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    looking for a good pre workout drink that doesnt contain creatine because of bloat. Also no caffeine. Any suggestions? Also a good test booster or some product to lean up? For some reason most test boosters hurt my stomach? Liquid gel caps are fine but for some reason certain products hurt my stomach.

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    no caffiene and no creatine?....

    hmmm....

    no creatine would be White Flood... but i can't be without my stims... my precious... . . precious. . .
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    Im pretty sure pre max is caffeine and creatine free...pretty pricey but Ive never heard anyone say they didnt like it.

    Im taking prime now during a cut, losing fat and gaining weight, powerFULL sounds pretty interesting also, will def use in the future to lean up.
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    I don't know if it fits the discription of "good" but

    http://store.anabolicminds.com/produ...-capsules.html

    This might suit your needs, i dunno.

    http://store.anabolicminds.com/produ...405-grams.html
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    right on Killerkanadia- Anadraulic Pump... i forgot about that... even though i have a jug in my cabinet right now LOL
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    i know you said no creatine, but you should look into ragnarok caff. free. i had no probs with bloat when taking this everyday so if you take it only preWO you should be fine. its a great prod imo check it out http://store.anabolicminds.com/produ...-servings.html
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    primordial performance premax.
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    Yeah wow that really limits no creatine or stim would either only be NitroCeps by MST, Anadraulic Pump by LG that comes off the top of my head.
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    Look into something like MAN Body Octane or PP Premax if you want non stim and no creatine
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    Quote Originally Posted by srgraham69 View Post
    primordial performance premax.
    Cheers for the suggestion of PreMax mate, how'd you find it?

    To the OP - If you'd like some feedback on premax before making your mind up then here's a link to some logs and reviews mate:

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    Quote Originally Posted by UKStrength View Post
    Cheers for the suggestion of PreMax mate, how'd you find it?!

    I know of all PP products Best company around in my book!
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    Quote Originally Posted by SHaneA655 View Post
    looking for a good pre workout drink that doesnt contain creatine because of bloat. Also no caffeine. Any suggestions? Also a good test booster or some product to lean up? For some reason most test boosters hurt my stomach? Liquid gel caps are fine but for some reason certain products hurt my stomach.

    you have just described Pre Max to the T, it has a ful dose of GPLC which has been clinically proven to increase NO levels.... its stim free and creatine free, so you're good to go bro!!! make sure you hit it when primoridal is having a sale on it
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    No caff no creatine products like that off the top of my head will be something like MST Nitroceps
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    Exactly what jn230 said^^. If im not taking Premax then im making my own, via Primordial Performance's goodies. Ibcaa, GPLC, Arginocarn, Toco 8 and EndoAmp Max. Throw in some Crystal Light and im good. Thats what I use half way into my morning fasted cardio. I then finish it right before my cardio ends.

    Another scoop of Arginocarn and a serving of MAP, taken about a half hour later works great too.
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    For a creatine and caffeine free pre wo, I would recommend Syntrax Nitrous.

    For a test booster, topical formestane.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rulk22 View Post
    Exactly what jn230 said^^. If im not taking Premax then im making my own, via Primordial Performance's goodies. Ibcaa, GPLC, Arginocarn, Toco 8 and EndoAmp Max. Throw in some Crystal Light and im good. Thats what I use half way into my morning fasted cardio. I then finish it right before my cardio ends.

    Another scoop of Arginocarn and a serving of MAP, taken about a half hour later works great too.
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    premax is 10 servings for 50 bucks, looks like a solid product, but that price is insane....
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    Quote Originally Posted by gamer2be08 View Post
    premax is 10 servings for 50 bucks, looks like a solid product, but that price is insane....
    Premax is the best combination of preworkout ingredients, and not to many will argue with that. For someone who is looking to stay on a budget, you could save it for your hardest workout days, such as a leg day.
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    what does premax bring??Strength gains? Energy? Heard its really good but not much detail?
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    Amino Acids, Protein, Real Nitric Oxide increase through GPLC, Pomegranate (Anti-Oxidant), Electrolytes.

    It is the definition of a well rounded pre workout.
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    Sounds like Hemavol may be an option, no creatine or caffeine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SHaneA655 View Post
    looking for a good pre workout drink that doesnt contain creatine because of bloat. Also no caffeine. Any suggestions? Also a good test booster or some product to lean up? For some reason most test boosters hurt my stomach? Liquid gel caps are fine but for some reason certain products hurt my stomach.
    well then you might want to look at PRE MAX from PP It has GPLC in it which is clinically proven to increase NO levels amd its stim free and creatine free,
    :-)
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    Quote Originally Posted by SHaneA655 View Post
    what does premax bring??Strength gains? Energy? Heard its really good but not much detail?
    the ingredients will greatly increae nitric oxide production and most people get a pretty good feeing off it to but no stim effect,

    id say pre max mixed with citrulline malate or some people even used xtend for that too...
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