Ok so I have a question about a supplement dosage but to find the answer to my question I have to know this. Is it true that when insulin goes up GH release goes down? and the same thing other way around? or am I completely fukking wrong?!
Okay I may have posted a confusing post earlier. GH causes the release of insulin precursors. Insulin activates the negative feedback loop for insulin, which in turn decreases GH production.On another forum i believe but i dont trust anywhere else but AM So if spike your insulin you increase your GH release? For example if one takes an insulin mimicker Pre-workout cause of a carbed intra workout your body releases more GH. I've also heard after workout your insulin spikes so after workout your body releases more GH for better recovery, is that correct?
Well ain't that a bitch! So if I have carbs in my intra-workout it's a better idea to take IGH-1 or GH, like AP, rather than insulin mimicker like Recompadrol.Okay I may have posted a confusing post earlier. GH causes the release of insulin precursors. Insulin activates the negative feedback loop for insulin, which in turn decreases GH production.
SO, GH will increase insulin but insulin will decrease GH (in a rather simplified model).
Yeah the body is a really tricky chemistry set. Almost everything is linked to what is called a negative feedback loop, which is necessary to maintain homeostasis. In your case,Well ain't that a bitch! So if I have carbs in my intra-workout it's a better idea to take IGH-1 or GH, like AP, rather than insulin mimicker like Recompadrol.
This is sort of not true.I beleive the production of gh and its effects are blunted in the presence of insulin. I know when you shoot gh, a big no no is carbs and insulin within 20 minutes of the injection or it is essentially pointless.
Im too tired to respond to this but its like basically all in reverse... GH causes Hyperglycemia by causing insulin resistance.A low carb environment is conducive for optimal GH levels. Conversely, a high carb (insulin release) antagonizes GH release.
However, the relationship described above is based on macro intake and not direct drug use.
Elevated insulin levels (via insulin administration) will adversely impact GH levels. HGH use/injections will cause optimal insulin GROWTH FACTORS like IGF,etc (which are different from Insulin).
GH causes hypoglycemia in many which would support the argument that it lowers insulin sensitivity. If you blood sugar drops, so does your insullin as therre si no "need" for insulin (body will up the glucagon hormone instead; insulin's opposite).
I don't see how what I said is wrong. I pretty much said the exact same stuff you said that is correct. No carbs before gh, no insulin before. Our views are different on when slin/carbs are good post a gh injection.This is sort of not true.
In order for GH to be anabolic you NEED to inject insulin after the GH. GH is not anabolic without insulin and it also increases blood sugar on its own if taken with carbs so clearly it does something to blunt the function of endo produced GH.
Carbs before is bad and carbs after is bad without insulin but then again GH without insulin is not for growth... For fat loss, no carbs before or after
Beleive it or not, and I truly didn't know this, it can cause hypo. I know it causes hyper, my sugar sky rockets from 10iu about 20 mins latter.. but someone on an AAS board showed many studies that it actually causes hypo in some at lower dosages.Im too tired to respond to this but its like basically all in reverse... GH causes Hyperglycemia by causing insulin resistance.
when r u planning on taking either GH or AP? R u talking abiut real GH or just a natty booster. Also, if u mean Anabolic pump by AP, then u must know it's a nutrient repartitioner, not really a GH booster.Well ain't that a bitch! So if I have carbs in my intra-workout it's a better idea to take IGH-1 or GH, like AP, rather than insulin mimicker like Recompadrol.
This is the major case if ur shooting, but in case of natty GH boosters it's like the other guy said. Natty GH booster will infact cause hypoglycemia in MOST cases. Hypoglycemia will also cause a bigger surge of GH. Doctor D. himself said that 1 cheap way of increasing GH is to take EAA supps w/o carbs b4 bed. No carbs means lower blood sugar>lower insulin>GH spike in return. That's why natty GH boosters call for dosing w/o carbs or on empty stomach in another words. Good example is HGH Pro and HGH Up. Oh and ur rite about GH injections on their own. This way is more for fat burning, recovery and better sleep. Same thing for natty GH boosters. I haven't seen any GH boosters get anyone huge. Most people can get a few lbs of lean muscle, but nothing overboard. Oh and I've seen studies to support those GH-hypogycemia studies too. I can't remember where, but I'm sure you can find them if you research careully.Im too tired to respond to this but its like basically all in reverse... GH causes Hyperglycemia by causing insulin resistance.
Natty GH and I was using AP(anabolic pump) as an example. I was going to add carbs to my intra workout so I was thinking of taking RCD before hitting the gym. But now I wouldn't do that. But I wonder how much would taking natty GH booster help if I do take it pre-workout.when r u planning on taking either GH or AP? R u talking abiut real GH or just a natty booster. Also, if u mean Anabolic pump by AP, then u must know it's a nutrient repartitioner, not really a GH booster.
Natty gh imo wont do anything to your blood sugar levels, I dont think you need AP with it, the same way you need insulin with exogenous gh.Natty GH and I was using AP(anabolic pump) as an example. I was going to add carbs to my intra workout so I was thinking of taking RCD before hitting the gym. But now I wouldn't do that. But I wonder how much would taking natty GH booster help if I do take it pre-workout.
Drop any nutrient repartitioner and make sure ur pwo meal is like 2 hrs b4 workout. Then by the time u take pre GH booster ur blood sugar should be slightly lower than normal or at that level, since most food should be digested by now. This most likely will cause ur GH booster to put u in a mild hypoglycemic state and make ur body release more of it. This is just what I said in prvious post.Natty GH and I was using AP(anabolic pump) as an example. I was going to add carbs to my intra workout so I was thinking of taking RCD before hitting the gym. But now I wouldn't do that. But I wonder how much would taking natty GH booster help if I do take it pre-workout.
One of these days I'm going to plan out a stack with the following:Natty GH and I was using AP(anabolic pump) as an example. I was going to add carbs to my intra workout so I was thinking of taking RCD before hitting the gym. But now I wouldn't do that. But I wonder how much would taking natty GH booster help if I do take it pre-workout.
I think Synthroid is what causes that distended stomach appearance on some bodybuilders; GH and insulin inections can both do it as well, based on some things I have read.Doesn't actual injection of GH make your ntestine grow? Like isn't that the reason bodybuilders stomach is outward even at 2% BF?
I think Synthroid is what causes that distended stomach appearance on some bodybuilders; GH and insulin inections can both do it as well, based on some things I have read.
BACK THAT UP!!!I think Synthroid is what causes that distended stomach appearance on some bodybuilders; GH and insulin inections can both do it as well, based on some things I have read.
Thanks bro! You read a lot don't you? Cause your probably the only guy in this forum that backs everything up with a research paper before people ask for it :bigok:I`m sure this help you a lot
Insulin, growth hormone and sport
http://joe.endocrinology-journals.org/cgi/reprint/170/1/13.pdf
Plasma insulin, growth hormone, and blood sugar during exercise in man
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/6754602
Insulin Mechanism of Actions
http://anabolicminds.com/forum/supplement-articles/161331-insulins-mechanism-action.html
Human Growth Hormone (HGH)
http://www.futurescience.com/hgh.html
So wait you feel like your gut is growing? Sorry it's late and I can't understand anything.BACK THAT UP!!!
I started synthroid 100mcg for gh induced deficiency verified by blood work, and i swear my gut has felt swollen ever since 2 months in.. very interested on this!!
I don't know if its growing, but it feels like swollen.Thanks bro! You read a lot don't you? Cause your probably the only guy in this forum that backs everything up with a research paper before people ask for it :bigok:
So wait you feel like your gut is growing? Sorry it's late and I can't understand anything.
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