Best Anti-Cortisol / Anti-Catabolic?
- 06-19-2009, 10:06 PM
- 06-20-2009, 08:32 AM
06-21-2009, 03:52 PM
06-21-2009, 06:17 PM
06-21-2009, 06:20 PM
06-21-2009, 06:43 PM
I havent tried the others but I love good ole Lean Xtreme, and now it comes as an extended release formula.
Remember why you started.
06-21-2009, 08:36 PM
man im on my last week of LX and havent noticed anything different. I have been bulking though. maybe it kept additional fat for gaining. I reallly would like a midsection fat burner. Cytolean v2 is out
06-21-2009, 10:28 PM
06-22-2009, 02:50 AM
06-22-2009, 04:24 AM
Not everyone has cortisol issues. At the end of a cycle or if your life is so stressful you can barely breath, then a cort blocker can help. If you are normal and healthy, sometimes it appears useless because you dont have an issue with it in the first place.Originally Posted by ericisfly;202, 4743
06-22-2009, 07:23 AM
You should give Blue GENE a try.
It has both anti catabolic and anti cortisol properties
And judging by your avatar you really need a haircut
06-24-2009, 09:21 AM
AFAIK there isn't a single study that shows cortisol helps with weight loss. At least not any reputable study.
Anti-cort is recommended in PCT because the theory is cortisol could be unnaturally elevated after a steroid cycle and it can be catabolic. So you want the cort blocker to help preserve your gains. But no amount of stress is going to raise your cortisol high enough to make you gain weight or attack your muscles. So no point in in using cort blockers.
The supplement companies will have you believe otherwise but the science doesn't support their claims. I wouldn't waste money an an anti-cort unless you're in PCT and even then the necessity is dubious.
06-24-2009, 07:39 PM
06-25-2009, 03:03 AM
Some people have a condition which causes them to have abnormally high cortisol levels which can have negative effects. That's true.
But raised cortisol from training, diet and stress does not wreak havoc on the body because it does not raise cortisol high enough to have any impact. Again, if you have a study that shows cortisol "wreaking havoc" on the body of healthy people pass it along.
For those who are curious, if you do a Google search you'll find two kinds of results -- those from supplement companies and propaganda sites, and legitimate sites that debunk the former.
Will a cortisol blocker help a healthy person (even if stressed, dieting, weight-trained, etc.) lose weight successfully? Absolutely NOT. And there is plenty of science to support this.
06-25-2009, 03:22 AM
06-25-2009, 11:01 PM
~ Nothing can kill the Grimace!!
06-26-2009, 02:44 AM
Here's the thing, there's plenty of info out there that shows cortisol blockers do squat with respect to weight loss for healthy people. I've researched it myself and am confident in that. The information's not hard to find but I have no motivation to do the research again because I'm not selling anything and have nothing to gain. My recommendation is that you do the research before you spend the money.
BTW - Research does NOT mean reading product FAQs or supplement company websites.
Just to prove I'm not blowing smoke here's a very specific article from the Mayo Clinic - http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/cor...ockers/AN01275
And here's another - http://ezinearticles.com/?The-Truth-...ers!&id=940574
There are countless others.
Chew on that.
06-26-2009, 04:39 AM
there is evidence all over the place. I also agree that research is not reading a companies FAQ and people should research.
I'll take a look at the links you posted. I haven't yet.
06-26-2009, 04:44 AM
I like Lean Xtreme.
but would like to try Lean-FX
I only use them post cycle...other wise I don't see much effects...
06-26-2009, 05:18 AM
06-26-2009, 03:14 PM
Ive used Lean-FX before and the older Retain2 and I had noticeable fat loss from my abdomen on both in a very short time. In fact the first time I took retain2 the very next morning my stomach was leaner. I was not coming off cycle either time and I highly doubt it was a placebo effect.
06-26-2009, 05:29 PM
I've also used Retain2, a while back, with similar effects...most noticable was a leaner looking stomach/more visible abs...
06-26-2009, 05:45 PM
i have been using lean fx for about 2 weeks now and i can tell its working, ive lost 4 pounds and my strength is still rising with my weight training so i know im not loosing muscle
06-27-2009, 05:49 PM
06-27-2009, 05:52 PM
Anyhow, if you're thinking about using any of these products then doing your own legitimate research will lead you to the same conclusion I made. You don't need me to provide the proof. We all have to look out for ourselves. In this case it's very easy to find the lack of scientific support for cortisol blockers.
If it was something that posed more of a "research challenge" I'd be more willing to help but the uselessness of cort blockers is a no-brainer.
That being said, as I stated before, cort blockers may have some use in PCT if steroid use leads to unhealthy cortisol levels. I've read in the forums that this may be possible but I don't know if that's true or not. So there may be a legitimate use of these products in PCT.
06-27-2009, 07:12 PM
I have to disagree:
Granted, starvation is at the extreme end of the spectrum but it does provide correlatory evidence that cortisol is involved.
I've also found that the journal "Nutrition" published by Elsevier has a lot good info on the subject (plus a lot of other fun sh*t to read).
06-28-2009, 01:35 AM
Your 2nd article again fails to recognize that we are talking about individuals who are dieting and training and only talks of those who consider this to be a "magic pill".
Most of the research done lately has been done on DHEA metabolites in trauma patients and effects against radiation. However, the results of a great many individuals says otherwise. Either everyone is on the placebo effect or they work.
One article (with real works cited) talks of what we know specifically of DHEA metabolites.
He talks of future research and the preliminary implications, besides the facts we do know.
Again, if it's so easy to find evidence not supporting it, show it! If these products showed no promise, guess what: No company would make them. If they didn't work and the evidence was ample, then their would be plenty of people showing the research and debunking every claim made by companies who make these type of products. None have stepped forward. The burden of proof is on the one who is making the claims. That person this whole time has been you.
06-28-2009, 04:29 AM
Waste your money on cortisol blockers if you want. Doesn't hurt me in the least. Please keep the supplement companies in business so they can come up with a useful product from time to time.
I don't need to convince you or anyone else of anything. I've posted my views and other intelligent people who read this thread in the future can make up their own minds.
If you've seen any legitimate studies not funded (or invented) by supplement companies which leads you to believe cort blockers work then good for you. But if you think that the mere fact that companies make cort blockers means that they must work, well then you have a lot to learn.
This has been beaten to death so I don't think continuing this discussion is productive.
06-28-2009, 05:08 AM
lol u cant be serious? Do you realize like 95% of supplements dont work? They just are pushed through marketing schemes and "good bro" putting up good reviews.Originally Posted by joeflex73
Prime (no pun intended) example: USPLabs (Prime-stronger than d bol, no evidence backing it, good bros on AM sucking Jacobs **** off 24/7=sales)
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06-28-2009, 06:30 AM
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