Hoping I have all my D-aspartic acid bases covered....

[Super Saiyan]

Its pretty popular in my area, I have heard from people 3 grams with breakfast is what they are doing with great results. I have researched on this site and have become a lot less blind. I have 60 days worth at 3 grams a day. I plan on doing 1500mg twice a day to get the full 3 grams. I still cant find any info on how long a good length is to run DAA. Thank to this form, I learned to take this with a B-complex and DMAE. Also I will be running a bottle of the old hyperdrol I got for dirt cheap although its a few months expired. The old formula is (Cissus Quadrangularis Proprietary Ketosteroid Extract, Proprietary Urtica Dioica Lignan Complex, 6-BrAD (6-Bromodione), Proprietary Forsholii Diterpene Complex Cissus Quadrangularis Proprietary Ketosteroid Extract) I mainly picked that cause 6-Bromodione is good to run with DAA I read. Anything else I missed or could add? Thanks for any info or help!

 

[zombiemuscle]

Why is the b complex important?

 

[andrew732]

I personally would run it with Sustain and 1-carboxy, and instead DMAE, go with either TMG or SAMe which are stronger methyl donors.

 

[zombiemuscle]

I personally would run it with Sustain and 1-carboxy, and instead DMAE, go with either TMG or SAMe which are stronger methyl donors.

I've used tmg in the past. Why does d aspartic acid need methyl groups?

 

[bkprice]

DAA converts into nmda, this process requires a methyl donor, TMG is one of the better choices for this. Also, sense nmda is what produces the main results, you may look into Nefiracetam. This study shows its enhancing effects on the nmda receptor

http://www3.interscience.wiley.com/journal/120120779/abstract?CRETRY=1&SRETRY=0

 

[Super Saiyan]

I personally would run it with Sustain and 1-carboxy, and instead DMAE, go with either TMG or SAMe which are stronger methyl donors.

Thanks, I saw some SaMe at meijers for 50% off I will be picking up! Should I be taking vitex when I take DAA to control prolactin?

 

[zombiemuscle]

Thanks, I saw some SaMe at meijers for 50% off I will be picking up! Should I be taking vitex when I take DAA to control prolactin?

The one carboxy is for the prolactin.

 

[zombiemuscle]

Can the body methylate DAA on it's own? Even if it can I know tmg would optimize process.

Also, can DAA be toxic if the body isn't methylating it?

 

[Super Saiyan]

Awesome info thanks. I started it today with everything I needed, I hope it lives up to the hype that has been created! I feel I am a great test, lets just say I am quite the non-responder to most items which sucks! I've had acute depression for years as well so it should be interesting to see if my mood changes which I have read it does. From the people who started me on this still say to do only 3 grams with breakfast no matter what, well I like the 1500mg twice a day idea better so I will try that out. Anyone know yet whats a safe length to run DAA? 4 weeks on and 4 off is the usual standby, or longer?

 

[zombiemuscle]

Another question:
DAA, or NMDA, does not compete with glutamine for the receptor, correct? Meaning it would be great to stack glutamine, daa, and tmg?

 

[lyfespan]

interested in seeing what all the hype is about

 

[Super Saiyan]

The one carboxy is for the prolactin.

Is vitex still ok? I have everything else and kinda already started it. Should I take it every time I take DAA?

 

[zombiemuscle]

Is vitex still ok? I have everything else and kinda already started it. Should I take it every time I take DAA?

Vitex has been used in the past to help monks maintain a celebate lifestyle and reduce libido. It's mechanism may be counterproductive for bodybuilding. There are still many unknowns when it comes to vitex.

Still, a lot of people like vitex. If you wish to use it, take a dose on the AM and a second dose before bed.

 

[Super Saiyan]

Vitex has been used in the past to help monks maintain a celebate lifestyle and reduce libido. It's mechanism may be counterproductive for bodybuilding. There are still many unknowns when it comes to vitex.

Still, a lot of people like vitex. If you wish to use it, take a dose on the AM and a second dose before bed.

