anything better than jack3d?

[JN230]

jack3d sucked for me man- i just got a tub of iforce maximize- GREAT! ASGT is great too i hear got a tub of it on the way

the exact same thing as this guy, went through 6 tubs of maximize with me and my dad, we LOVE it..... great stuff,

but we are trying ASGT coming this week

[josheyy]

ASGT worked wonders for me! I've also taken jack3d but it lost its effectiveness for me towards the end of the month. ASGT kept feeling like the first dose every time. Probably could go 2 months + with it.

[Grey Warden]

Try NK2TS.... stuff will set you on fire.

have you personally tried nk2ts? granted they are new to the forum but this is the first ive ever seen anyone recommend that product.

[flightposite]

ASGT,Presurge,PreMax,Maximize, Assault all very solid choices.

i also like rag.

[jumpshot903]

I think if pure energy and pumps is your sole goal Jack3d still reigns supreme but as mentioned theres more complete profiles out there ASGT, I really liked Muscle Marinade never used ASGT but heard tremendous reviews. Its basically whatever you want.

[KingLouisXXIV]

AGST didn't do much for me. Jack3d I think is better.

However, I prefer BPI's 1MR. Bare bones like jack3d, just as effective/concentrated, more caffeine. You don't need 1-3 scoops; instead 1 scoop is hardcore enough...

I used to use 2-3 scoops jack3d. It only takes me 2/3-3/4 scoop of 1MR for same or better effects. And its cleaner, no crash later. For some reason I always crashed after a jack3d workout.

[iForce Dave]

Haha I wish there was! I've been getting pretty tolerant to jack3d, using 3 scoops these days. I've tried ASGT and Hemo Rage Black lately and they don't even come close. Jack3d with Hemavol is ridiculous and if I wasn't so used to Jack3d and Hemavol wasn't so pricey I'd use it every workout, except legs. As mentioned, White Flood is pretty good...but I still prefer Jack3d.

Maximize V2!!!! Real potent stuff

the exact same thing as this guy, went through 6 tubs of maximize with me and my dad, we LOVE it..... great stuff,

but we are trying ASGT coming this week

Hemavol and Maximize are awesome preworkout options. I typically cycle between the two, and sometimes use both, which is an insane combo

[AndrewNico]

Ergopump

[mmacrazy]

Out of fear of being ripped to shreds and thrown to the lions for lunch i will say ;

anarchy covalex. Jack3d didnt do anything to me and no-xplode only worked when taken with coffee. 1 scoop of covalex and I am lit.
Downside is the crash after. Overall i like it though. might have to try this asgt though since people here seem to be digging on it.

[PatrickJ]

I did Hemodraulix with a cup of coffee as a preworkout for a while - good results.
Then I tried Jack3d for a month or so - better results.
Two weeks ago I picked up the ASGT/Anadraulic Pump/Postal workout kit just to try it out after reading all the hype. Was skeptical at first and the taste of ASGT took some getting used to. I'm doing ASGT one hour before quitting time, a cup of coffee 20 minutes later, Anadraulic Pump just before leaving for the gym, and Holy Crap - I've never been this psyched and focused in the gym. My lifts are heavier each session, aggression is better than ever, mood is great, not to mention libido through the roof. The wife doesn't know I'm taking this as I've got BP issues and she'd give me a hard time about it but she's definitely liking the results. I could lift for hours on this stuff but I force myself to get out when I think I might have had enough. I'm not trying to jump on any bandwagon here but so far this stuff has given me the best results in the gym of anything I've ever tried. The ASGT is still an "aquired taste" - after the first dose I wasn't sure I could even choke it down again but after hitting the gym it was well worth it where it matters. Just slam it and hit the weights. I'll be getting more this week when the kit runs out.

[poison]

1 M.R. is basically stims, tried it and the marketing pitch is that all you need is one scoop, which is mostly comprised of stims with limited amounts of anything else that's beneficial. I take 3 scoops of Jack3d and know I'm at least getting a decent amount of creatine and BA, same with Maximize (2 scoops). Muscle Marinade is also a great product.

AGST didn't do much for me. Jack3d I think is better.

However, I prefer BPI's 1MR. Bare bones like jack3d, just as effective/concentrated, more caffeine. You don't need 1-3 scoops; instead 1 scoop is hardcore enough...

I used to use 2-3 scoops jack3d. It only takes me 2/3-3/4 scoop of 1MR for same or better effects. And its cleaner, no crash later. For some reason I always crashed after a jack3d workout.

See the quote above yours. 1rm is a stim, marketed as a pre-workout. If you like a whopping stim pre-workout, go for it, but I'm not convinced it's really good for gains, the CNS, and recovery. I prefer REAL pre-workout products that have effective doses of ergogenic ingredients, like ASGT, Clout, etc. and don't murder your adrenals.

[poison]

Asgt is handsdown the best preworkout supp I have ever used..

I wanna try Muscle Marinade and 1MR.

I had a rotation of Jacked, White Flood, and ASGT. I run ASGT as my primary..

