anything better than jack3d?
- 08-25-2010, 03:18 PM
- 08-25-2010, 03:21 PM
08-25-2010, 04:30 PM
I saw someone else mention Man's Clout. Before ASGT my favorite pre workout was a stack of Man's Clout and Body Octane. I am very stim sensitive so its hard to find a good stim preworkout like ASGT that doesnt give me jitters or crash feeling once it wears off. So if your up for non stim PWO id say give that stack a shot its pretty amazing.
08-25-2010, 07:49 PM
I want to try ASGT (and asked for a sample but never got it but there was tons of people asking so I know there was lots of confusion). But I personally prefer the stim'd out cracked out feeling (best workouts in the world when I'm this crazy and rowdy lol) and from what people are saying, ASGT seems mild in the stim department. However, that being said, I don't use N2KTS or Jack3d when I was using it that often.
You really don't need a pre-WO to get your favorite workouts like chest done. Doing chest is enjoyable all in itself and I look forward to it all day long--or arms. But I don't look forward to doing 315 squats for reps LOL. But a little, or a lot in my case stim pre-WO and I'm running to the squat rack!
That's how I personally use a pre-WO so all I'm after is the stims to get me through tired days, or enemy workouts. I just want a powerful stimulant.
And to Grey yes I use it. I don't know what your implying with your weird question and remark.
08-25-2010, 08:09 PM
08-25-2010, 08:50 PM
08-25-2010, 08:50 PM
Maximize V2 @ 2 scoops all the way boys! Then Muscle Marinade at one rounded scoop, followed by 3 scoops of Jacked. Thats my order of preference. MV2 is sooo smooth, you barely notice when its gone.
08-25-2010, 08:50 PM
08-25-2010, 08:56 PM
08-25-2010, 10:04 PM
Yo I was looking for the same thing and one of my buddys got a sample of aps mesomorph, at the last europa in dallas. Its strong bro im literally "in the zone" lol
08-25-2010, 10:07 PM
My buddy gave me a sample of jack3d, and while it was pretty good, I hit that wall 10 minutes before I got done with my workout. It was only 1 scoop, so hopefully another scoop would be just right.
08-26-2010, 01:21 PM
08-26-2010, 07:45 PM
A word about ace k:
I don't think there's any such thing as a good artificial sweetener...but ace k is one of the more benign ones. I wish more companies would use stevia, myself.It is also used as a sweetener in pharmaceutical products, especially chewable and liquid medications, where it can make the active ingredients more palatable.
As with other artificial sweeteners, there is concern over the safety of acesulfame potassium. Although studies of these sweeteners show varying and controversial degrees of dietary safety, the United States Food and Drug Administration (US FDA) has approved their general use. Critics say acesulfame potassium has not been studied adequately and may be carcinogenic, although these claims have been dismissed by the US FDA and by equivalent authorities in the European Union.
Some potential effects associated with acesulfame have appeared in animal studies. Acesulfame K has been shown to stimulate dose-dependent insulin secretion in rats, though no hyperglycemia was observed.
Rodent studies have shown no increased incidence of tumors in response to administration of acesulfame K. Research conducted by the National Toxicology Program fed rats acesulfame K for 9 months, making up as much as 3% of their total diet (which would be equivalent to a human consuming 1,343 12-oz cans of artificially sweetened soda every day). There was no sign that these (or lower) levels of acesulfame K increased the rats' risk of cancer or other neoplasms. Further research in terms of food safety has been recommended.
08-27-2010, 03:16 AM
Shock therapy is my fave as far as stim based pre wo, but premax has been great to me, a little costly but lots of guys have mixed one scoop of premax and either assault or asgt one scoop to stretch it out and had great results.
08-27-2010, 10:28 AM
AppNut Black Cats if energy is the main goal
MusclePharm Assault is a great pre-workout drink mix
XF Vengeance is next on my list to try based on the feedback I have heard on it
08-27-2010, 10:34 AM
08-27-2010, 10:43 AM
08-27-2010, 11:02 AM
Try Mesomorph, its the strongest of all the pre-workouts i have tried. After the first time i took it, i checked the label....4000 mg of beta, 5000mg's citruline malate. More than double of what jacked has.
