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    i read that yesterday...now i'm afraid i still have a cycle's worth
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    Quote Originally Posted by FilipeBR View Post
    i read that yesterday...now i'm afraid i still have a cycle's worth
    they mentioned a batch or lot number i not remember.
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    I'd REALLY like a batch number, I've got four bottles of the stuff and don't know how I feel about running Phera.

    Okay, the batch number they did test was 105284. Problem is that that's the only batch they tested. Other problem is that three of my four bottles don't have batch numbers. ****.
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    scary. i have 2 bottles still.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bound View Post
    I'd REALLY like a batch number, I've got four bottles of the stuff and don't know how I feel about running Phera.

    Okay, the batch number they did test was 105284. Problem is that that's the only batch they tested. Other problem is that three of my four bottles don't have batch numbers. ****.
    You'll love phera, the strength and size gains are no joke. And the pumps are amazing. You have kind of euphoric feeling as well and in increase in libido and appetite for me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gamer2be08 View Post
    You'll love phera, the strength and size gains are no joke. And the pumps are amazing. You have kind of euphoric feeling as well and in increase in libido and appetite for me.
    I did one pulse cycle, and started getting pretty crazy strength increases right off the bat, like first week I was on. Haven't touched it since. wouldn't be surprised if that bottle had the phera in it. But who knows. I doubt even IBE could tell us.
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    Epistane is synthesized from DMT, and will break down into DMT with heat. So if their method of analysis used heat, it's only logical that you would find DMT.
    From this site
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    "at least part of epi's pharmacological activity is indeed due to its conversion to DMT"
    Epistane's actions could possibly be entirely from it's conversion to DMT in the body. It's not a "bunk" batch of IBE's product...
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    But will the 'S atom misplaced' compound convert to DMT too?
    (in bottle or in body?)
    Base on the study, there is just no epistane in that epistane. There is only a similar structure compound. If that compound degraded to DMT, fine, we might need to take the bottle under the sun to generate more DMT. If that compound can't degrade to DMT naturally, then obviously DMT was added or contaminated. IBE will be in big trouble then.

    Quote Originally Posted by Vengeance187 View Post
    Epistane is synthesized from DMT, and will break down into DMT with heat. So if their method of analysis used heat, it's only logical that you would find DMT.
    From this site
    From Patrick Arnold
    "at least part of epi's pharmacological activity is indeed due to its conversion to DMT"
    Epistane's actions could possibly be entirely from it's conversion to DMT in the body. It's not a "bunk" batch of IBE's product...
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    Quote Originally Posted by narraboth View Post
    But will the 'S atom misplaced' compound transfer to DMT too?
    (in bottle or in body?)
    Base on the study, there is just no epistane in that epistane. There is only a similar structure compound. If that compound degraded to DMT, fine, we might need to take the bottle under the sun to generate more DMT. If that compound can't degrade to DMT naturally, then obviously DMT was added or contaminated. IBE will be in big trouble then.
    Where are the IBE reps to clarify this??
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    Quote Originally Posted by FilipeBR View Post
    Where are the IBE reps to clarify this??
    there is one in BB forum, but I found him annoying. At first he claimed the paper is fake (obviously it's not), then he changed his tone, he said they tested every batch blah blah.
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    Quote Originally Posted by narraboth View Post
    there is one in BB forum, but I found him annoying. At first he claimed the paper is fake (obviously it's not), then he changed his tone, he said they tested every batch blah blah.
    Pfft yeah, those researches funded a massive conspiracy against IBE....
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    Quote Originally Posted by FilipeBR View Post
    Pfft yeah, those researches funded a massive conspiracy against IBE....
    I start to think about some reviews i read in some forum...
    People were comparing Havoc and epistane, saying although they should have the same active ingredient, people (especially those who have taken both) got different experiences.... Some people explained it's because 'the different ratio of different forms'... I didn't understand at that time, what 'different forms' with the same compound??

    oh, I read that the IBE representive was asking how to ban the paper for publishing, opps.
    "Do you know of anything that we can do to try to prevent this article being published and/or continuing to be available at Wiley with the results looking as though we are spiking our products with DMT?"

