Sleep supps - how important?
- 08-27-2009, 02:58 PM
- 08-27-2009, 08:45 PM
If you are a light sleeper or do not sleep for long, then sleep supplements can be a huge pick me up. I do not sleep well normally so when I take zma i generally awake much more rested and feel more recovered in the morning. Sleep supplements and how effective they are will depend on the individual and their sleep patterns.
08-27-2009, 09:32 PM
08-27-2009, 10:47 PM
Wow this thread got screwed up in hurry. First off, anyone suggesting that S-GH contains enough phenibut to elicit ill effects or withdrawal symptoms in 100% incorrect. Most withdrawal symptoms are caused by daily dosing of 500mg-1000mg and I assure you that S-GH contains only a small fraction of that amount. We certainly use a much smaller amount than some of these companies and we use quality uncorrupted raw material. We don't recommend taking it daily as a 5 on 2 off regimen works best for any product where receptor site down regulation could come into play. Most people who get side effects from S-GH such as headaches are typically the ones who take other supposed sleep aids, prescription drugs, supplements or are taking other dopamine precursors along side S-GH. S-GH isn't meant to be a "sleep" aid. It is all about GH release and its incredibly apparent from reading this thread that people for the most part JUST DON'T GET IT. Sleep is just a pleasant effect of the product, not its main purpose. Get it straight!
In my opinion anyone suffering from social anxiety disorder for the most part should distance themselves from anything dopamine related (and most sleep aids) and should do an exhaustive amount of homework on their condition and possible aggravating compounds to their condition before putting anything into their system. Social anxiety disorder isn't something that you should trust your buddy's recommendation or try something posted to a forum thread to treat. There may be a serious neurotransmitter imbalance and self medicating or supplementing without the facts is never a good idea. 800mg of phenibut is rarely advised for someone with balanced neurochemistry let alone someone with heightened social anxiety.
To say that phenibut should be in the same class as xanax is ridiculous. Any compound can be abused!!! The terms "chemicals" & "chemical profile" has also been used in a terrible context. LOL.
Maybe we should get started on all of the people screwing their pineal glands over by taking needless amounts of exogenous melatonin before bed. Madness I tell you!
08-27-2009, 11:09 PM
08-27-2009, 11:32 PM
somn or somni is Latin for sleep. Insomnia is the inability to fall asleep.
From your own product write-up:
"Somnidren-GH™ is an ultra potent, target response sleep and growth hormone potentiator formulated to maximize recuperative REM sleep & Growth Hormone production while reducing stress and anxiety promoting a favorable anabolic environment while sleeping."
Potentiate - to increase the effect or likelihood of
Don't even try to go all semantic on me about this either. I was willing to let the phenibut issue die... but to now say Somnidren, a word you refrain from typing, is not marketed as a sleep aid??? Dude...
08-27-2009, 11:39 PM
Btw... you might want to contact the numerous online vendors who put your product in their sleep aid category. Obviously, they JUST DON'T GET IT.
08-28-2009, 12:05 AM
I can stand behind the 500-1000mg dose of phenibut because as you can see by looking the majority of studies and testimonials from phenibut dependants that its typically a half gram to a full gram of daily use that leads to dependency. I'm not saying that it can't happen at lower doses for some people but I'm saying that S-GH has a mere fraction of that per serving so yes, I can say that dependency has never been an issue in the three years its been on the market. It has never been an issue in our testing or anybody elses testing. Obviously tolerance it will vary from person to person but as we've seen a couple hundred milligrams isn't going to elicit dependency.
Somnidren-GH is far more about GH production than sleep. Thats how I can come off sounding condescending and say that people dont really get it. We don't market Somnidren-GH as a conventional sleep aid, as the term implies that it is "only going to help you sleep". S-GH is a growth hormone and sleep potentiator (as you have correctly defined as "to increase the effect or likelyhood of"). Will S-GH help you sleep? Yes! Thank God it will! Is it a conventional sleep aid as so defined by this industry? No! It's far more than that. By no means was I trying to insult your or anyone elses intelligence and I see your point and frustration but I get a little bent out of shape when S-GH is demoted to a lowly sleep aid in the minds of the masses.
08-28-2009, 12:07 AM
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08-28-2009, 07:01 AM
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08-28-2009, 08:19 AM
I like the sleep supps. Sleep/recovery is vital! Anyone here try the one by Biotest? It's super pricey but is suppose to be a great one.
08-28-2009, 09:24 AM
I'm sold on the stack I logged, totally loved it. However, I did wind up switching out the Vassive-x for just straight up arginine and ornithine. That stack helped me lose roughly 6 pounds, keep energized, and get pretty restful sleep whenever I got switched over to working nights and had to sleep during the days. Honestly didn't have any bad sides to report, other than that it's not a good thing to take if the little lady winds up feeling "Frisky" about 30 mins. after you dose it, as this stuff knocked me out, and then got me in the dog house the next day.
08-28-2009, 10:01 AM
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