08-27-2010, 11:07 AM
White flood was my go too as well until i tried the mesomorph from aps. If you like the white flood you will really like mesomorph. I only take half a scoop and ive been on it for about 2 weeks. Its strong stuff.... lol
08-27-2010, 11:11 AM
08-27-2010, 10:41 PM
08-31-2010, 04:30 PM
N.O. Ignite by Finaflex is better IMO. It has the same basic ingredients as jack3d but it uses Ethyl Ester instead of monohydrate and also has Theophylline which relaxes and opens your air way making it easier to breath during those intense workouts.
08-31-2010, 04:39 PM
WhiteFlood rocks. I didn't care for Jack3d, it was good price wise, but it just didn't give me the same focus that WhiteFlood did.
I have take NoExplode and No2 in capsule forms (Walmart) not that those have stimulants in the (Explode does), but out of all the Pre-Workout mixes WhiteFlood is the king for me.
08-31-2010, 04:59 PM
The effects of creatine ethyl ester supplementation combined with heavy resistance training on body composition, muscle performance, and serum and muscle creatine levels
Mike Spillane,1 Ryan Schoch,4 Matt Cooke,1 Travis Harvey,5 Mike Greenwood,1 Richard Kreider,3 and Darryn S Willoughbycorresponding author1,2
Numerous creatine formulations have been developed primarily to maximize creatine absorption. Creatine ethyl ester is alleged to increase creatine bio-availability. This study examined how a seven-week supplementation regimen combined with resistance training affected body composition, muscle mass, muscle strength and power, serum and muscle creatine levels, and serum creatinine levels in 30 non-resistance-trained males. In a double-blind manner, participants were randomly assigned to a maltodextrose placebo (PLA), creatine monohydrate (CRT), or creatine ethyl ester (CEE) group. The supplements were orally ingested at a dose of 0.30 g/kg fat-free body mass (approximately 20 g/day) for five days followed by ingestion at 0.075 g/kg fat free mass (approximately 5 g/day) for 42 days. Results showed significantly higher serum creatine concentrations in PLA (p = 0.007) and CRT (p = 0.005) compared to CEE. Serum creatinine was greater in CEE compared to the PLA (p = 0.001) and CRT (p = 0.001) and increased at days 6, 27, and 48. Total muscle creatine content was significantly higher in CRT (p = 0.026) and CEE (p = 0.041) compared to PLA, with no differences between CRT and CEE. Significant changes over time were observed for body composition, body water, muscle strength and power variables, but no significant differences were observed between groups. In conclusion, when compared to creatine monohydrate, creatine ethyl ester was not as effective at increasing serum and muscle creatine levels or in improving body composition, muscle mass, strength, and power. Therefore, the improvements in these variables can most likely be attributed to the training protocol itself, rather than the supplementation regimen.
The Historic PES Legend
08-31-2010, 05:01 PM
White flood hands down best pump out of all the ones that I have tried. I like asgt for strength. I like taking 2 scoops of asgt an hour before workout and 1 scoop of white flood half an hour before. This is the best combo that I have come up with. Jacked just felt like a really strong stim that lost it's effect fast.
08-31-2010, 05:07 PM
08-31-2010, 05:20 PM
As for Theophyline, it is just a methylxanthine that can be substituted for a number of the other methylxanthines.
The Historic PES Legend
08-31-2010, 09:01 PM
I havn't tried ASGT yet by LG but I have tried pretty much every preworkout supplement
mentioned in this thread and I have to say one of the new sponsers on AM is APS Nut.
and for me they have one of the best preworkout powders out there Mesomorp. If you havn't tried it yet I highly recommend it but with all preworkout stims I never recommend using the same product more than twice in one week. I think everyone should have at least 3 or more stim supplements with different ingredient profiles to rotate around with each workout so your body doesn't get use to the ingredients.
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