Ahhhh Bogus! I thought it was great to help reduce prolactin. Isn't it in alot of test boosters as well, like nutrex vitrix?

 

[andrew732]

Awesome info thanks. I started it today with everything I needed, I hope it lives up to the hype that has been created! I feel I am a great test, lets just say I am quite the non-responder to most items which sucks! I've had acute depression for years as well so it should be interesting to see if my mood changes which I have read it does. From the people who started me on this still say to do only 3 grams with breakfast no matter what, well I like the 1500mg twice a day idea better so I will try that out. Anyone know yet whats a safe length to run DAA? 4 weeks on and 4 off is the usual standby, or longer?

If you have had acute depression for years, go with SAMe as your methyl donor, great for one's mood.

 

[andrew732]

DAA converts into nmda, this process requires a methyl donor, TMG is one of the better choices for this. Also, sense nmda is what produces the main results, you may look into Nefiracetam. This study shows its enhancing effects on the nmda receptor

http://www3.interscience.wiley.com/journal/120120779/abstract?CRETRY=1&SRETRY=0

Link was invalid bro!

 

[zombiemuscle]

Ahhhh Bogus! I thought it was great to help reduce prolactin. Isn't it in alot of test boosters as well, like nutrex vitrix?

1 carboxy or mucuna pruriens (velvet bean) are the two best choices for herbal prolactin control. 1 carboxy is supposed to be used by the body easier. Something about crossing the blood brain barrier. I've used both with great results. Velvet bean also increases mood.

I've used vitex before but it's nothing special.

 

[Super Saiyan]

If you have had acute depression for years, go with SAMe as your methyl donor, great for one's mood.

I did, I picked up some extra strength 400mg pills, 30 of them for 17 bucks on sale. I am properly going to break the pills in half since the double strength ones were the ones on discount so I can take 200mg of SAMe twice a day with my DAA doses.

 

[Super Saiyan]

What's a good dosage for samE for daa? 200mg twice a day or 400 mg twice a day with my daa dosages

 

[Maradona]

Maybe a lower dosage is needed in order to avoid aromatasa.

The studies indicated 3 grams daily for 12 days increased testosterone by 40% ( or is it 33%?) so I am guessing you either take it for 12 days then take some anti-e or AI or take a lower dosage like for example 1.5gram daily and one could expect the same 40% T increase in let's say 24 days.

Does this make any sense?

Also, you can add @ 500mg velvet bean ( 20% L Dopa ) daily to help control cortisol although I do not advise long term use of this extract; perhaps the best way to take DAA is to simply use it in short cycles then immediately run a PCT or some sort of estrogen control supplement protocol. You can use LJ 100 , Sustain Alpha or any of the effective herbal test boosters out there.

I would use Velvet extract and Coleus extract after 12 days of using DAA only if I wanted quick results.

 

[andrew732]

Maybe a lower dosage is needed in order to avoid aromatasa.

The studies indicated 3 grams daily for 12 days increased testosterone by 40% ( or is it 33%?) so I am guessing you either take it for 12 days then take some anti-e or AI or take a lower dosage like for example 1.5gram daily and one could expect the same 40% T increase in let's say 24 days.

Does this make any sense?

Also, you can add @ 500mg velvet bean ( 20% L Dopa ) daily to help control cortisol although I do not advise long term use of this extract; perhaps the best way to take DAA is to simply use it in short cycles then immediately run a PCT or some sort of estrogen control supplement protocol. You can use LJ 100 , Sustain Alpha or any of the effective herbal test boosters out there.

I would use Velvet extract and Coleus extract after 12 days of using DAA only if I wanted quick results.

WTF DAA does not require a pct, an AI along a prolactin blocker is ideal, of course a methyl donor is nice as well. Remember boys and girls, boosting testosterone through endogenous means does NOT require a pct, now exogeneous testosterone(injecting test) will require a pct.

 

[Maradona]

WTF DAA does not require a pct, an AI along a prolactin blocker is ideal, of course a methyl donor is nice as well. Remember boys and girls, boosting testosterone through endogenous means does NOT require a pct, now exogeneous testosterone(injecting test) will require a pct.

