Long Jack / Tongkat Ali
- 06-29-2004, 11:58 AM
Long Jack / Tongkat Ali
I’m been using 400mg of Tongkat Ali for 1 week and it feels like I’m on 4-AD. I’m in a better mood, very horny and more aggressive. I’m not sure if it has any test boosting effects but it sure feels like it. It might be like trib but who knows I’ll keep you guys informed if has any muscle boosting effect. Has anyone ever used Tongkat Ali?
- 06-29-2004, 12:34 PM
I've had pretty good results in the past from BAC's, using 1 of their scoops a day. I've noticed an increase in libido, as well as blood flow to the member in a non-excited state (i.e. flaccid weiner is larger than normal !) I don't know if it's had an effect on test levels honestly, as the only other side I've had is a slight increase in acne.
06-29-2004, 10:35 PM
It does increase acne, similar to HCG acne so it makes me think it's working. But, no 'visible' evidence to go with it (too bad Clomid sucks so hard). I've used the raw powder and the LJ100 extract both. Be careful because when I tried stepping up the doses after a few weeks, I started to get some gyno. The last time I had to abort therapy, it took an anti-prolactin to kill the puffys, so some weird pituitary stuff was going on no doubt.
07-27-2004, 10:34 PM
I used it and liked its effects,better than Benzos,much better.I don´t think it did any physical changes to me.
07-28-2004, 06:06 PM
if its giving you acne and gyno then there has to be an increse in test!!!
is it superior to tribulus i notice limited effects at 5-6 grams trib ed
07-28-2004, 06:26 PM
Or it may be increasing aromatase activity which could give a temporary increase in libido and symptoms of gyno. No telling without extensive testing.
07-28-2004, 06:43 PM
It was def prolactin related, because the issues did not resolve w/ Tam but did w/ Permax. Fenugreek is still my personal fav as far as natural test boosters w/ no sides.
07-31-2004, 10:25 PM
07-31-2004, 10:44 PM
I had heard that it could be useful for this, but it is primarily used to improve diabetic conditions. It contains the same type saponins as tribulus, but it's more than that, cause it works much better. I use the NOW brand. Tribulus does work, but the effect is weak and unreliable at best. Fenugreek is truly more effective. For example, when I just do 2 wk cycles, it's all I use for PCT. I don't like or trust SERMs and save them for hard shutdowns only. Try it, it's cheap and healthy. Volume returns quickly. Directions are 2caps TID, but I just take 4 or 5 at night only.Originally Posted by jmh80
08-01-2004, 02:54 AM
Interesting. I respond really well to tribulus and horny goat weed. Maybe I'll throw some fenugreek in there and give my wife some greif
08-01-2004, 10:24 AM
Try it BIO, if you like Tribulus, you'll like Fenugreek too. It's stronger and cheaper. I just don't want your wife calling me up and blaming me for all that greif, I'll deny everything I told you! (LOL) What brand HGW do you use? I like Macca too.Originally Posted by bioman
08-01-2004, 02:26 PM
The bottle I have is from Natural Balance, standardized to 10% icariins. Saw it on sale here so I'm trialing it..normally I order from BAC. Was going to try BAC's ultra high potentcy trib at some point and Maca.
08-01-2004, 11:01 PM
FUZU by Syntrax has fenugreek in it, I should get some tongkat ali to stack with it, seeing as though I have a few bottles of the original Fuzu waiting for me to use 'em..
08-02-2004, 07:31 AM
I have used horny goat weed from Holland & Barrat (UK) had some maca in there also, not sure which ingrediant was working but definite improvement in labido, fenugreek sounds interesting though, can anybody post a link for more info on this and a good place to purchase?
08-02-2004, 07:41 PM
The maca def. improves libido stacked w/ LJ100. They are synergistic no doubt. I don't have a link but if you want to research it, the fenugreek seed contains the alkaloid trigonelline and probably more importantly, the steroidal saponin diosgenin.Originally Posted by 200wannabe
08-03-2004, 04:12 PM
wow 1fast has 100 cap bottles for 4 bucks..and u recommend 4-5 at night? very nice might have to try this
08-03-2004, 06:37 PM
My Bad! I use Nature's Way brand. It's 610mg/cap and goes for 11$/180count bottle. So the 1fast price is pretty good. I think I'll try the NOW brand too. It's whole seed, so I don't see that potency would vary much from brand to brand. Specificly, I take 3 the first week, then 4 the second, etc... I just add a pill every week till I get to 5 or 6. It seem to work best this way and needs to be cycled. You shouldn't just stay on it cause it feels like the effect weakens after 4-6 weeks.Originally Posted by wojo
08-03-2004, 06:50 PM
well i got 2 bottles of that and a bottle of rhodiala rosea(sp?) (this is a great supp for post cycle..kills anxiety)
08-03-2004, 07:05 PM
How much of the RR does it take to be effective? I'm about to place an order too, and was thinking about trying that one.Originally Posted by wojo
08-04-2004, 12:40 AM
Pretty tiny amounts..less than 100mg I can feel right away. I buy the pure powder from BAC. Don't know about anxiety but it does perk me up and help me think more clearly. Good stuff.
08-04-2004, 01:15 AM
08-04-2004, 08:01 AM
yup..if u got the powder its good and the NOW brand never disappoints..personally i tkae 500 mgs 2x a day.i suffer from anxiety brought on by to car wrecks..sux but i found this to be very helpful
08-04-2004, 01:57 PM
Just a little note of caution. BE mindful of coming off rhodiola as well as its masking of other problems. I was using a pretty moderate dose last summer and then abruptly stopped right as I was finishing PCT. IT probably wasnt from the RHo, but I had some undiagnosed/hidden mild depression coupled with anxiety over an upcoming long trip oversees that knocked me flat on my ass.
cortisol levels sky high, test bottomed out, est high>>>pretty much the whole endocrine system went caput resulting in two weeks of hell. And I had done for solid weeks of PCT after only a 4-5 week cycle.
08-04-2004, 02:27 PM
08-09-2004, 07:02 PM
the long jack in 1fast400 is not very effective , it is only 1:1 extract , the effects are nothing to the 1:50 to ( 1:200 )extracts which sells for $160
you need 200 grams of 1:1 extract to get the active ingredients of 1:200 extract
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