]ASGT worked wonders for me! I've also taken jack3d but it lost its effectiveness for me towards the end of the month. ASGT kept feeling like the first dose every time. Probably could go 2 months + with it.[/B]

ASGT,Presurge,PreMax,Maximize,Assa ult all very solid choices.

i also like rag.

I did Hemodraulix with a cup of coffee as a preworkout for a while - good results.
Then I tried Jack3d for a month or so - better results.
Two weeks ago I picked up the ASGT/Anadraulic Pump/Postal workout kit just to try it out after reading all the hype. Was skeptical at first and the taste of ASGT took some getting used to. I'm doing ASGT one hour before quitting time, a cup of coffee 20 minutes later, Anadraulic Pump just before leaving for the gym, and Holy Crap - I've never been this psyched and focused in the gym. My lifts are heavier each session, aggression is better than ever, mood is great, not to mention libido through the roof. The wife doesn't know I'm taking this as I've got BP issues and she'd give me a hard time about it but she's definitely liking the results. I could lift for hours on this stuff but I force myself to get out when I think I might have had enough. I'm not trying to jump on any bandwagon here but so far this stuff has given me the best results in the gym of anything I've ever tried. The ASGT is still an "aquired taste" - after the first dose I wasn't sure I could even choke it down again but after hitting the gym it was well worth it where it matters. Just slam it and hit the weights. I'll be getting more this week when the kit runs out.

Pretty overwhelming advice, there!

[reecew]

I saw someone else mention Man's Clout. Before ASGT my favorite pre workout was a stack of Man's Clout and Body Octane. I am very stim sensitive so its hard to find a good stim preworkout like ASGT that doesnt give me jitters or crash feeling once it wears off. So if your up for non stim PWO id say give that stack a shot its pretty amazing.

[chocolatemilk]

I want to try ASGT (and asked for a sample but never got it but there was tons of people asking so I know there was lots of confusion). But I personally prefer the stim'd out cracked out feeling (best workouts in the world when I'm this crazy and rowdy lol) and from what people are saying, ASGT seems mild in the stim department. However, that being said, I don't use N2KTS or Jack3d when I was using it that often.

You really don't need a pre-WO to get your favorite workouts like chest done. Doing chest is enjoyable all in itself and I look forward to it all day long--or arms. But I don't look forward to doing 315 squats for reps LOL. But a little, or a lot in my case stim pre-WO and I'm running to the squat rack!

That's how I personally use a pre-WO so all I'm after is the stims to get me through tired days, or enemy workouts. I just want a powerful stimulant.

And to Grey yes I use it. I don't know what your implying with your weird question and remark.

[The_Reverend]

But I personally prefer the stim'd out cracked out feeling (best workouts in the world when I'm this crazy and rowdy lol)

Me, too. I love feeling out of control, in a sense, and then coming home and crashing like a bus into a wall. Strangely, I get that feeling from ASGT/Anadraulic Pump. I do 1.5 scoops of each and when I'm done and walk in the door, I am wiped out to the point of taking a nap because I'm physically worthless. No other supp has ever done that to me.

[FlexW99]

Me, too. I love feeling out of control, in a sense, and then coming home and crashing like a bus into a wall. Strangely, I get that feeling from ASGT/Anadraulic Pump. I do 1.5 scoops of each and when I'm done and walk in the door, I am wiped out to the point of taking a nap because I'm physically worthless. No other supp has ever done that to me.

Honestly, in some weird way I like that feeling too...Its almost gratifying knowing I busted a$$! Sorry, it IS gratifying!

[ProteinMurder]

Maximize V2 @ 2 scoops all the way boys! Then Muscle Marinade at one rounded scoop, followed by 3 scoops of Jacked. Thats my order of preference. MV2 is sooo smooth, you barely notice when its gone.

[FlexW99]

I want to try ASGT (and asked for a sample but never got it but there was tons of people asking so I know there was lots of confusion). But I personally prefer the stim'd out cracked out feeling (best workouts in the world when I'm this crazy and rowdy lol) and from what people are saying, ASGT seems mild in the stim department. However, that being said, I don't use N2KTS or Jack3d when I was using it that often.

You really don't need a pre-WO to get your favorite workouts like chest done. Doing chest is enjoyable all in itself and I look forward to it all day long--or arms. But I don't look forward to doing 315 squats for reps LOL. But a little, or a lot in my case stim pre-WO and I'm running to the squat rack!

That's how I personally use a pre-WO so all I'm after is the stims to get me through tired days, or enemy workouts. I just want a powerful stimulant.

And to Grey yes I use it. I don't know what your implying with your weird question and remark.

CM, nice aesthetics holmes! damn!

[joedf]

Juggernaut by Infinite Labs was pretty good. I like Jack3d, but I found Juggernaut was stronger.

[SlickRick00]

Yo I was looking for the same thing and one of my buddys got a sample of aps mesomorph, at the last europa in dallas. Its strong bro im literally "in the zone" lol