Wrong steroid in IBE’s Epistane
- 04-27-2010, 01:22 PM
- 04-27-2010, 01:42 PM
04-27-2010, 01:45 PM
04-27-2010, 01:48 PM
I'd REALLY like a batch number, I've got four bottles of the stuff and don't know how I feel about running Phera.
Okay, the batch number they did test was 105284. Problem is that that's the only batch they tested. Other problem is that three of my four bottles don't have batch numbers. ****.
The Truth is, there is no Truth.
04-27-2010, 01:58 PM
04-27-2010, 02:02 PM
04-27-2010, 02:30 PM
04-27-2010, 03:36 PM
The Truth is, there is no Truth.
04-27-2010, 08:33 PM
04-27-2010, 09:17 PM
04-27-2010, 09:26 PM
04-28-2010, 03:43 AM
Epistane is synthesized from DMT, and will break down into DMT with heat. So if their method of analysis used heat, it's only logical that you would find DMT.
From this site
From Patrick Arnold
"at least part of epi's pharmacological activity is indeed due to its conversion to DMT"
Epistane's actions could possibly be entirely from it's conversion to DMT in the body. It's not a "bunk" batch of IBE's product...
04-28-2010, 07:59 AM
But will the 'S atom misplaced' compound convert to DMT too?
(in bottle or in body?)
Base on the study, there is just no epistane in that epistane. There is only a similar structure compound. If that compound degraded to DMT, fine, we might need to take the bottle under the sun to generate more DMT. If that compound can't degrade to DMT naturally, then obviously DMT was added or contaminated. IBE will be in big trouble then.
04-28-2010, 08:05 AM
04-28-2010, 08:13 AM
04-28-2010, 08:37 AM
04-28-2010, 09:10 AM
People were comparing Havoc and epistane, saying although they should have the same active ingredient, people (especially those who have taken both) got different experiences.... Some people explained it's because 'the different ratio of different forms'... I didn't understand at that time, what 'different forms' with the same compound??
oh, I read that the IBE representive was asking how to ban the paper for publishing, opps.
"Do you know of anything that we can do to try to prevent this article being published and/or continuing to be available at Wiley with the results looking as though we are spiking our products with DMT?"
BTW, i got the full-article of the original paper. anyone interested PM me.
04-28-2010, 10:11 AM
04-28-2010, 10:22 AM
these two companies might be just bad luck: Epistane and p-plex are just the two things got in check, and they all got problem. Who knows what will happen if they test all PH products and their clones in the market??
what worry me is, maybe we have never used anything that we thought we were using. The whole PH market is so messed up and unregulated... yes, unregulated, and FDA's attitude made things no better.
04-28-2010, 07:54 PM
04-28-2010, 09:31 PM
01-23-2011, 03:42 PM
so what ever came of this? Did everyone just decide to run the other way and just go with Havoc or is Epistane good to go now. They still sell Epi at some retailers.
I was thinking of buying some, but unsure now. I feel like i should just look the other way to Havoc
01-23-2011, 06:33 PM
Ugh I was ab to order some too! Any suggestions on another ph for dry mass gentlemen?
01-23-2011, 06:37 PM
01-23-2011, 07:06 PM
I've run IBE's Epi and loved it. Can I vouch that it was 100 percent Epistane? Nope.
However - the gains I had were dry. I felt the effects from day one with a sense of well being and sometimes even giddiness. The "giggles" wore off within a day but the well being alpha remained throughout. My libido was ridiculously high on it.
I still have some IBE Epi and I will run it. However - I'm going to also grab some Havoc and try that too - and compare the results.
Maybe someone here has run both IBE's version and another brand? Input here would be helpful.
Also - as far as Epi's claimed anti-aromatizing properties - NEVER take that for granted. Always be ready for anything with a SERM.
And I would also recommend some Forma included on cycle as it helped me.
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