    BTW, i got the full-article of the original paper. anyone interested PM me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MAxximal View Post
    IBE is in a Big Trouble.
    maybe CEL too, their P-Plex got only one peak in NMR: DMT.

    these two companies might be just bad luck: Epistane and p-plex are just the two things got in check, and they all got problem. Who knows what will happen if they test all PH products and their clones in the market??
    what worry me is, maybe we have never used anything that we thought we were using. The whole PH market is so messed up and unregulated... yes, unregulated, and FDA's attitude made things no better.
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    Quote Originally Posted by narraboth View Post
    maybe CEL too, their P-Plex got only one peak in NMR: DMT.
    Isn't P-Plex supposed to be DMT?
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    Isn't P-Plex supposed to be DMT?
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    so what ever came of this? Did everyone just decide to run the other way and just go with Havoc or is Epistane good to go now. They still sell Epi at some retailers.

    I was thinking of buying some, but unsure now. I feel like i should just look the other way to Havoc
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    Ugh I was ab to order some too! Any suggestions on another ph for dry mass gentlemen?
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    take it.. if its actually pplex, thats a good thing.... seeing as pplex is gone
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    Quote Originally Posted by geminderh View Post
    Ugh I was ab to order some too! Any suggestions on another ph for dry mass gentlemen?
    Epi is an androgenic steroid - not a prohormone.

    I've run IBE's Epi and loved it. Can I vouch that it was 100 percent Epistane? Nope.

    However - the gains I had were dry. I felt the effects from day one with a sense of well being and sometimes even giddiness. The "giggles" wore off within a day but the well being alpha remained throughout. My libido was ridiculously high on it.

    I still have some IBE Epi and I will run it. However - I'm going to also grab some Havoc and try that too - and compare the results.

    Maybe someone here has run both IBE's version and another brand? Input here would be helpful.

    Also - as far as Epi's claimed anti-aromatizing properties - NEVER take that for granted. Always be ready for anything with a SERM.

    And I would also recommend some Forma included on cycle as it helped me.
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    i was under the impression that it was the molecule that was unstable, not just epistane but all the brands.
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    i ordered some ibe epi. 2 bottles. how many cycles should i get from it?

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    Has anyone used any of the most recent batches that have come outmin the last few months. Never used IBE in the past, but loved havoc and e-Stane
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    Quote Originally Posted by FilipeBR View Post
    Where are the IBE reps to clarify this??
    they come out in hordes with stones a flyin when this stuff happens to another company.

    bottom line buy from companies you can trust and this isnt one of them for me
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    Quote Originally Posted by bound View Post
    i was under the impression that it was the molecule that was unstable, not just epistane but all the brands.
    Pretty sure you are correct. Always have heard that Epi degrades into P-Plex. So it was probably Epi when it was put in the bottle but over time, some converted into Phera.
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    Quote Originally Posted by T50 View Post
    Pretty sure you are correct. Always have heard that Epi degrades into P-Plex. So it was probably Epi when it was put in the bottle but over time, some converted into Phera.
    is it just from Ibe? what about other epi products?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ken22 View Post
    is it just from Ibe? what about other epi products?
    Interestingly enough nobody elses got tested besides ibe, kinda makes you think.
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    Doesn't any one like Epi-Strong? I bridged it with Superdrone a couple months back and it seemed to work pretty darn good.
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    These tests happened in Japan over a year ago. Since then - hundreds of people (maybe thousands) have run IBE's Epistane without incident. You can see many of the logs right here on AM - people very happy with the stuff.

    I don't know about the methods or techniques used by the Japanese ... but I think it's foolish to condemn a company based on one set of tests.

    By the way - I believe the batch number is stamped on the bottom of the bottle.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ken22 View Post
    is it just from Ibe? what about other epi products?
    If Epi really does degrade over time into Phera, then no company could possibly prevent it. I'm sure if you took a bottle of Epi-Strong from a year and a half ago and tested it, there would be some amount of Phera in it. How quickly does Epi become Phera? I don't know but i'm sure it depends on how it was stored and the temperature and seal on the bottle.
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    Quote Originally Posted by T50 View Post
    If Epi really does degrade over time into Phera, then no company could possibly prevent it. I'm sure if you took a bottle of Epi-Strong from a year and a half ago and tested it, there would be some amount of Phera in it. How quickly does Epi become Phera? I don't know but i'm sure it depends on how it was stored and the temperature and seal on the bottle.
    Making me wonder about the two unopened bottles of Epistrong in my basement...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rahl View Post
    Making me wonder about the two unopened bottles of Epistrong in my basement...
    Uhoh, you better get rid of them. Hurry send them to me!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jabb View Post
    Uhoh, you better get rid of them. Hurry send them to me!
    Hell no! I was just wondering if they're done "degrading" yet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jet View Post
    Isn't P-Plex supposed to be DMT?
    lol yes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rahl View Post
    Hell no! I was just wondering if they're done "degrading" yet.
    I've got some "degrading" in my basement closet too
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