I'm not sure if your suggesting APS took "your" bulbine and fadogia idea, but that is not the case. Also I find it hard to believe AR goes on SHR and promotes prolensis for free.
I really can't argue on which bulbine is better, Testalensis 100 isn't even released yet, so time will tell.
I have nothing but respect for NTBM and RLS, they are great companies and really care about there customers, I wish them the best of luck.
Thank you for the nod of respect my friend. I was starting to get a bit worried there. Lots of comments tossed around by your self and the other APS guy in this thread had me thinking you were thumbing the nose at me at the least.
For a bit there you guys were "lumping" me in with a lot of generalized statements of "all the other companies" and things like this.
And Like I had said before I did not know much about you guys till just recently although what I have heard has been good reports. I would hope you guys can extend respect to me as I can promise you on my end I will do the same. No my friend I was not suggesting APS took my Idea. but between you and me there is like 3-4 other companies I have heard of that got this kind of product in the works. I heard about all of these guys weeks ago before you announced your product. So APS and ruthless/ntbm wont be the only places in the running for this kind of product..
As you have seen there is more then a few companies out there now claiming they were " the first" to have bulbine and a bunch of companies jumping on the band wagon. Maybe the Idea is Original to you and you did not grab the Idea from me but I am betting at least one of the other companies did lol..
My friend I hope your product is a knock out and I hope a lot of people enjoy it. At the same time Ruthless.inc puts out a great product in phytoserm-347. A product many have used and many have liked. As the man who gets all the feed back more then anyone else, and a guy who trully cares about the people I cant say with great confidence that we have a great product and a product that anyone who gives a shot will ether love or be given a refund. We treat people right and we stand behind everything we make with a unwavering foundation.
Now that I know a little bit more about you guys I am starting to build a much higher level of respect for you as well. I see you guys pride your self on "not following the crowed" so you have commented on or the other APS dude did in another post.
I have noticed a good number of negative comments tossed in Anthony Roberts direction from you guys though and I have to wounder about some of the comments made and why they were made??
" I don't trust AR either. He doesn't have a very good track record...
Now was this comment made out of personal experience with the man or of
just what you have heard? On the one hand you are comming out with a new product that includes two ingredients that AR was on the forefront of and it is well known that AR pioneered Fadoga before anyone else. Now although you may be using a different extract or different plant from a different part of the continent altogether its still at the very heart bulbine.
Now I am holding in my hands the rough draft copy of the first Article ever put out about bulbine in this entire industry. This Article was written by AR and I have the original unedited rough draft poast dated months before it was published.
AR has a bad track record of what? I know it is easy to go with the crowed at times when the crowed on different sites dislike the man but for me. I judge a man by what my experience with that man is. Not what the crowed is saying nor any gibberish I have heard here and there.
What I know of him is ya he can be a As$ Hole and ya he has been a jerk to some or gone above what I would do in the way of being a prick. Has prob taken it a lot feather then I ever would in this regard. I know the man has had his far share of mistakes, bad calls, and wrong choices over the years too. I know he has had some relationships both business and personal go bad as have we all.
I also know he's a "reporter" and even I, me, My self have been on the receiving end of things he has reported on. My home and site which I love more then any other EF has been on the receiving end of his reports as well.
SO I know he does his job as the reporter he wants to be without playing favorites to anyone and with what he knows for himself to be the facts. As any reporter should. Has he gained a lot of enemies because of this? Well as you can see yes. But as for his "track record" My self as well as many others have read a lot of what he has written and I have to ask What exactly is your experience with his "track record"? Or was this simple jumping on an opportunity to ride the crowed favored opinion?
No reason to take it ? lol You know just as much about bulbine as AR dose.
Another comment tossed in Ar's direction? A comment suggesting AR one of the first to start talking about, independently studying,helping to bring to market, working with different people on all levels knows nothing? WHY??
I mite be mistaken but as of todays date I do not beleive I have seen him make any open comments in your direction although I would not blame him if he did now.
I'm guessing you ment to say he doesn't work for the company, but to say AR isn't on the Prolensis Payrol is BS.
I think it mite be do to this statement right here you are making all the comments that you are making? Again I could be wrong. Let me put the facts out there though..... AR Makes nothing off the sale of my product I know because I ain't cutting him no pay checks for it.
And accusing him of making something off prolensis solely off the facts that he talks about it on his blog or Because he went on Super human Radio to talk about it is wrong. I wil say that its not a bad observation. I will say that ya perception is there and its not like making a comment like this is waaaaay out there. But I will say that you a person/APS company should not make comments like this.
Stating things as facts When the truth is you do not know this to be a fact do you? You know it merely from making a observation of what you see.
Just because you perceive it to be does not make it fact my friend and claiming it as such in the end may give you a "bad track record".
To my knowledge Ar Makes no money from the sale of my product nor the sale of prolensis.
By the same standard and Observations you use to accuse Ar you should then be accusing many others along with him.
Carl Linor Of SHR has spoken of the herb and the prolensis extract often. Is he also Making money of the extracts? He has had 3 shows and counting on this subject and countless blogs and face book post?
What about Rob the owner of ironmagazineforums? By your same standards of observations you should be accusing him also. He has made countless threads on his forums
http://www.ironmagazineforums.com/supplements/112318-bulbine-natalensis-independent-hormone-tests.html like this and others.
and here
http://www.ironmagazineforums.com/supplements/111735-bulbine-natalensis-displays-anabolic-androgenic-characteristics.html
and he has made mention of it in many different places in on his face book.
and blog posted about it here
http://www.ironmagazine.com/blog/2010/bulbine-natalensis-outperforms-viagra/
So he must have monetary ties to the prolensis too?
Anyway I guess because I defend the guy like I have you could use that as another excuse to say he must have money involved But if you respect me like you say you do then you will respect the fact that I am telling you you are wrong in your thinking and wrong to try and state what you have as a fact. I also think you should not be so attacking towards people that you ( to my knowledge) don't have a lot of personal experience with.
Thank you for the good words and I do also respect you my friend and I hope the best for you. You wont see me being a jerk for no reason and good luck with the new product. Thank you
