Help build the ultimate non hormonal stack
- 08-06-2009, 09:26 PM
Help build the ultimate non hormonal stack
Hey guys, i was planning on running a ph cycle but i gotta hold that off for a year (hopefully they're still available). So instead i gotta run a non hormonal stack. Im asking, based on your experience, what's the best products for size and strength. Diet and everything is in check (granted not all the time)so i just need a little help in the supplement department. So have at it, creatine, test boosters. etc. Help me build it.
- 08-06-2009, 09:36 PM
I like Activate, always had good results in size and strength with it
- 08-06-2009, 10:02 PM
08-06-2009, 10:20 PM
The only tribs I have tried were Prime and Testostrogrow 2 HP. Put on a few pounds with each.
08-06-2009, 10:38 PM
I like MassFX and currently running Sustain Alpha liking it. But i'd go with a creatine(Green Mag, or Trinitine), testerone booster (MassFX, DTH, Blue Up), BCAA's (purple wraith, xtend, or bulk) and something for recovery (Powerfull, Caboxy, Somindren)
08-07-2009, 12:58 AM
ADAM multivitamin is better than Activate
08-07-2009, 01:14 AM
here is what i was doing for a just over a month, and i loved the results.
heavy breakfast (four hardboiled egg whites and half cup uncooked oats), then shake three hours later. half pound of meat for lunch, and lots of veggies, with shake three hours later. for dinner, just change meat style or selection, mix with a high calorie salad, and shake before bed. basically, you eat every three hours. i took super nox... yes superdrol, and no real side affects ...as well as a 3 a day multi, mixed with nitrix from bsn. not saying you don't know what to do, just recommending this for you as a personal diet that gave me amazing results. (i gained almost fifteen pounds during that month, and currently starting my pct, also switching to no shotgun).
now, i would personally recommend super nox, but take taurine with it to help relieve any back pumps that may get uncomfortable. if you don't want to use the superdrol in the super nox, use tribulus as well as test 2, which i have heard many great things from that booster stack.
this, of course, is just my two cents worth. hopefully you find something helpful
(oh, and quik edit) i am a small guy, 5'5'' and weighed 115 prior to this new diet, so that is my personal opinion as to the rapid gains. just thought i would add that in here.
08-07-2009, 01:21 AM
Thanks for all the info guys, it really helps. Keep em coming.
08-07-2009, 02:05 AM
3 weeks in and my bench max has gone from 210 to 235, my muscles feel stronger, everything is increasing steadily. Check it out on thesupplementrating.com it's one of the top rated supps.
my total stack is...
ON gold standard Whey
NO shotgun for a pre-workout
08-07-2009, 02:24 AM
Pretty much my stack is ADAM vits, 1g fish oil, protein(all the whey;cinna bun), Xtend,creatine mono, and l-arginine for a pre work out.
I would add prime, and possible a test booster? I try to make everything as cheap as I Can becasue I am short on money. I want to try to get prime sometime soon.
08-07-2009, 07:50 AM
How much you looking to drop cash wise? Ill usually save up a few months then drop a decent amount.
My ideal non-hormonal stack (not including basic multi's and what not):
USP Labs Asteroid stack (Prime, Anabolic Pump, Powerfull)
Applied Nut. Drive And RPM if you wann ago all out on top of the Asteroid stack
Pre-lift: Jack3d or Shotgun or SuperPump250 (preference in that order)
Intra lift: Gaspari's SizeON (gained the most size while on that)
Post lift: Waxymaize + Isolate + Xtend
Bulk SuperCissus RX
For Bulking i like keeping my protein at least 2 grams per lb and take in 80-100grams of carbs with Anabolic Pump.
Also im about to try Controlled Labs: White Flood, Green Mag, and Glycer Grow to see if its better then the previously stated pre/intra/post supps.
08-07-2009, 08:15 AM
08-07-2009, 08:57 AM
08-07-2009, 10:22 AM
Whiteflood, DTH, Green Mag, Fish oil, multi, ON gold standard whey.
08-07-2009, 01:15 PM
08-07-2009, 01:17 PM
08-07-2009, 01:41 PM
I try not to throw out info without proof, but I read a study on Trib not too long ago. It basically concluded it didn't do anything for strength/mass gains. I'll see if I can dig up the study. I believe it was a Baylor study...