I wasn't trying to say a PCT is a must and what I meant by PCT was taking time off before cycling again and using other compounds to help keep balanced hormone levels.

As far as endogenous test levels not causing aramataze I beg to differ since the body can only metabolized a limited amount of testosterone unlike endogenous GH which the pituitary gland can produce in massive amounts.

Anyway, I am not a doctor and just sharing what I know from experience. I am going to start using this DAA next monday, I got the powder. I am also getting some calcium d glucarate and hopefully 99% pharma grade pure L Dopa if not I will use the 20% extract. I am trying to find the NMDA hopefully I will find it so I could use less DAA or combined the two together 3:1 ratio.

 

[zombiemuscle]

I wasn't trying to say a PCT is a must and what I meant by PCT was taking time off before cycling again and using other compounds to help keep balanced hormone levels.

As far as endogenous test levels not causing aramataze I beg to differ since the body can only metabolized a limited amount of testosterone unlike endogenous GH which the pituitary gland can produce in massive amounts.

Anyway, I am not a doctor and just sharing what I know from experience. I am going to start using this DAA next monday, I got the powder. I am also getting some calcium d glucarate and hopefully 99% pharma grade pure L Dopa if not I will use the 20% extract. I am trying to find the NMDA hopefully I will find it so I could use less DAA or combined the two together 3:1 ratio.

Just take DAA with TMG. The tmg changes daa into NMDA. I took andrew732's advice on that and am very happy. My daa product has an ai in it so that base is covered as well. I'm not taking anything for prolactin other than a coenzyme b complex vitamin from now foods. No problems with prolactin yet and am feeling stronger than ever. I started daa without tmg, and when I started the tmg I noticed a huge difference. Hope this helps!

 

[Maradona]

Just take DAA with TMG. The tmg changes daa into NMDA. I took andrew732's advice on that and am very happy. My daa product has an ai in it so that base is covered as well. I'm not taking anything for prolactin other than a coenzyme b complex vitamin from now foods. No problems with prolactin yet and am feeling stronger than ever. I started daa without tmg, and when I started the tmg I noticed a huge difference. Hope this helps!

I appreciate the info but just to make sure TMG is Betaine correct?
How much of it were you taking if you do not mind me asking please?
Are you taking 3 grams of the DDA daily, once or split in two dosages?
What would be a good legal AI or anti e in your opinion?
I hear L dopa will help control the prolactin but I am know vitamin B6 can help.
Sorry for all the questions I just want to make sure I use this DAA correctly and cover all bases.

Thank you for your help!

 

[andrew732]

I appreciate the info but just to make sure TMG is Betaine correct?
How much of it were you taking if you do not mind me asking please?
Are you taking 3 grams of the DDA daily, once or split in two dosages?
What would be a good legal AI or anti e in your opinion?
I hear L dopa will help control the prolactin but I am know vitamin B6 can help.
Sorry for all the questions I just want to make sure I use this DAA correctly and cover all bases.

Thank you for your help!

Betaine is TMG, most people split it, I take it once with 2-3g of TMG. Sustain Alpha would be a nice AI to go with it. Also realize that aromataziation is normal even with AI's, you aint gonna get shutdown just because of aromatization. Too long to explain LMAO. 1-Carboxy by USP powders, green tea extract 50% ECGC's is what you want, maybe even 50mcg of HuzperineA for somastatin control. I also recommend 4g LCLT to really maximize your run.

 

[zombiemuscle]

I appreciate the info but just to make sure TMG is Betaine correct?
How much of it were you taking if you do not mind me asking please?
Are you taking 3 grams of the DDA daily, once or split in two dosages?
What would be a good legal AI or anti e in your opinion?
I hear L dopa will help control the prolactin but I am know vitamin B6 can help.
Sorry for all the questions I just want to make sure I use this DAA correctly and cover all bases.

Thank you for your help!

My DAA dose is lower than you are wanting to run. I'm taking 3 caps Hard FX two times a day. 1 gram of TMG with each of the 3 cap doses.

