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    Best caffeine free preworkout supp?


    Since i am getting a little tolerant to caffiene i want to lay off it for a while so im wondering what is the best caffeine or stim free preworkout supplement?

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    Cre-02, enough said.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ryanp81 View Post
    Cre-02, enough said.
    That or Ragnarok Caffeine Free. I have yet to try Cre-02 but DAMN does that profile look sexy. I can't wait to give it a go in the near future. I can vouch for Cre-02 in a way because I've used Cordygen5 and currently using Ultra Cordygen VO2 and have used Ragnarok CF which has the creatine(s) Cre-02 contains. From the products I've tried from MST, anything of theirs is top notch.

    Feel the true power of oxygen with the addition of MST's cordyceps, heh. (seriously)
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    DominATP is my favorite.
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    Quote Originally Posted by xpin2winx View Post
    Since i am getting a little tolerant to caffiene i want to lay off it for a while so im wondering what is the best caffeine or stim free preworkout supplement?
    Quote Originally Posted by ryanp81 View Post
    Cre-02, enough said.
    ^^^Although not technically a "preworkout" product, I would have to agree here.

    If you're only wanting to use ONE product, Cre-02 covers all the bases well enough.

    If you don't mind using more than one product the following stack will give you great energy and focus (take 45 min pre-resistance training on an empty stomach!):
    * ALCAR @ 2 grams
    * Choline Bitartrate @ 1 gram
    * Drive (as recommended on the label)
    * IGF-2 (as recommended on the label)
    * Tyrosine @ 1 gram


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    I would deff recommend trying caff free Ragnarok... Ive used both versions and I can honestly say Ive never had the urge to try another pre workout supp after being on Rag
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    Maniac only has 100g of caffeine per serving but is good for overall focus, its more of a focus pwo than a stim supp. I stack it with ALCAR, PLCAR, GLPC, and creatine monohydrate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by andrew732 View Post
    Maniac only has 100g of caffeine per serving but is good for overall focus, its more of a focus pwo than a stim supp. I stack it with ALCAR, PLCAR, GLPC, and creatine monohydrate.
    100G OMG!!! 100mg is enough to **** me up!
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    OOPS lol, 100mg not 100g LOL, sorry bout that, bit off today, LOL
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    Quote Originally Posted by andrew732 View Post
    OOPS lol, 100mg not 100g LOL, sorry bout that, bit off today, LOL
    I'm just playing, But can we get some more peoples input like more people recomending the same supp lol so we know what to try! Imma so scared of the caffeine it makes me skinny like girl!! (No offense Guejsn)
    Is creatine PWO really that noticeable? I have never tried any of the expensive creatine products like Cre-02 but if more people can get behind it this one might be a good choice, although the ragnarok includes an NO booster, hmmmm....
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    telling you DominATP is where its at for a prework out just simple and basic stuff.

    Dicreatine Malate 4500 mg
    Beta Alanine 3000 mg
    Leucine 5000 mg
    Citrulline Malate 3500 mg
    Agmatine Sulfate 500 mg

    Stuff works for me just fine.
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    I use DomainATP and like it, I combine with Essentials and joint complex, which I also use for post workout.
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    none. lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by ejl View Post
    I'm just playing, But can we get some more peoples input like more people recomending the same supp lol so we know what to try! Imma so scared of the caffeine it makes me skinny like girl!! (No offense Guejsn) Is creatine PWO really that noticeable? I have never tried any of the expensive creatine products like Cre-02 but if more people can get behind it this one might be a good choice, although the ragnarok includes an NO booster, hmmmm....
    You shouldn't be "scared" of caffeine. And if it has such noticeable effects on you then you should start eating more, period (and I am FAR from being a "skinny like girl"!)

    As for creatine pre-training, I mentioned in another thread that, since creatine is a muscle fuel, taking pre and/or during anaerobic and/or high-intensity intermittent training/exercise aids in energy for anaerobic activity and increases buffering of hydrogen ions during such exercise, etc. Taken post-training creatine aids in recovery, and co-ingestion of carbohydrates (which are essential after training) enhances the rate of absorption (Burke, et al., 2006; Green, MacDonald & Greenhaff, 1997).

    Re the creatine, you will have to try and see for yourself. Everyone will have a protocol that works best for them specifically, since everyone is difference. Some people may only use creatine pre or only post training, and others will not use it at all (i.e. non-responders).


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    Quote Originally Posted by Guejsn View Post
    You shouldn't be "scared" of caffeine. And if it has such noticeable effects on you then you should start eating more, period (and I am FAR from being a "skinny like girl"!)

    As for creatine pre-training, I mentioned in another thread that, since creatine is a muscle fuel, taking pre and/or during anaerobic and/or high-intensity intermittent training/exercise aids in energy for anaerobic activity and increases buffering of hydrogen ions during such exercise, etc. Taken post-training creatine aids in recovery, and co-ingestion of carbohydrates (which are essential after training) enhances the rate of absorption (Burke, et al., 2006; Green, MacDonald & Greenhaff, 1997).

    Re the creatine, you will have to try and see for yourself. Everyone will have a protocol that works best for them specifically, since everyone is difference. Some people may only use creatine pre or only post training, and others will not use it at all (i.e. non-responders).


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    LOL, I edited the post to try and make it non offensive but I guess it wasn't effective... I'm hypersensitive to caffeine even 50mg makes me wired and I sweat all day and can't eat, that's why I'm scared. The "skinny like girl" remark was meant to be a humorous Arnold impersonation. Sorry if I offended you, you seem like an amazing athlete that's the only reason I mentioned you at all.

    Thanks for the post I guess it's true if I want to see how pwo creatine is I'll have to try it!
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    is Ragnarok still in production? I can't find it anywhere..
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    Quote Originally Posted by msvryhof View Post
    is Ragnarok still in production? I can't find it anywhere..
    MST is preparing to release a new formula RagNOrok Ultra, and will have a caffeine-free version as usual.
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    I put my weight behind Cre02, or the new Green Bulge. If you require any sort of endurance, like HIIT, Crossfit, martial arts, etc, Cre02 is it. Nothing tops it. If you are strength oriented, say, a power-lifter, or on a bulk, use Green Bulge.
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    Ive heard about a study that says pre workout caffiene cancels out creatine ?whaddya guys think?
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    Axis Labs SLINGSHOT fits under this category very well. As does HemodrauliX.
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    I'm too strong for my own good. I won't even consume caffeine before my workouts, because the increased blood pressure activates hemoroidal(spelling) bleeding. Should I be afraid of cordyceps?
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    u should get some reset ad if your getting use to stims and recharge my friend
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    Quote Originally Posted by freezito View Post
    u should get some reset ad if your getting use to stims and recharge my friend

    I've heard that works great as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guejsn View Post
    ^^^Although not technically a "preworkout" product, I would have to agree here.

    If you're only wanting to use ONE product, Cre-02 covers all the bases well enough.

    If you don't mind using more than one product the following stack will give you great energy and focus (take 45 min pre-resistance training on an empty stomach!):
    * ALCAR @ 2 grams
    * Choline Bitartrate @ 1 gram
    * Drive (as recommended on the label)
    * IGF-2 (as recommended on the label)
    * Tyrosine @ 1 gram


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    That's a good idea, I like.
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    Quote Originally Posted by andrew732 View Post
    I use DomainATP and like it, I combine with Essentials and joint complex, which I also use for post workout.
    Looks great!
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