Supplements Do Not Work
- 11-18-2009, 09:19 AM
- 11-18-2009, 09:32 AM
Supplements are just that supplements. You eat poor or do not train right and get no good rest there is no supplement that is going to work.
11-18-2009, 09:33 AM
I am mainly referring to the supplements that advertise "bone crushing muscle growth" and "mind splitting gains in strength". Or perhaps the scientific approach gets me. Pictures of scientists doing research with beakers in a lab with some percentages and different studies cited. How am I able to be tricked into trying something. I mean if 500,000 people try something 1 time then that is a huge profit for that company.
It is wild that the stuff that is effective is illegal while all the stuff that really doesnt do much is left to be unregulated. I have seen so many supplements that people have gained muscle from end up being proven as completely worthless. The only sups that have been around for years are creatine, ph/ps, and stims. All others have been bogus.
11-18-2009, 09:54 AM
11-18-2009, 09:55 AM
11-18-2009, 10:08 AM
There is no way that the very little benefit of legal supplements is worth the 50-60 bucks that alot of these sups cost.
All of these sups live there life and then die away. The only ones that I can honestly think of that have been around for a decade or more is stims and creatine. And coincidentally these are the cheapest.
11-18-2009, 10:12 AM
Two things dude. You either havent tried the right ones cause you havent been around long enought to spot the bogus ones or you dont take them exactly as directed. I have lots of experience with people taking the exact same supps as me and not get anything out of it while i got great results because they didnt take them as directed.
In case yo uare still wondering, here is a short list of legit supp companies
John Scotts Nitro
All American EFX
And all these make non-hormonal products that work great. Also, make sure your training hard enough to need them.
11-18-2009, 10:17 AM
11-18-2009, 10:42 AM
11-18-2009, 10:50 AM
Funny how most of the people that think natural supplements don't work are big supporters of PH and PS's...
I will be competing about 20 lbs heavier than ever because of Natural supplementation. It was because of these products that I decided to make a comeback. A lot of the people I will be competing against will likely be PH and PS users .... I won't look out of place...
Believe what you want, I do agree the majority of supps are crap but when you find out what works you stick to it. Unfortunately we've all had some bad experiences, doesn't mean they're all bad. Hek Doug Miller is a natural competitor, go take a look at his pics and tell me natural supps don't work.
11-18-2009, 11:01 AM
Oh, well, how about selling it just above production cost?
There are fees and expenses involved in getting supplements out to the masses including marketing.
It cost basically the same for joe smith to market a 5.00 item to 1 mill people as it cost to market a 60.00 item to that same 1 mill people.
The difference is that with the 5.00 item at production, joe is going out of business REAL SOON!
You cannot expect someone who puts their time into a project to just flat out sell it for pennies just because a few thousand people are crying foul about the price?
If it is too expensive at 60 bucks then it s too expensive all the way around regardless if it is a sugar pill or packs on 20lbs in one month.
If you can't afford it then you can't afford it either way so it doesn't matter if it's effective or not, honestly. Well, it doesn't matter in the context from which you are speaking. As long as its not rat poison in a damn bott'e, I'm cool with whatever price it cost. If I can't afford it then I'm not buying it.
11-18-2009, 11:01 AM
And that's the kicker...where are these supplements "proven as completely worthless"? Probably via the same method that they were "proven to give massive gains".....ala anecdotal observation.
There ARE legal supps that work, they just don't tend to work as well as PH/AAS so their benefits are lost on the average joe.
11-18-2009, 11:15 AM
11-18-2009, 11:21 AM
11-18-2009, 11:23 AM
Well for me i not believed in the supplement industry crap until i start to read, learn and put in practice i discover other world but IMO some companies have my respect:
USPLabs (now i believe in god)
Primordial Performance (Outstanding)
here some companies make good products maybe not for all people or simply NOT EAT CLEAN, NOT TRAINING HARD AND NOT REST!
11-18-2009, 12:22 PM
11-18-2009, 12:53 PM
So when something is costing you 40 dollars , it should be costing us roughly £20 but no , its £40 .Even allowing for shipping and duty i think its far too much. So when a supplement doesnt work for us, it hurts twice as much.
11-18-2009, 01:01 PM
11-18-2009, 01:09 PM
interesting thread haha
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11-18-2009, 01:21 PM
What a crock. If your supplements aren't working, it's either 1) user error, or 2) you're choosing poor supplements. Wait, #2 is user error too.
Tell me RPM, Cre02, Green Bulge, Super Cissus, Purple Wraath, Primal Male, Blue Gene, Clout, Body Octane, Cordygen5, and a slew of others don't work. Please. I'm up 6lbs in 4 weeks on Primal Male and Cre02, and not doing a whole lot different than usual. Totally ineffective.
11-18-2009, 01:21 PM
11-18-2009, 01:27 PM
11-18-2009, 01:37 PM
11-18-2009, 01:54 PM
11-18-2009, 02:43 PM
Give the guy a break -there is a lot of rubbish out there coupled with supplement companies making wild claims in their advertising ,so its quite possible to have a run on supplements that have had no effect-hence his comments.
Through research on forums like this one it,and supplement review sites you can find out the supps that come well recommended but even when you read those, there'll always be somebody that they havent worked for -unfortunately thats just the way it is
He just might be one.
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