question on Bulbine Natalensis
- 02-02-2011, 04:43 PM
question on Bulbine Natalensis
If rlssupplements is the first to bring it to the market and I have listened to the super human radio that it is from Africa and only Africa where is APS getting there Bulbine Natalensis from and what would be the difference on the two raw ingredients. I am totally confused since APS also claims they were the 1st but it is sorta mis leading because they are the 1st with a certain extraction which could make there claim true. Any help please.
- 02-02-2011, 05:50 PM
- 02-02-2011, 07:06 PM
Is the Aps brand the same raw as rls supplements?
02-02-2011, 10:30 PM
APS is the extracted version of the root i believe, like what is used in the study. The others I have seen are whole plant. It all comes from South Africa, the only place the plant can be grown regularly.
02-02-2011, 11:00 PM
02-02-2011, 11:23 PM
More information on the history at this link. Too much is a bad thing and the right ratio will make or break your success with this product.
www .anthonyroberts.info/2010/bulbine-natalensis-testosterone (.com)
I can't post the link right due to being a noob
What? No REP POINTS?
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02-03-2011, 12:39 AM
Basically if it isn't ProLensis there is no reason to take it. ProLensis is what was used in the Yakuba studies. A true 100:1 extract would be damn near impossible to dose correctly.
02-03-2011, 01:00 AM
If you listen to the super human radio episode where they went into detail about it they said that the extract was grown but wasn't in huge quantity. That reason being is why I'm so skeptical about companies popping up everywhere saying they have "prolensis" when theres not alot around in the first place.
Thats just my opinions but who knows, time will tell.
02-03-2011, 06:11 PM
Exactly. That is why even though APS is a good company imo I am worried too. Can someone chime in from APS.
02-03-2011, 06:19 PM
02-03-2011, 06:34 PM
OP got butt hurt on the promo? Calling out APS now? Didn't get enough gains from the last APS log?
I don't see what's so difficult to understand, bulbine comes from Africa. There are different extracts, ProLensis, the one APS is using, and probably some others.
Pink Magic had "rare herbs" from a "once a year harvest" but there were still copy cats out soon after. Not too difficult to see there are more raws available, no one said they (or is big enough to) bought up all the raws.
Why so concerned with APS' credibility now? You wanted to log it after all...
02-03-2011, 06:47 PM
I have yet to have a bad experience with any APS product and that says a lot. They are among a handful (maybe 3) that I would take a leap of faith with, with respect to ordering a product that's new to the marketplace. And I wouldn't do that with 99.9% of all supplement companies out there, including one that posted in here. =)
02-03-2011, 10:06 PM
results will tell the story!!!
02-03-2011, 11:39 PM
02-04-2011, 10:00 AM
02-04-2011, 10:13 AM
02-04-2011, 10:50 AM
02-04-2011, 10:55 AM
Was not aware he had disproved the effectiveness of standardized extracts in Bulbine...
Until that study is provided or negative bloods come from the APS bulbine, nothing is for certain. Every year a new product gets brought to the market and every year there is a study that shows that something is ineffective, that was once thought to be the standard...
Just saying don't rush to judge guys.
02-04-2011, 12:51 PM
Also remember in the shr they talked about trying more and had a down play on test so why would more be better? I mean they using the clinically studied raw. If it is better cool but I would like to see blood work or my blood work.
02-04-2011, 01:08 PM
02-04-2011, 01:22 PM
02-04-2011, 01:27 PM
As some of you may or may not know I write for a South African BBing magazine (the same one that AR writes for) and Im the official supp guru for Super Human Radio. What this means is that I have A LOT of connections in SA already and was able to email the researchers who did the Bulbine study right away and start sourcing the raw material.
We got samples pretty quickly and did our own blood work, which is the ONLY blood work done on Bulbine alone, in humans. The dosing we provide for ProLensis is based on our blood work results for our extract only. There is a definite dosing curve which AR talks about in his various blog posts. More is definitely not better. Actually its probably better to be a little on the low side then the high side.
