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  1. Are you supposed to take additional choline with the Na-R-ALA/ALCAR/Agmatine "Stack"?
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  2. Quote Originally Posted by PuZo View Post
    Are you supposed to take additional choline with the Na-R-ALA/ALCAR/Agmatine "Stack"?
    No it is not necessary. It would be a nice addition though.
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by kbayne View Post
    For CM, you mean 10 grams right? That will be a nice homemade preworkout with all of that mixed together.
    Right 10 grams!

  4. Quote Originally Posted by bakerwil View Post

    Right 10 grams!
    Okay, good to know. Have you tried dosing CM lower? 6-9 grams is the clinical dose. 10 grams won't hurt any but you could get a longer run out of your CM.
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  5. Quote Originally Posted by kbayne View Post
    Just trying to give out great advice as I have seen you do numerous times
    We're just spreading the good stuff.

    Quote Originally Posted by PuZo View Post
    Are you supposed to take additional choline with the Na-R-ALA/ALCAR/Agmatine "Stack"?
    Quote Originally Posted by kbayne View Post
    No it is not necessary. It would be a nice addition though.
    Agreed. I always have Na-R-Ala, ALCAR, and citicoline on hand, so, by default, they get stacked together.
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  6. Quote Originally Posted by domore View Post

    Agreed. I always have Na-R-Ala, ALCAR, and citicoline on hand, so, by default, they get stacked together.
    It's a beautiful combo
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  7. Quote Originally Posted by kbayne View Post
    Okay, good to know. Have you tried dosing CM lower? 6-9 grams is the clinical dose. 10 grams won't hurt any but you could get a longer run out of your CM.
    I started at 6g, but noticed a substantial difference at 9g. I only use it a 3-5 times a week...so its not too bad on the budget!
    For choline, is Citrate the best bang for the buck? I see Bitartrate at the bulk stores, but not Citrate...what do you recommend?
    Thanks again for your help! I have learned allot reading your comments all over the place.....btw.

  8. Quote Originally Posted by bakerwil View Post
    I started at 6g, but noticed a substantial difference at 9g. I only use it a 3-5 times a week...so its not too bad on the budget!
    For choline, is Citrate the best bang for the buck? I see Bitartrate at the bulk stores, but not Citrate...what do you recommend?
    Thanks again for your help! I have learned allot reading your comments all over the place.....btw.
    If you want the "best bang for your buck," I would pick up some SNS choline citrate. If you have some extra money to spend, you could purchase CDP-Choline (many poster's personal favorite). CDP-Choline raises choline, uridine, and cytidine triphosphate levels. AND, the cytidine moiety also stimulates phosphatidylcholine synthesis, too.
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  9. Alright I just finished reading through this entire thread, tons of great info! I received my tub of PrimaForce ALCAR (powder) a couple of days ago and started with 2g (at 1g taken twice), but I think I might cut the dose by half because it did make me feel kind of lethargic/mildly anxious. It kind of made me feel foggy if that makes sense, being "out of it". Of course, this may be because I started taking 2g right off the bat.

    My question is: what signs would dictate whether you need a choline source if you're taking ALCAR? Do my above feelings mean that I should invest in a choline source like Alpha GPC? I also take Orange Triad (good antioxidant stuff in there), Hemavol (agmatine), Craze, and fish oil if that helps. Thanks!

  10. Sounds like you might need a little choline. You'll have to feel out how much, if any, is needed.

  11. Adding Choline would be a nice addition. You would have to try it out first to know how you react to the combo. But if it were me, I'd get some CDP-Choline and try it out.
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  12. Thank you for the replies! I will take 1g for the next few days and see if the side effects persist, and if I need to get choline I will. Anyone know where a good place to buy in Canada? There's nothing on bb.com and shipping on Nutraplanet is quite expensive.

  13. Coop, from your quote 'If you are using Na-R-Ala as a general antioxidant to run concurrently with ALCAR, a lower dose can suffice (~150mg).'
    From this, do you mean take Na-R-Ala 2-3 times a day at 150mg (and not with ALCAR) or would once suffice.
    Either way, I would prefer (out of convenience) to take Na-R-Ala once a day - would it work well enough like this?
    And, I am thinking of putting Na-R-ala with my one of my BCAA, Agmatine, Citrulline, Cissus, Alcar, Choline drinks (less the ALCAR when Na-R-Ala is used). Does this sound effective and convenient?

    Thanks always for your opinion...