 

[Maradona]

Betaine is TMG, most people split it, I take it once with 2-3g of TMG. Sustain Alpha would be a nice AI to go with it. Also realize that aromataziation is normal even with AI's, you aint gonna get shutdown just because of aromatization. Too long to explain LMAO. 1-Carboxy by USP powders, green tea extract 50% ECGC's is what you want, maybe even 50mcg of HuzperineA for somastatin control. I also recommend 4g LCLT to really maximize your run.

Thanks for the info and no need for explaining I know about aromatization , I admit I am not up to date with supplements and the last supplements I remember using was VPX 's pro hormones and ECA stacks like Thermadrene from ProPharma after that I started using the other stuff and completely tuned out from supplements but I have been clean for about a year now and want to keep it natural and legal especially. This DAA sounds very good and because I know about aromatization I want to be prepared, I think 500mg to 1g of calcium d glucarate daily should help.

Thank you!

 

[zombiemuscle]

Can anyone tell me if taking NAC will decrease the effectiveness of the methylated NMDA??

 

[Grambo]

Thanks for the info and no need for explaining I know about aromatization , I admit I am not up to date with supplements and the last supplements I remember using was VPX 's pro hormones and ECA stacks like Thermadrene from ProPharma after that I started using the other stuff and completely tuned out from supplements but I have been clean for about a year now and want to keep it natural and legal especially. This DAA sounds very good and because I know about aromatization I want to be prepared, I think 500mg to 1g of calcium d glucarate daily should help.

Thank you!

I have been using 6gs a day split along with Sam-e and I3C (both 400mg a day I believe before breakfast). This is 4th week.

Noticed ZERO feelings of aromatization and nothing that would lead me to believe that there is a problem with prolactin on this particular supplement. Just some experience.

Also the main study used did 3g before breakfast and thats exactly what I would do since that is obviously shown to work. I don't see any reason to split it up personally.
I wouldn't get too crazy in stacking too many things or how do you know what is working? just a thought.

 

[Maradona]

I have been using 6gs a day split along with Sam-e and I3C (both 400mg a day I believe before breakfast). This is 4th week.

Noticed ZERO feelings of aromatization and nothing that would lead me to believe that there is a problem with prolactin on this particular supplement. Just some experience.

Also the main study used did 3g before breakfast and thats exactly what I would do since that is obviously shown to work. I don't see any reason to split it up personally.
I wouldn't get too crazy in stacking too many things or how do you know what is working? just a thought.

Thank you for sharing, are feeling any positive effects?

Actually I started taking mine too , 3 grams in 4 ounces of Grapefruit juice before breakfast, is been 3 days now and I feel a slight increase in libido.

The first time I tried it I dissolved in water and it tastes sort of like alka seltzer and is not bad at all but with the grafruit juice you do not taste anything at all and there is no waste, it seems as if the grapefruit juice acts as an oral carrier.

If available , How about just taking straight NMDA? 30mg to 50mg daily?

 

[zombiemuscle]

Can anyone tell me if taking NAC will decrease the effectiveness of the methylated NMDA??

I'm having no prolactin issues, and noticing huge increase in libido. My gym recovery is swift, and I'm noticing boosted strength in the gym.

 

[Maradona]

I'm having no prolactin issues, and noticing huge increase in libido. My gym recovery is swift, and I'm noticing boosted strength in the gym.

How long you been taking the DAA and at what dosage?

 

[zombiemuscle]

How long you been taking the DAA and at what dosage?

taking hard fx, upped my dose to 3 caps 3x a day, with 1gram tmg at each dose. it hasnt been long maybe a couple weeks. and when i started i was using only 2 caps twice a day. hard to say really how much ive been using cuz its propietary blend.

 

[zombiemuscle]

I've been on hard fx for 19 days. After 19 days I've gained 6 pounds and am receiving compliments for my body recomp.

 

[TxHomeGrown]

I've been on hard fx for 19 days. After 19 days I've gained 6 pounds and am receiving compliments for my body recomp.

The AX spiking continues!

