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    Ive tried Bodyoctane and Clout stack and loved it but way too pricey. Ive tried various different caffeine free versions of some popular PWO's. What are some of the best one's I know Ultima's a good option but no way am i paying $50 for 40 possibly only 20 servings if a single scoop doesnt suffice. Ill have to wait for it to be on sale for $40 or something to even try that one. So any other good options out there?

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    Why not make your own? We have Pre-Max which is an amazing product and i enjoy using it and its got clinicaly dosed GPLC along with a myriad of other good things..

    My suggestion is just make a cheap pre workout of your own. GPLC, creatine, BA,and some aminos.
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    I have looked at pre max pretty pricey but great profile! I was thinking of making my own and its still an option. Am just curious as to what else is out there thats stim free.
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    NO Bomb is stim free as well as the other version of xpand caffeine free version.
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    Quote Originally Posted by reecew View Post
    Ive tried Bodyoctane and Clout stack and loved it but way too pricey. Ive tried various different caffeine free versions of some popular PWO's. What are some of the best one's I know Ultima's a good option but no way am i paying $50 for 40 possibly only 20 servings if a single scoop doesnt suffice. Ill have to wait for it to be on sale for $40 or something to even try that one. So any other good options out there?
    It really depends on what you want out of your preworkout product - energy, endurance, strength, aggression, etc.

    PRE MAX is stim free. So is Drive. You can also use Growth Hormone and/or Testosterone boosters pre-training. Or create your own preworkout stacks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by naturalgainer View Post
    NO Bomb is stim free as well as the other version of xpand caffeine free version.
    Ive done the Xpand caffeine free before not that big of a fan of it. Thanks for the suggestions man ill look into NO Bomb, its got GPLC as well doesnt it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rosie Chee Scott View Post
    It really depends on what you want out of your preworkout product - energy, endurance, strength, aggression, etc.

    PRE MAX is stim free. So is Drive. You can also use Growth Hormone and/or Testosterone boosters pre-training. Or create your own preworkout stacks.

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    Mainly endurance, strength, and pump. I have high natural energy and agression in the gym as is. ASGT was the first stim PWO i actually enjoyed. Now im using Presurge Unleashed and i like it as well but with it unlike ASGT i have seen no added benefit to the stims. I dont take in caffeine regularly anyways only form is in the PWO's i have been using recently. So im wanting to go back stim free and maybe creating my own would be the thing to do.

    I know i may need more than this but this is what i have in mind:

    Creatine
    Beta Alanine
    Citrulline Malate
    GPLC
    Arginine... maybe...?
    Any other suggestions? maybe some carbs?
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    Quote Originally Posted by reecew View Post
    Mainly endurance, strength, and pump. I have high natural energy and agression in the gym as is. ASGT was the first stim PWO i actually enjoyed. Now im using Presurge Unleashed and i like it as well but with it unlike ASGT i have seen no added benefit to the stims. I dont take in caffeine regularly anyways only form is in the PWO's i have been using recently. So im wanting to go back stim free and maybe creating my own would be the thing to do.

    I know i may need more than this but this is what i have in mind:

    Creatine
    Beta Alanine
    Citrulline Malate
    GPLC
    Arginine... maybe...?
    Any other suggestions? maybe some carbs?
    Mine is:

    Beta Alanine
    MAP
    ArginoCarn
    GPLC
    Creapure

    and a bowl of oatmeal
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    Quote Originally Posted by HereToStudy View Post
    Mine is:

    Beta Alanine
    MAP
    ArginoCarn
    GPLC
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    and a bowl of oatmeal
    Im with you on the bowl of oatmeal! Whats the best source for MAP which is aminos right?
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    Quote Originally Posted by reecew View Post
    Im with you on the bowl of oatmeal! Whats the best source for MAP which is aminos right?
    No the MAP is Maximum Absorbed Protein, from Primordial, and is a pepto pro product. most prefer PeptoPro during/post workout, but I enjoy it pre as well.

    But you bring up a good point, I also have 5g BCAA in that preWO. I use bulk powder for this. You can get BCAAs anywhere, but the Primordial is good stuff (uses only Ajinomoto Ajipure BCAAs).
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    bulk beta alanine, kre-alkalyn or mono creatine
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    oatmeal is sooo acidic, back when i still ate grains id get the worst heartburn from oats. felt like i just ate cheese fries. some fruit and red potatoes does the trick for me now, without a big jump in PH levels
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    Quote Originally Posted by AntonG42O View Post
    oatmeal is sooo acidic, back when i still ate grains id get the worst heartburn from oats. felt like i just ate cheese fries. some fruit and red potatoes does the trick for me now, without a big jump in PH levels
    Since our last discussion, I have been moving towards fruits and vegetables as a fuel source, but I still enjoy Oatmeal on occasion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HereToStudy View Post
    Since our last discussion, I have been moving towards fruits and vegetables as a fuel source, but I still enjoy Oatmeal on occasion.
    I like to go carb-free for a few hours prior to training.
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    Quote Originally Posted by reecew View Post
    Mainly endurance, strength, and pump. I have high natural energy and agression in the gym as is. ASGT was the first stim PWO i actually enjoyed. Now im using Presurge Unleashed and i like it as well but with it unlike ASGT i have seen no added benefit to the stims. I dont take in caffeine regularly anyways only form is in the PWO's i have been using recently. So im wanting to go back stim free and maybe creating my own would be the thing to do.

