Safe, Long Term Testosterone Boosting?

[JJC]

Is there anything that can be taken long-term, say on a daily basis or close to it, to increase testosterone either through increasing LH production or decreasing SHBG or etc etc?

Looking for some simple and safe products. For instance, could something like Divanex (a 3,4-divanillyltetrahydrofuran product) and/or Sustain Alpha be used long term without problems? What about Icarrin, Chrysin, I3C, Trib?

Not looking so much for an anti-estrogen as I could cycle that in and out.

 

[Rodja]

I really doubt that there is. At some point, the body will return to homeostasis and you will return to your "normal" levels.

 

[UNCnate]

Is there anything that can be taken long-term, say on a daily basis or close to it, to increase testosterone either through increasing LH production or decreasing SHBG or etc etc?

Looking for some simple and safe products. For instance, could something like Divanex (a 3,4-divanillyltetrahydrofuran product) and/or Sustain Alpha be used long term without problems? What about Icarrin, Chrysin, I3C, Trib?

Not looking so much for an anti-estrogen as I could cycle that in and out.

Anything I can think off the top of my head is going to require cycling at some point. If you want to boost testosterone long term, via supplements, your best bet is to find testosterone boosters that work via different mechanisms and cycle them, i.e. TestoPRO, then Stoked, then something containing Fadogia, then repeat.

 

[BBB]

Is there anything that can be taken long-term, say on a daily basis or close to it, to increase testosterone either through increasing LH production or decreasing SHBG or etc etc?

Looking for some simple and safe products. For instance, could something like Divanex (a 3,4-divanillyltetrahydrofuran product) and/or Sustain Alpha be used long term without problems? What about Icarrin, Chrysin, I3C, Trib?

Not looking so much for an anti-estrogen as I could cycle that in and out.

Nearly into my 60's I have used Diesel Test Hardcore and it's forerunners as a staple test booster for a number of years. I use these products 5 days on and 2 days off weekly and I further cycle them 5 weeks on and two weeks off on a continuous basis. DTHC is a complete product and you really don’t need anything else. It increases testosterone, lowers E2 and cortisol and also lowers my blood pressure slightly. Moreover, it also works like a natural Viagra. I wake up nearly every morning with wood and can perform on demand as required by my wife. I have tried a number of other test boosters but I keep returning to DTHC.

 

[marco wolf]

Nearly into my 60's I have used Diesel Test Hardcore and it's forerunners as a staple test booster for a number of years. I use these products 5 days on and 2 days off weekly and I further cycle them 5 weeks on and two weeks off on a continuous basis. DTHC is a complete product and you really don’t need anything else. It increases testosterone, lowers E2 and cortisol and also lowers my blood pressure slightly. Moreover, it also works like a natural Viagra. I wake up nearly every morning with wood and can perform on demand as required by my wife. I have tried a number of other test boosters but I keep returning to DTHC.

How many a day, if you don't mind me asking?

 

[BBB]

How many a day, if you don't mind me asking?

It varies slightly from one person to the next. You need to experiment to find your sweet spot. For me 4 pills per day seems to work well. I take two first thing in the morning and one about midday and another before bed. I have tried higher doses and don't really notice much if any difference.

 

[marco wolf]

Thanks.

 

[JJC]

Hmmm. With the Diesel Pro-Cycle out, I was thinking of trying that at some point. I bet I could do something similar to what you are doing with DTHC.

I'm only beginning to do some research for long-term maintenance as I found out my test levels are on the low end of the normal range (should be getting the actual copies of the tests back soon). But depending on what it says, I may look at incorporating Divanex, Muira Puama, and/or I3C or Chrysin or Resv into my daily life.

 

[BBB]

Hmmm. With the Diesel Pro-Cycle out, I was thinking of trying that at some point. I bet I could do something similar to what you are doing with DTHC.

I'm only beginning to do some research for long-term maintenance as I found out my test levels are on the low end of the normal range (should be getting the actual copies of the tests back soon). But depending on what it says, I may look at incorporating Divanex, Muira Puama, and/or I3C or Chrysin or Resv into my daily life.

I would go easy on the DTP in contains DHEA and could cause problems at your age.

 

[DreamWeaver]

Yah I would have to agree cycle different types of products.

 

[A_I_Sports_Nutrition]

I also agree. I would not use a test booster for more than 2 months without a break.

 

[Young Gotti]

people use ZMA or now ZMK as a staple supplement at night, i don't have the link but i've read that research shows it can increase testosterone by 30%, my buddy also says he read information that creatine boosts test more than anything besides actualy test boosters, i can't verify that i've ever heard it anywhere else but you can look into it

 

[monsterbox]

squats and deadlifts long term will work.