 

[Grambo]

The AX spiking continues!

lulz:silly:

 

[dsade]

I personally would run it with Sustain and 1-carboxy, and instead DMAE, go with either TMG or SAMe which are stronger methyl donors.

It's not only methyldonation that is at work here, but I strongly agree with the TMG.

 

[Maradona]

How about just taking 30mg or 50mg of N-Methyl D Aspartic Acid instead of 3 grams of DAA?

 

[dsade]

How about just taking 30mg or 50mg of N-Methyl D Aspartic Acid instead of 3 grams of DAA?

Go head and buy some and let us know how it works.

 

[poison]

The AX spiking continues!

No kidding.

 

[zombiemuscle]

The AX spiking continues!

Is there any proof of this in the past? If so, I am curious to know which products and what they were spiked with.

In any case, I'll continue to purchase AX products because they do work.

Furthermore, I've made diet, exercise, and lifestyle changes upon starting hard fx. Ive doubled the amount of calories I'm consuming and hitting the weights twice as much. The supplement alone isn't responsible for recomp.

 

[Steveoph]

The studies seemed to all shown a jump in Prl; not sure why it isn't manifesting itself in humans. I'd still suggest something like Vitex to control Prl (or 1-carboxy if you're ok with that)

 

[bkprice]

Will know a lot more about DAAs good and bad sides when doznes of people run it for months on end. I dont think will see a of issues but sense this is so new, I think one should just play it safe for now when it comes to Prl issues.

Also, if your going to take NMDA straight, you should look into adding Vincamine, studies have showen it can protect against long and short term toxic effects from NMDA. Now, some say taking only 30mg of NMDA is safe but again I error on the side of caution.

 

[zombiemuscle]

The studies seemed to all shown a jump in Prl; not sure why it isn't manifesting itself in humans. I'd still suggest something like Vitex to control Prl (or 1-carboxy if you're ok with that)

I've been taking a coenzyme b complex, which includes p5p. It's a staple for me.

 

[Maradona]

Will know a lot more about DAAs good and bad sides when doznes of people run it for months on end. I dont think will see a of issues but sense this is so new, I think one should just play it safe for now when it comes to Prl issues.

Also, if your going to take NMDA straight, you should look into adding Vincamine, studies have showen it can protect against long and short term toxic effects from NMDA. Now, some say taking only 30mg of NMDA is safe but again I error on the side of caution.

Do you mean vinpocetine? 10mg to 30mg daily perhaps?

Thanks for the info!

 

[Maradona]

I've been taking a coenzyme b complex, which includes p5p. It's a staple for me.

What dosage if I may ask please?
Is the p5p supposed to aid amino acid metabolism , correct?
Or is it to lower cortisol?
Thanks

 

[Grambo]

The studies seemed to all shown a jump in Prl; not sure why it isn't manifesting itself in humans. I'd still suggest something like Vitex to control Prl (or 1-carboxy if you're ok with that)

Going to check PRL levels Monday to see if it's increased and may be reason my test increase was not as high as expected with whom I'm
working with. So 4 weeks 6g shoukd show some increase if it's a problem. Also will depend on the person as usual with anything.

 

[zombiemuscle]

What dosage if I may ask please?
Is the p5p supposed to aid amino acid metabolism , correct?
Or is it to lower cortisol?
Thanks

I take the Now Foods brand "coenzyme b complex" tablets. Dosing 2 or 3 tablets a day. I hope NP can start carrying these tablets soon.

I take them as a staple because my body has troubles metabolizing normal b vitamins... It's a genetic disorder.

 

[Steveoph]

I've been taking a coenzyme b complex, which includes p5p. It's a staple for me.

Good call; I have a few bottles of that on hand.

Going to check PRL levels Monday to see if it's increased and may be reason my test increase was not as high as expected with whom I'm
working with. So 4 weeks 6g shoukd show some increase if it's a problem. Also will depend on the person as usual with anything.

Thanks for keeping us posted Grambo.

 

[andrew732]

If anything NAC will increase the effectiveness of the coenenzymes of the b-complexes.