  14. For those using Enhanced, ALCAR should go along very nicely with it.
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  15. I love ALCAR its going to be a staple supplement for me, taking 1.5g twice daily with 1.5g choline 2x daily, I'm definately sharper, short term memory is much higher, and my thinking feels more liquid. I find it preferable to piracetam I was taking. I just recently started getting back into supplements, bulk powders have really changed the game as far as being able to afford a lot of things at once..
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  16. I thought I would need choline because I had headaches during the first week, but turns out I just had a cold
    Headaches have completely disappeared and I am dosing 2g/day, 1g in the morning 1g at night. So far (2.5 weeks) I have noticed increased sharpness (feels like I can analyze things with a clear mind, sort of like Samus in the Metroid Prime series when she's using the visor scanning thing), and I've noticed some memorization enhancement but I'm not so sure yet. I literally learned the last two and a half weeks of my organic chem class in 3 hours and got 93% on my quiz - I wonder if ALCAR had anything to do with that or if it's simply a placebo.

    I'm definitely going to keep using it and it should only get better with time if I'm correct.

  17. I've been using ALCAR for years and have never cycled it. This is the first thread I've heard about cycling. I workout in the morning and have been taking 1500 mg of ALCAR. I don't take it with ALA often because I tend to battle hypoglycemic symptoms. It took me months to figure this out. I stopped the ALA and the symptoms went away.

    Great info on this thread. I'm finally through all 19 pages.

    1. What are the dangers of not cycling ALCAR. I've never taken a break in over 5 years. I still feel awake and energized with my regular 1500 mg dosage. I recently added choline citrate and tyrosine to the morning mix so that could that be covering a tolerance?
    2. What are the downsides of taking ALCAR without ALA?
    3. Is there a substitute I could use if I cycle off? I've read DMAE on other boards. If do use DMAE, I'd cut the choline citrate correct?

  18. Anyone know if females need to dose this any differently from males? A friend is interested.

  19. I'm a female and dose at 1500mg in the morning. I don't seem to need more that that for the whole day. I've never read anything online about females dosing differently than males.

  20. Great info in this thread.

    After reading all 19 pages in summary stack to use daily would be the following:

    dosing once in the morning and once mid day OR 30min before workout as a single dose

    - 150mg Na-R-Ala around 30min before ALCAR,
    - 1-2g ALCAR but those with potential balding go with lower dose cause it can cause hair loss or shedding,
    - choline source either 2g of choline citrate or 500mg of CDP Choline (preferred choice) or Alpha GPC

    Did I get the basic info in this thread or correct me if not?

  21. Anyone getting vivid nightmares regularly that wake you up in the middle of the night? This only happened when I upped the dose from 1.5g daily to 2g.

  22. Quote Originally Posted by Hyperfluxe View Post
    Anyone getting vivid nightmares regularly that wake you up in the middle of the night? This only happened when I upped the dose from 1.5g daily to 2g.
    No.
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  23. Quote Originally Posted by ahh123 View Post
    Great info in this thread.

    After reading all 19 pages in summary stack to use daily would be the following:

    dosing once in the morning and once mid day OR 30min before workout as a single dose

    - 150mg Na-R-Ala around 30min before ALCAR,
    - 1-2g ALCAR but those with potential balding go with lower dose cause it can cause hair loss or shedding,
    - choline source either 2g of choline citrate or 500mg of CDP Choline (preferred choice) or Alpha GPC

    Did I get the basic info in this thread or correct me if not?
    If the Na-R-Ala or ALCAR is capped, you can dose together.

  24. Quote Originally Posted by ahh123 View Post
    Great info in this thread.

    After reading all 19 pages in summary stack to use daily would be the following:

    dosing once in the morning and once mid day OR 30min before workout as a single dose

    - 150mg Na-R-Ala around 30min before ALCAR,
    - 1-2g ALCAR but those with potential balding go with lower dose cause it can cause hair loss or shedding,
    - choline source either 2g of choline citrate or 500mg of CDP Choline (preferred choice) or Alpha GPC

    Did I get the basic info in this thread or correct me if not?
    Very nice summary, and yep, as kbayne said, you're fine dosing the Na-RLA and ALCAR together as long as you don't combine two bulk powders in water or something

  25. I just added in phenyl piracetam and I am completely blown away by this stuff. As I've posting many times in the past, Aniracetam is the most amazing noot available, IMO, and really changed my life. Phenyl piracetam could be a very close second in a completely different way. The heightened state of awareness and non stimulating energy is unlike anything I have ever experienced. I find my self doing things I would normally put off and not even really realizing I am completing it, until I stop and realize I have just had productivity in the last hour that would usually take 2-3. One thing that caught me slightly off guard was the increased visual sense. About an hour after taking it, it almost feels like a very mild hallucinogen in that things are so crisp and outlined that it almost appears animated. I was walking the dog just smiling because everything was so vivid and bright. Definitely a very interesting side.
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