08-07-2009, 01:47 PM
08-07-2009, 02:59 PM
Sweet, this is all great info guys. The asteroid stack looks pretty good. Ive always heard good things about usp. So here's a little rough draft of what i want to take: asteroid stack, activate xtreme, ADAM multi, already taking ON whey (good and cheap), NO shotgun, up your mass, still not finished. Ive takin about 4 different kinds of creatine before and never noticed any effects, but ill give em another go with this stack. So whats the best/strongest creatine yall have tried. And please feel free to comment/criticize/add on as i will do.
08-07-2009, 04:07 PM
Creatine usually works real well for me especially str8 mono. Ill dose mono up to 20 grams a day at times while downing over a gallon of water.
Best creatines ive used: kre-aklyn, SizeON, Mono, and the shotgun/synthesize stack
Creatines that were crap: NO2 black(and every other creatine from MRI), cell mass, CLOUT from SAN, straight creatine ethyl ester, muscle techs super mixes, and animal pump i got nothing from
I like how your stack looks so far
08-07-2009, 05:29 PM
Ive tried the size on, and straight up mono. Which on do u prefer out of kre-alkyl and shotgun/synthesize.
08-07-2009, 05:50 PM
08-07-2009, 06:42 PM
My best results with creatine came from Green Mag
08-07-2009, 07:03 PM
I definitely like the way your stack looks right now.
For creatine, I really liked Sizeon. But, since you've already tried that I would suggest going with MAN Orotine. In fact, Clout/Body Octane would be sick in your stack as well. That's a lot of cash though, lol
08-07-2009, 07:14 PM
I think it's better to rely on word of mouth and results instead of some study.
I've gained SOLID MASS from tribs with no change in diet or training... and I was 18 at the time.
As for the Asteroid Stack, I think that's a solid choice. And as for creatine, Green Mag is the only thing I've ever benefited from.
08-07-2009, 08:14 PM
Ive been reading up on that green mag and the stuff looks pretty good. Definately on the top of my list.
08-07-2009, 08:59 PM
08-07-2009, 10:02 PM
I agree with you on that Chubbin - one Tribulus study is just that - one study. From what I have seen, Tribulus seems to work for many with low free testosterone levels (mainly older guys) and many others. As always, you just have to see what works for you. It certainly doesn't work for everyone.
08-07-2009, 10:05 PM
Marine - I can tell you that neither creatine or NO work for me at all. If you find it doesn't work for you, don't waste the money IMO. I can't explain it, but L-arginine alone gives me far better pumps than any NO or creatine product I have tried. The best thing about it is it costs $3.97 at Wal-Mart.
08-08-2009, 04:56 AM
shotgun/synthesize i think is better in the end. Kre-alkyln is just a form of creatine mono while the VPX stack has so much more.
Buying str8 Kre-alk is cheaper though
08-08-2009, 09:25 AM
Green Mag is probably the best creatine i ever took, it was the most noticeable creatine product i have taken since when phos****en came out. NOS Ether is on another level. I don't take much of the stuff people talk about so i will not comment.
08-08-2009, 09:44 AM
08-08-2009, 10:34 AM
I just got some green mag and white flood...i was thinking about taking the green mag purely post workout
....is this not the best way to take it? Or maybe one pre, one post?
Also gonna be try out glycer grow
08-08-2009, 12:20 PM
Lol, well i guess its unanimous so green mag it is. And i think ill take it post, or an hour or two pre. What do u guys think about taking during. Is there any other muscle building supps that havent been mentioned that seem promising. Again thanks for all the help and info guys.
08-08-2009, 02:22 PM
08-08-2009, 03:00 PM
I saw that thread about Myo-T12, it's a myostatin modulator. What do u guys think about that. Hopefully it doesnt end up like Folstaxan. I might just throw that in there for the hell of it.
08-08-2009, 11:38 PM
08-08-2009, 11:41 PM
Prime (personally haven't tried, but everyone I trust raves about it)
Smash Fully Loaded
08-09-2009, 12:50 AM
Alrighty, heres the semi-final stack. Asteroid stack, T911 or activate xtreme, ADAM multi, ON whey, NO shotgun, up your mass, green mag. Total estimated cost... 330, hopefully ill get a discount for buyin in bulk. I might throw in RPM and/or IGF-2. And is there any supps that help utilize test better, or does anabolic pump do that. Almost done guys, im hopeing to gain 15lbs. So hopefully this will help.
08-09-2009, 12:52 AM
Anabolic Pump has nothing to do with test. It's a nutrient uptake product...I'd personally ditch the Asteroid Stack and just go with the Prime. You don't need all that other stuff.
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