They are safe and effective at getting your stronger, and recruiting hormones.

Side Effects Include: Whining.

 

[A_I_Sports_Nutrition]

squats and deadlifts long term will work.

They are safe and effective at getting your stronger, and recruiting hormones.

Side Effects Include: Whining.

LMAO!!!

 

[DreamWeaver]

squats and deadlifts long term will work.

They are safe and effective at getting your stronger, and recruiting hormones.

Side Effects Include: Whining.

No whining!! :grumpy:

 

[Swoldierboy]

hahaha thats funny. i just say include heavy bench, squat and deadlift into your program and an occasional test booster as well as ZMA continuously. i personally love ZMA. does creatine really boost your test??????

 

[Young Gotti]

i'm not sure if it does, i don't know of any test that can prove the creatine theory, a guy i used to work with said he read it somewhere but i never searched it out and don't get to talk to him anymore to find out where he saw it

 

[JJC]

No. I don't believe creatine would increase test directly. I don't see how it would.

But yes, I know about zinc and I practice all major power and olympic lifts.

I've been doing more research in the past few days. Looking at divanil, muira puama, and I3C. I'm not looking to increase test to a ridiculous level, just looking to augment my own production at an even level. May just have to spend more time in the Anti-Aging forum to see what the old guys think.

*FYI, just got blood tests done and test is in the lower end of the normal range. Should be getting the hard copies soon to see the exact numbers but would like to do something about it.

 

[marco wolf]

This study says that creatine raises DHT levels.

http://anabolicminds.com/forum/supplement-articles/135147-creatine-mono-may.html

 

[monsterbox]

All these studies on testosterone and crap....creatine, if it increases your DHT, will be so negligent that you wont even notice it. Training harder and eating MUCH more fats and cholestrol will increase your T more than creatine or 99.9% of those "herbal test boosters"

Eat 5 whole eggs a day...this will jack up your T levels good.

Take something to help regulate estrogen, like I3C. This is your best bet long term as it will help metabolism of estrogen and possibly lower your aromatase giving you more Free-T. Look into something that intensifies your REM like PowerFull or Bulk-1Carboxy....the deeper sleep will increase your T and GH


Take it from me, I had T in the low-300's. I tried DTHC, I tried more fats, I tried EVERYTHING natural under the sun for 6months. Levels didn't budge...sometimes I was much hornier and felt stronger especially from DTHC but my levels never went up substantially.

The only thing that truly boosted my T was Clomid at 25mg/day for 10 weeks...now that stuff works hardcore. It kicked me up to 600ng/dl and I felt really really good for the first time in my life..too bad it dropped afterwards. I wouldn't necessarily recommened it long term because it raised my SHBG pretty good amount.

 

[marco wolf]

Training harder and eating MUCH more fats and cholestrol will increase your T more than creatine or 99.9% of those "herbal test boosters"

Cholesterol, saturated fats, vitamin A and vitamin D.

Zinc and magnesium, if deficient.

 

[UNCnate]

Cholesterol, saturated fats, vitamin A and vitamin D.

Zinc and magnesium, if deficient.

Good advice.

 

[kingdong]

people use ZMA or now ZMK as a staple supplement at night, i don't have the link but i've read that research shows it can increase testosterone by 30%, my buddy also says he read information that creatine boosts test more than anything besides actualy test boosters, i can't verify that i've ever heard it anywhere else but you can look into it

It's important to keep healthy zinc and magnesium levels so your body can produce the test that it whants to produce. The more deficient you are in these nutrients, the more you will benefit from the supplement. It goes the other way too though.

 

[wolverines]

Umm formestane?

 

[UKStrength]

Cholesterol, saturated fats, vitamin A and vitamin D.

Zinc and magnesium, if deficient.

Excellent advice, I'd also add a good sleeping and recovery routine to that.

Sustain Alpha can also be run for periods of up to 3 months in a 5 days on 2 off protocol, before a break would be needed. You could then switch to another compounds such as TestoFen (contained in Phyto-Testosterone)

 

[matthias7]

If you check my log (link below) - answer is yes you could stay on icariin/phytotest because it doesn't appear to increase test. It increases libido (alot) but no apparent change in test.

Having elevated test - I got near teenager levels on MassFX/HX2 - is bad long term, i.e. like years - could increase anxiety, stress, heart rate. Well teenagers

Again if it doesn't actually elevate test there is no reason you can't stay on it. Also if it is going to elevate test a bit then I can't see what harm that would do. Thats the argument used for using maca all the time. Well the Incas probably lived on it.