    I know i may need more than this but this is what i have in mind:

    Creatine
    Beta Alanine
    Citrulline Malate
    GPLC
    Arginine... maybe...?
    Any other suggestions? maybe some carbs?
    I would go with something simple, like creatine, GPLC, and maybe Norvaline (to complement the GPLC and make it more effective).

    If you use a creatine product that also acts as nutrient repartitioner - like NeoVar Recomped - then you can have some carbohydrates ~15 minutes after dosing (i.e. dose ~60 min pre-training and eat ~30 minutes before you train) and that will work as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rodja View Post
    I like to go carb-free for a few hours prior to training.
    Now admitably, I am no where near perfect on nutrition theory, but don't you feel a lag when remaining carb free preWO? Maybe its placebo, but I feel drained at the gym with no carbs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HereToStudy View Post
    Now admitably, I am no where near perfect on nutrition theory, but don't you feel a lag when remaining carb free preWO? Maybe its placebo, but I feel drained at the gym with no carbs.
    By the time I train, I have consumed somewhere around 140-170g of carbs with ample protein and fat. Plus, GPLC, ArginoCarn, and BCAA really help.
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    Quote Originally Posted by reecew View Post
    Ive tried Bodyoctane and Clout stack and loved it but way too pricey. Ive tried various different caffeine free versions of some popular PWO's. What are some of the best one's I know Ultima's a good option but no way am i paying $50 for 40 possibly only 20 servings if a single scoop doesnt suffice. Ill have to wait for it to be on sale for $40 or something to even try that one. So any other good options out there?

    well there is always pre-max althought the price may be high for ya, if it were me id go with a lil ****tail

    GPLC
    Creapure creatine
    beta alanine
    peptopro or BCAA personaly i use Maximum absorbed protein

    that should offer you great muscle volumization thorught the creatine, increased nitric oxide production and vascularity from the GPLC, increased musclular endurance from the beta alanine and anti catabolic effect,

    i may consider some taurine in there as well
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    Quote Originally Posted by HereToStudy View Post
    Now admitably, I am no where near perfect on nutrition theory, but don't you feel a lag when remaining carb free preWO? Maybe its placebo, but I feel drained at the gym with no carbs.
    I know you directed this at Ryan, John, but I train first thing on an empty stomach (granted, before I went to bed I've usually just had a meal with ~400g of carbohydrates in, which means my glycogen stores should be high, although that's usually at least 12 hours before I train) and I've never felt any different doing this than training later in the day after consuming several meals, and in fact, PREFER it.

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    Most likely placebo then, ill give cutting out pre-WO carbs a try and see what I think.
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    if you don't mind the taste of tomatoes as your preworkout then Premax is your drink.

    I know some retailers have lowered the price on Man Sports products . It is not as cheap as some but you do get what you pay for .
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    Quote Originally Posted by learn View Post
    if you don't mind the taste of tomatoes as your preworkout then Premax is your drink.

    I know some retailers have lowered the price on Man Sports products . It is not as cheap as some but you do get what you pay for .
    You tasted Tomato in PreMax? I only noticed the berry flavor. (The tomato extract is only 120mg of the 40g serving.
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    i was thinking of this....

    Citrulline Malate
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    premax with a multiv/m (puritans is nice) and some creatine and beta-a with juice would be nice for as stim free PreWO.
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    Quote Originally Posted by reecew View Post
    Ive tried Bodyoctane and Clout stack and loved it but way too pricey. Ive tried various different caffeine free versions of some popular PWO's. What are some of the best one's I know Ultima's a good option but no way am i paying $50 for 40 possibly only 20 servings if a single scoop doesnt suffice. Ill have to wait for it to be on sale for $40 or something to even try that one. So any other good options out there?
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    I'm assuming you mean "Pre-workout" mix? Don't think I've seen caffeine in post-workout shakes. lol.. Anyways, make your own. Cheap

    Bulk AAKG
    Creatine Monohydrate
    Beta-alanine
    Alcar

    Maybe even throw in some L-dopa or L-tyrosine.
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    Citruvol Ultra + RPG will work quite well.
    Stim free and very effective.
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    I'd give a hemavol a look. It's a great non-stim pre-workout designed to increase plasma volume to induce pumps. It has gotten great, consistent feedback.

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    Quote Originally Posted by learn View Post
    if you don't mind the taste of tomatoes as your preworkout then Premax is your drink.

    I know some retailers have lowered the price on Man Sports products . It is not as cheap as some but you do get what you pay for .
    I ran a few tubs of premax and really liked the results and no crash or jittery feeling that any stim seems to give me as I get older, but at 5 dollars a serving thats just too high for me personally. I may make my own or try some of the Man products if the price is better. I have a little bit of anxiety issues so stims really set that off for me.....
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    Just ordered Clout, not alot cheaper than Premax. This will b my first Man product, one of the few I have not tried over the years....
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    Quote Originally Posted by RipdnTxs View Post
    I ran a few tubs of premax and really liked the results and no crash or jittery feeling that any stim seems to give me as I get older, but at 5 dollars a serving thats just too high for me personally...
    Thanks for the feedback on Pre Max. Sometimes you have to pay for quality (and sometimes not), and it's always convenient to have all the doses re ingredients already done for you in a complete product.

    If you want to go cheaper, then try using just the basics of creatine and maybe some BCAAs pre-training.

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