After we confirmed the testing results we purchased ALL of the raw material available in early 2010. And by all I mean our supplier literally put workers in the fields and told them not to come out till they had gotten it all. By the time we got to June in 2010 we had decided that in order to keep a consistent supply we were going to go into business with our supplier and start share cropping with them in order to keep up with what we expected our needs were going to be. We didnt get more then 5kgs of finished ProLensis till Sept of 2010. It took that long from the day we got in touch with them to get enough material that we could cap up more then a few hundred caps at a time. IForce and RLS were the first ones to get ProLensis and between the two of them, they bought ALL the material we had for all of 2010.
You see with SA being in the southern hemisphere their seasons are different then ours and for their summer vacation they basically show up to work once a week for a couple hours. If you didnt get the material before they went on vaca you werent going to get any till their summer vaca was over (which was last week).
Now right before they left on vacation our total amount of raw material was over 1 ton. It was everything we could get at that point. No one else had any. I had tried contacting other suppliers hoping to get even more and they had none. You see Bulbine Natalensis (there are other Bulbine plants but the key is it being Natalensis) seems to grow in a specific region where there is enough moisture for these types of plants to grow. As you go more north and inland in Africa it doesnt grow. Anyway we had all that we could get and we had already sold all of it for 2010. they have just come back from vaca and we have just had a large portion of our 1+ton being crated up to be shipped over.
Im not saying that we have absolutely all of it and that no one can grow anymore but for 2010 (which would lead me to think that for at least the first few months of 2011) we had all we could get and we had the money to buy twice as much as we did. I would assume if there was some out there that those people would have wanted to sell it and we were buying.
Ive already gotten 2 price lists from China offering the material, got those samples and it did not match our material. In total we have tested about 6 different samples and none were the same as ours.
No one can use the ProLensis trademark without purchasing the raw through our company.
02-04-2011, 02:43 PM
02-04-2011, 02:47 PM
02-04-2011, 03:00 PM
02-04-2011, 03:20 PM
Is there a board sponser that carries legit bulbine natelieus or whatever?
02-04-2011, 03:24 PM
02-04-2011, 03:35 PM
Keep in mind that when you use a product with ProLensis in it, you know ahead of time that the extract in that product works. Instead of having to try it out first for other companies.
The ProLensis trademark is owned by Sports Nutrition Research.
02-04-2011, 03:44 PM
I may have missed something. If you are involved with ProLensis and it is effective, why don't DS have a bulbine natalensis product out?
02-04-2011, 03:49 PM
The results are that there is no such trademark. Shoot, I can go register the trademark now and sue everyone using it.
I tried finding Sports Nutrition Research as well and there are no filings for a Form D as well for this, so not incorporated, LLCed, or anything. I even used LexisNexus to find any filings for such a company and am coming up empty.
So while I believe your bulbine probably works, I believe the whole ProLensis racket was started to discredit other companies like this thread is sporting.
The Historic PES Legend
02-04-2011, 03:56 PM
02-04-2011, 04:14 PM
02-04-2011, 04:20 PM
APS claims there is research on their extract, and I believe them, unfortunately it is not published or even available to the public....so until then its a pretty easy decision for me...
02-04-2011, 04:25 PM
02-04-2011, 04:28 PM
20g of whole ROOT (not plant) yields 5g of extract in the study. Its all in there word for word. Then the EXTRACT is what the study is on.
Im not choosing sides...because hell the other product hasn't even been released. I am just stating the facts on the study
02-04-2011, 04:31 PM
02-04-2011, 04:35 PM
Like I said, the whole Bulbine thing sounds like a racket to me, and to discount another's extract because it doesn't have an untrademarked trademark is incessant. Let the products play out and then see which is better or right. I am 100% positive we will see blood work on all these products from unsponsored people.
The Historic PES Legend
02-04-2011, 04:35 PM
I dont think anyone has sold extract from the root only like the study uses. But I could be wrong. I dont know what ProLensis is either.
But the study is done on an extract from the root only.
02-04-2011, 04:36 PM
I am sure I am missing something because it seems the obvious thing to do. Just hoping someone can enlighten me to satisfy my curiosity.
02-04-2011, 04:37 PM
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