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So we all know that about 95% of supplememnts are not worth the cost to benefit ratio. Why do I keep trying them?
The only good stuff has been outlawed.
The only good stuff has been outlawed.
You are wrong there have been supps besides creatine, Steriods and stims that will help with your goals. None of these including steriods will do anything without the proper diet and training. To bash all supps because you may have been dupped into buying a product that syas you can gain 20lbs of lean muscle in 30 days is the wrong thing to do. People need to do research and not just get caught up in the marketing hype.I am mainly referring to the supplements that advertise "bone crushing muscle growth" and "mind splitting gains in strength". Or perhaps the scientific approach gets me. Pictures of scientists doing research with beakers in a lab with some percentages and different studies cited. How am I able to be tricked into trying something. I mean if 500,000 people try something 1 time then that is a huge profit for that company.
It is wild that the stuff that is effective is illegal while all the stuff that really doesnt do much is left to be unregulated. I have seen so many supplements that people have gained muscle from end up being proven as completely worthless. The only sups that have been around for years are creatine, ph/ps, and stims. All others have been bogus.
Well you haven't tried Get Diesel. He & Biotest are all I trust. Oops, forgot one, I love Jacked & Cissus by USPlabs. Biotest, all I take is Powerdrive & Spike tabs.So we all know that about 95% of supplememnts are not worth the cost to benefit ratio. Why do I keep trying them?
The only good stuff has been outlawed.
They were outlawed cause people were starting to look like you.So we all know that about 95% of supplememnts are not worth the cost to benefit ratio. Why do I keep trying them?
The only good stuff has been outlawed.
Ouch!They were outlawed cause people were starting to look like you.
I suppose that if companies would start selling their product below cost then you would be satisfied?There is no way that the very little benefit of legal supplements is worth the 50-60 bucks that alot of these sups cost.
All of these sups live there life and then die away. The only ones that I can honestly think of that have been around for a decade or more is stims and creatine. And coincidentally these are the cheapest.
I am mainly referring to the supplements that advertise "bone crushing muscle growth" and "mind splitting gains in strength". Or perhaps the scientific approach gets me. Pictures of scientists doing research with beakers in a lab with some percentages and different studies cited. How am I able to be tricked into trying something. I mean if 500,000 people try something 1 time then that is a huge profit for that company.
It is wild that the stuff that is effective is illegal while all the stuff that really doesnt do much is left to be unregulated. I have seen so many supplements that people have gained muscle from end up being proven as completely worthless. The only sups that have been around for years are creatine, ph/ps, and stims. All others have been bogus.
Consider you guys lucky , when Usa supplements come over here , the exchange rate goes out the window , all the UK based online supplement shops just put the £ sign infront instead of the $.There is no way that the very little benefit of legal supplements is worth the 50-60 bucks that alot of these sups cost.
All of these sups live there life and then die away. The only ones that I can honestly think of that have been around for a decade or more is stims and creatine. And coincidentally these are the cheapest.
Im sorry but that is a very ignorant comment. Do you even have any clue what steroids do? And if they are not "working" then your diet and training are not right.So we all know that about 95% of supplememnts are not worth the cost to benefit ratio. Why do I keep trying them?
The only good stuff has been outlawed.
is this relevant bearing in mind the forum relates to bodybuilding/fitness/mens health .i DONT see either of those contributing any benefit .WHat do you think about meth or crack?
lol, dude this is a joke, as is the clown that started this tread. But I'll delete the post.is this relevant bearing in mind the forum relates to bodybuilding/fitness/mens health .i DONT see either of those contributing any benefit .
I think Jim meant to say SX.lol, dude this is a joke, as is the clown that started this tread. But I'll delete the post.
lmao, just couldn't do it Moe.I think Jim meant to say SX.
lol.lmao, just couldn't do it Moe.
A recent trend in creatine supplementation has been the development of exotic esters and alkaline/time-released delivery systems. In developing NeoVar, we researched virtually every creatine derivative currently available before arriving with the final formulation. We analyzed numerous and often conflicting studies regarding the benefits of each and found many of the so-called improvements actually reduced the effectiveness of the products they were used in. Ultimately we elected to avoid this trend, which is proving to be more about company's efforts to differentiate their products than actual effectiveness. Some of our findings include:Beater, what are your thoughts on Neovar?
Thank you for your time you seem very knowledgeble. I was thinking about using TestoPro, do you have any opinions on that? Its a test booster.A recent trend in creatine supplementation has been the development of exotic esters and alkaline/time-released delivery systems. In developing NeoVar, we researched virtually every creatine derivative currently available before arriving with the final formulation. We analyzed numerous and often conflicting studies regarding the benefits of each and found many of the so-called improvements actually reduced the effectiveness of the products they were used in. Ultimately we elected to avoid this trend, which is proving to be more about company's efforts to differentiate their products than actual effectiveness. Some of our findings include:
1. Many of the esters and delivery systems included in some of the newer products can be potentially difficult for the body to metabolize; the creatines included in NeoVar are essentially pure creatine, water, and phosphate and contain no other byproducts that could potentially hinder utilization.
