Safe, Long Term Testosterone Boosting?
- 12-09-2009, 09:17 PM
Safe, Long Term Testosterone Boosting?
Is there anything that can be taken long-term, say on a daily basis or close to it, to increase testosterone either through increasing LH production or decreasing SHBG or etc etc?
Looking for some simple and safe products. For instance, could something like Divanex (a 3,4-divanillyltetrahydrofuran product) and/or Sustain Alpha be used long term without problems? What about Icarrin, Chrysin, I3C, Trib?
Not looking so much for an anti-estrogen as I could cycle that in and out.
- 12-09-2009, 09:30 PM
I really doubt that there is. At some point, the body will return to homeostasis and you will return to your "normal" levels.M.Ed. Ex Phys
- 12-10-2009, 09:03 AM
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12-10-2009, 10:44 AM
12-10-2009, 10:45 AM
Hmmm. With the Diesel Pro-Cycle out, I was thinking of trying that at some point. I bet I could do something similar to what you are doing with DTHC.
I'm only beginning to do some research for long-term maintenance as I found out my test levels are on the low end of the normal range (should be getting the actual copies of the tests back soon). But depending on what it says, I may look at incorporating Divanex, Muira Puama, and/or I3C or Chrysin or Resv into my daily life.
12-10-2009, 01:02 PM
12-10-2009, 01:08 PM
Yah I would have to agree cycle different types of products.
Mind and Muscle Board Representative I am not a physician and any advice is solely based on personal experience with various products
12-11-2009, 12:26 PM
12-11-2009, 12:57 PM
people use ZMA or now ZMK as a staple supplement at night, i don't have the link but i've read that research shows it can increase testosterone by 30%, my buddy also says he read information that creatine boosts test more than anything besides actualy test boosters, i can't verify that i've ever heard it anywhere else but you can look into it
12-11-2009, 01:00 PM
squats and deadlifts long term will work.
They are safe and effective at getting your stronger, and recruiting hormones.
Side Effects Include: Whining.
12-11-2009, 02:00 PM
12-11-2009, 02:39 PM
12-11-2009, 02:57 PM
hahaha thats funny. i just say include heavy bench, squat and deadlift into your program and an occasional test booster as well as ZMA continuously. i personally love ZMA. does creatine really boost your test??????
12-11-2009, 03:00 PM
i'm not sure if it does, i don't know of any test that can prove the creatine theory, a guy i used to work with said he read it somewhere but i never searched it out and don't get to talk to him anymore to find out where he saw it
12-11-2009, 03:35 PM
No. I don't believe creatine would increase test directly. I don't see how it would.
But yes, I know about zinc and I practice all major power and olympic lifts.
I've been doing more research in the past few days. Looking at divanil, muira puama, and I3C. I'm not looking to increase test to a ridiculous level, just looking to augment my own production at an even level. May just have to spend more time in the Anti-Aging forum to see what the old guys think.
*FYI, just got blood tests done and test is in the lower end of the normal range. Should be getting the hard copies soon to see the exact numbers but would like to do something about it.
12-11-2009, 04:01 PM
12-11-2009, 04:26 PM
All these studies on testosterone and crap....creatine, if it increases your DHT, will be so negligent that you wont even notice it. Training harder and eating MUCH more fats and cholestrol will increase your T more than creatine or 99.9% of those "herbal test boosters"
Eat 5 whole eggs a day...this will jack up your T levels good.
Take something to help regulate estrogen, like I3C. This is your best bet long term as it will help metabolism of estrogen and possibly lower your aromatase giving you more Free-T. Look into something that intensifies your REM like PowerFull or Bulk-1Carboxy....the deeper sleep will increase your T and GH
Take it from me, I had T in the low-300's. I tried DTHC, I tried more fats, I tried EVERYTHING natural under the sun for 6months. Levels didn't budge...sometimes I was much hornier and felt stronger especially from DTHC but my levels never went up substantially.
The only thing that truly boosted my T was Clomid at 25mg/day for 10 weeks...now that stuff works hardcore. It kicked me up to 600ng/dl and I felt really really good for the first time in my life..too bad it dropped afterwards. I wouldn't necessarily recommened it long term because it raised my SHBG pretty good amount.