This is the same argument for using resveratrol (AI's Stoked). I use as a staple at 1/2 dose. Anti-aging guys live on resveratrol. I think it should be cycled, not that I've got around to doing it yet! PP's new resveratrol stuff is interesting, their SA has a top reputation.

DHTC - I wouldn't want to stay on it. One of the ingredients is known to increase to anxiety - long term stress ain't a good idea.

Staying on an AI is a straight "no".

 

[OldGator]

What REALLY works in raising Test and lowering SHBG

Is there anything that can be taken long-term, say on a daily basis or close to it, to increase testosterone either through increasing LH production or decreasing SHBG

To answer your questions directly:

What raises test through LH production? HCG increases test thru LH production. Raised my Total T from 320 to 745 on HCG alone.

What lowers SHBG? Small dose of Danazol (20mg) dropped my SHBG from 55 to 29.

Add in a little Selegiline Slo-Gel (L-Dopa) to stimulate the dopamine receptors and I'm as "restored" as my '63 T-Bird.

All of the above require scripts from a doctor. My doctor (Shippen) "wrote the book".

(BTW, 100mg of resveratrol daily keeps E around 15-20. Shippen prefers natural E control over an AI).

Keep in mind that I'm 53 (thus OLDgator, not YOUNGgator).

 

[monsterbox]

To answer your questions directly:

What raises test through LH production? HCG increases test thru LH production. Raised my Total T from 320 to 745 on HCG alone.

What lowers SHBG? Small dose of Danazol (20mg) dropped my SHBG from 55 to 29.

Add in a little Selegiline Slo-Gel (L-Dopa) to stimulate the dopamine receptors and I'm as "restored" as my '63 T-Bird.

All of the above require scripts from a doctor. My doctor (Shippen) "wrote the book".

(BTW, 100mg of resveratrol daily keeps E around 15-20. Shippen prefers natural E control over an AI).

Keep in mind that I'm 53 (thus OLDgator, not YOUNGgator).

wow, this is WAY over the top. No one should be messing with HCG unless they suspect, through blood tests, that they are actually hypogonadal. I agree with you on the drugs you mention. I'm on HCG and TRT right now too. However, for long-term test booster that works well for a normal person with a functional hpta, HCG would shut down your pituitary.

The absolute furthest I think a normal person without hypogonadism should experiment, would be to run clomid for a few weeks to kick up their T.

 

[OldGator]

The absolute furthest I think a normal person without hypogonadism should experiment, would be to run clomid for a few weeks to kick up their T.

Totally agree.
Sorry, I should have mentioned that I'm clinically hypo and on permanent TRT.

 

[matthias7]

Okay the above post is all about seriously manipulating the P-T axis. The idea is that pituitary and testes are linked, the pituitary releases hGH, drugs do this better than supplements.

You could just concerntrate on the fairly straight forward issue of boosting hGH (B6, D2 agonist, Mucana puriens/Powerful) and cycle. Thats straight forward.

 

[JJC]

Thanks guys. I don't want to step into the realm of hCG, clomid, Androgel, etc on my own. For the moment, I wanted to see what people like to use on the supplement side. I have some Sustain Alpha and Formestane already, which I enjoy and may jump back on at some point.


For reference, I only had my Total Test checked during a routine check-up and it came back as 2.19 ng/mL (they gave a reference range of 1.75-7.81). As I'm about to turn 26, I think I am still young enough, active enough, and eat well enough to be at a better level than this. LEF talks about aiming to get yourself within the upper third of the normal/average range of the age group I'm in. I would very much like to do this.


This is outside the supplement scope, but if anyone has any recommendations for an Endo in the Chicagoland area, please let me know!

 

[matthias7]

Okay I see.

I would start a resveratrol product long term, you could supplement with SA cycles. I use Stoked at half dose - although perhaps 1/4 dose is a better idea in my case. You might think about DHEA cycles such as Dermacrine then cycle SA. DHEA cycle might have a dramatic effect on you.

You can cycle an AI but can't do it long term. Personally I don't see why you can't do constant cycles because you're not in danger of excess test.

There is alot you can do to support test levels.

 

[DreamWeaver]

Okay I see.
You can cycle an AI but can't do it long term. Personally I don't see why you can't do constant cycles because you're not in danger of excess test.

I use Formestane as a staple at low dose pulsed, it has been tremendously advantageous. :bigok:

 

[OldGator]

I use Formestane as a staple at low dose pulsed, it has been tremendously advantageous. :bigok:

Is Formex by IBE the same thing?

 

[DreamWeaver]

Is Formex by IBE the same thing?

It's supposed to be similar, I love the transdermal by CEL though ..good product.