2. Esters are simply fatty acid chains attached to a parent substance (in this case, creatine) that delay absorption and/or release; the newer esterified creatines actually contain less creatine, and more fatty acid chains that have no use in any type of physiological process. Several low-quality products use versions with longer esters and are only 20-30% creatine, with the rest being useless fatty acids.
3. Recent human research studies suggest that many of the alkaline creatine delivery systems actually do not work as well as creatine phosphate or creatine monohydrate as far as absorption in the digestive system and ultimately in skeletal muscle 43.
The Applied Nutriceuticals research and development team has developed a potent and biologically efficient post-workout nutrient enhancement product. A precisely proportioned combination of Phosphocreatine and creatine monohydrate (Mono/PCr complex) is the primary element, which plays a vital role in cellular energy production by regenerating ATP in skeletal muscle and makes it available for explosive exercises 1-5. Another important component of NeoVar, Corosolic Acid is extracted from the Banaba plant, an herb that grows in India, Southeast Asia, and the Philippines. The final component of NeoVar, D-Pinitol, is a cutting-edge compound that enhances nitric oxide production and insulin sensitivity which are key factors in nutrient transport. D-Pinitol has also been suggested to enhance intramuscular creatine deposition in human clinical studies 30. The individual effects of these compounds combine synergistically to produce a dramatic positive impact on the strength, size, and endurance of skeletal muscle tissue.
That is an exert from the Neovar write up. It openly admits that these new creatines suck. Well thats all good and well now that companies have made a killing off of us. So now they say they have new cutting edge ingredients that are awesome. I am sure they got it right this time (sarcasm). I will only buy supplements that have proven themselves ie protein, creatine, bcaas, fish oil and some stims. Anything else that is "cutting edge" just means it is untested and while it costs $50-60 bucks now and packs on muscle like crazy, it will be worthless in about a year or two.
It may be awesome so it could be worth a shot. but it has a seriously high chance of taking your money and laughing on the way to the bank.
In that case he should've said "Gakic didn't work" or "Hydroxycut didn't work", not "supplements don't work".Give the guy a break -there is a lot of rubbish out there coupled with supplement companies making wild claims in their advertising ,so its quite possible to have a run on supplements that have had no effect-hence his comments.
Through research on forums like this one it,and supplement review sites you can find out the supps that come well recommended but even when you read those, there'll always be somebody that they havent worked for -unfortunately thats just the way it is
He just might be one.
Testopro was tested in a university study, and it works. Try it. Other ingredients that work (some products back by blood tests before and after) are icariin and nettle, so look for products with those.Thank you for your time you seem very knowledgeble. I was thinking about using TestoPro, do you have any opinions on that? Its a test booster.
....Consider you guys lucky , when Usa supplements come over here , the exchange rate goes out the window , all the UK based online supplement shops just put the £ sign infront instead of the $.
So when something is costing you 40 dollars , it should be costing us roughly £20 but no , its £40 .Even allowing for shipping and duty i think its far too much. So when a supplement doesnt work for us, it hurts twice as much.
VERY TO THE POINT and so true! There are a handfull of good supps! The MAJORITY are over hyped rip offs! I often feel there are too many cheerleaders on this board pumping and hyping their friends products.Out of every 100 men, ten shouldn't even be there, Eighty are just targets, Nine are the real fighters, and we are lucky to have them, for they make the battle. Ah, but the one, one is a warrior, and he will bring the others back." - Hericletus, circa 500 BC
Pretty good quote. I think this same thing applies to supplements as well.
AMEN!VERY TO THE POINT and so true! There are a handfull of good supps! The MAJORITY are over hyped rip offs! I often feel there are too many cheerleaders on this board pumping and hyping their friends products.
I am mainly referring to the supplements that advertise "bone crushing muscle growth" and "mind splitting gains in strength". Or perhaps the scientific approach gets me. Pictures of scientists doing research with beakers in a lab with some percentages and different studies cited. How am I able to be tricked into trying something. I mean if 500,000 people try something 1 time then that is a huge profit for that company.
Hmmm sounds like you had a case of muscletechonitis
actually, supplements are meant to supplement something you aren't or are already getting in your normal diet.Title of thread is misleading.
Supplements do not suck. The diets and training routines apparently suck. Thats the problem if you arent making gains.
Supplements, as their name denotes, are meant to supplement something that is already working. Not to fix something that is broken.
Agreed, however LHJO form and frequency must be dialed in to achieve synergyneovar and lhjo....nuff said! not even H-drol can compare to that stack!