12-11-2009, 04:41 PM
Cholesterol, saturated fats, vitamin A and vitamin D.Training harder and eating MUCH more fats and cholestrol will increase your T more than creatine or 99.9% of those "herbal test boosters"
Zinc and magnesium, if deficient.
12-11-2009, 09:29 PM
12-13-2009, 10:28 AM
12-13-2009, 01:44 PM
12-13-2009, 01:49 PM
Sustain Alpha can also be run for periods of up to 3 months in a 5 days on 2 off protocol, before a break would be needed. You could then switch to another compounds such as TestoFen (contained in Phyto-Testosterone)
12-13-2009, 11:19 PM
If you check my log (link below) - answer is yes you could stay on icariin/phytotest because it doesn't appear to increase test. It increases libido (alot) but no apparent change in test.
Having elevated test - I got near teenager levels on MassFX/HX2 - is bad long term, i.e. like years - could increase anxiety, stress, heart rate. Well teenagers
Again if it doesn't actually elevate test there is no reason you can't stay on it. Also if it is going to elevate test a bit then I can't see what harm that would do. Thats the argument used for using maca all the time. Well the Incas probably lived on it.
This is the same argument for using resveratrol (AI's Stoked). I use as a staple at 1/2 dose. Anti-aging guys live on resveratrol. I think it should be cycled, not that I've got around to doing it yet! PP's new resveratrol stuff is interesting, their SA has a top reputation.
DHTC - I wouldn't want to stay on it. One of the ingredients is known to increase to anxiety - long term stress ain't a good idea.
Staying on an AI is a straight "no".
12-14-2009, 07:04 AM
What REALLY works in raising Test and lowering SHBG
What raises test through LH production? HCG increases test thru LH production. Raised my Total T from 320 to 745 on HCG alone.
What lowers SHBG? Small dose of Danazol (20mg) dropped my SHBG from 55 to 29.
Add in a little Selegiline Slo-Gel (L-Dopa) to stimulate the dopamine receptors and I'm as "restored" as my '63 T-Bird.
All of the above require scripts from a doctor. My doctor (Shippen) "wrote the book".
(BTW, 100mg of resveratrol daily keeps E around 15-20. Shippen prefers natural E control over an AI).
Keep in mind that I'm 53 (thus OLDgator, not YOUNGgator).
12-14-2009, 10:53 AM
The absolute furthest I think a normal person without hypogonadism should experiment, would be to run clomid for a few weeks to kick up their T.
12-14-2009, 12:01 PM
12-14-2009, 03:08 PM
Okay the above post is all about seriously manipulating the P-T axis. The idea is that pituitary and testes are linked, the pituitary releases hGH, drugs do this better than supplements.
You could just concerntrate on the fairly straight forward issue of boosting hGH (B6, D2 agonist, Mucana puriens/Powerful) and cycle. Thats straight forward.
12-14-2009, 08:55 PM
Thanks guys. I don't want to step into the realm of hCG, clomid, Androgel, etc on my own. For the moment, I wanted to see what people like to use on the supplement side. I have some Sustain Alpha and Formestane already, which I enjoy and may jump back on at some point.
For reference, I only had my Total Test checked during a routine check-up and it came back as 2.19 ng/mL (they gave a reference range of 1.75-7.81). As I'm about to turn 26, I think I am still young enough, active enough, and eat well enough to be at a better level than this. LEF talks about aiming to get yourself within the upper third of the normal/average range of the age group I'm in. I would very much like to do this.
This is outside the supplement scope, but if anyone has any recommendations for an Endo in the Chicagoland area, please let me know!
12-15-2009, 07:43 AM
Okay I see.
I would start a resveratrol product long term, you could supplement with SA cycles. I use Stoked at half dose - although perhaps 1/4 dose is a better idea in my case. You might think about DHEA cycles such as Dermacrine then cycle SA. DHEA cycle might have a dramatic effect on you.
You can cycle an AI but can't do it long term. Personally I don't see why you can't do constant cycles because you're not in danger of excess test.
There is alot you can do to support test levels.
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