Best Anti-Cortisol / Anti-Catabolic?

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  1. Best Anti-Cortisol / Anti-Catabolic?


    So what do you think is the best Anti-Cortisol / Anti-Catabolic?? I want something that is NON PH and NON AAS... So far the best thing I've found is AX Lean-FX. Is that a good choice and/or what is your opinion on possible better alternatives??


  2. Quote Originally Posted by WSPHXPELON View Post
    So what do you think is the best Anti-Cortisol / Anti-Catabolic?? I want something that is NON PH and NON AAS... So far the best thing I've found is AX Lean-FX. Is that a good choice and/or what is your opinion on possible better alternatives??
    Lean FX is top notch. It's as good as it gets on the market right now. The inclusions of Aneurin DBE and Cha de' Bugre in the formula is what separates it from the rest. It's not in as large of a dose as you see in SX and it's function is different here. A-DBE will definitely help improve mood and Cha de' Bugre will help suppress appetite and keep cravings low. It's THE choice if you're looking to lean out.
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  3. Okay, thanks for the advice!

  4. A cheap phosphatidyl serine supplement would probably do the trick.

  5. Cissus plus VatAttack ftw
    doing my own thang!
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  6. I havent tried the others but I love good ole Lean Xtreme, and now it comes as an extended release formula.
    Remember why you started.

  7. man im on my last week of LX and havent noticed anything different. I have been bulking though. maybe it kept additional fat for gaining. I reallly would like a midsection fat burner. Cytolean v2 is out

  8. I've used LX with decent results. When that runs out I'm giving Lean-FX a shot, it looks good.

  9. Look into running a transdermal 7keto. I got really good results of that.

  10. Quote Originally Posted by ericisfly;202, 4743
    man im on my last week of LX and havent noticed anything different. I have been bulking though. maybe it kept additional fat for gaining. I reallly would like a midsection fat burner. Cytolean v2 is out
    Not everyone has cortisol issues. At the end of a cycle or if your life is so stressful you can barely breath, then a cort blocker can help. If you are normal and healthy, sometimes it appears useless because you dont have an issue with it in the first place.

  11. You should give Blue GENE a try.

    It has both anti catabolic and anti cortisol properties

    And judging by your avatar you really need a haircut

  12. AFAIK there isn't a single study that shows cortisol helps with weight loss. At least not any reputable study.

    Anti-cort is recommended in PCT because the theory is cortisol could be unnaturally elevated after a steroid cycle and it can be catabolic. So you want the cort blocker to help preserve your gains. But no amount of stress is going to raise your cortisol high enough to make you gain weight or attack your muscles. So no point in in using cort blockers.

    The supplement companies will have you believe otherwise but the science doesn't support their claims. I wouldn't waste money an an anti-cort unless you're in PCT and even then the necessity is dubious.

  13. Quote Originally Posted by LAGear View Post
    AFAIK there isn't a single study that shows cortisol helps with weight loss. At least not any reputable study.

    Anti-cort is recommended in PCT because the theory is cortisol could be unnaturally elevated after a steroid cycle and it can be catabolic. So you want the cort blocker to help preserve your gains. But no amount of stress is going to raise your cortisol high enough to make you gain weight or attack your muscles. So no point in in using cort blockers.

    The supplement companies will have you believe otherwise but the science doesn't support their claims. I wouldn't waste money an an anti-cort unless you're in PCT and even then the necessity is dubious.
    Do you have any idea how cortisol functions? I am going to say no. Extreme cases of high cortisol is called Cushing's syndrome. Want to know it's most common symptom? Weight gain. Now, we're not dealing with people who have Cushing's, nor are we marketing pharmaceuticals. These products will help negate the negative effects that raised cortisol from training, dieting and life stress wreaks on the body. To say that cortisol has no/negligible effect on the average person is ignorant. Is it make or break to diet success? No. No supplement is. Will it help a person lose weight successfully? Absolutely.

  14. Quote Originally Posted by joeflex73 View Post
    Do you have any idea how cortisol functions? I am going to say no. Extreme cases of high cortisol is called Cushing's syndrome. Want to know it's most common symptom? Weight gain. Now, we're not dealing with people who have Cushing's, nor are we marketing pharmaceuticals. These products will help negate the negative effects that raised cortisol from training, dieting and life stress wreaks on the body. To say that cortisol has no/negligible effect on the average person is ignorant. Is it make or break to diet success? No. No supplement is. Will it help a person lose weight successfully? Absolutely.
    I should have clarified that a normal, healthy human being is not going to have cortisol levels high enough to trigger weight gain. If there's a study that shows cortisol blockers help with weight loss in healthy people then I'd love to see it.

    Some people have a condition which causes them to have abnormally high cortisol levels which can have negative effects. That's true.

    But raised cortisol from training, diet and stress does not wreak havoc on the body because it does not raise cortisol high enough to have any impact. Again, if you have a study that shows cortisol "wreaking havoc" on the body of healthy people pass it along.

    For those who are curious, if you do a Google search you'll find two kinds of results -- those from supplement companies and propaganda sites, and legitimate sites that debunk the former.

    Will a cortisol blocker help a healthy person (even if stressed, dieting, weight-trained, etc.) lose weight successfully? Absolutely NOT. And there is plenty of science to support this.

  15. Quote Originally Posted by LAGear View Post
    I should have clarified that a normal, healthy human being is not going to have cortisol levels high enough to trigger weight gain. If there's a study that shows cortisol blockers help with weight loss in healthy people then I'd love to see it.

    Some people have a condition which causes them to have abnormally high cortisol levels which can have negative effects. That's true.

    But raised cortisol from training, diet and stress does not wreak havoc on the body because it does not raise cortisol high enough to have any impact. Again, if you have a study that shows cortisol "wreaking havoc" on the body of healthy people pass it along.

    For those who are curious, if you do a Google search you'll find two kinds of results -- those from supplement companies and propaganda sites, and legitimate sites that debunk the former.

    Will a cortisol blocker help a healthy person (even if stressed, dieting, weight-trained, etc.) lose weight successfully? Absolutely NOT. And there is plenty of science to support this.
    Please, produce said science if it is indeed in abundance. If this is real, then you can be helping people. If not, then it's strictly your word against a lot of other peoples.

  16. Quote Originally Posted by WSPHXPELON View Post
    So what do you think is the best Anti-Cortisol / Anti-Catabolic?? I want something that is NON PH and NON AAS... So far the best thing I've found is AX Lean-FX. Is that a good choice and/or what is your opinion on possible better alternatives??
    If you need a good Anti-Cort product look into Suppress C. Got a great deal going on at NP right now too!!

    http://www.nutraplanet.com/product/c...-c-120-ml.html
    ~ Nothing can kill the Grimace!!



  17. Quote Originally Posted by joeflex73 View Post
    Please, produce said science if it is indeed in abundance. If this is real, then you can be helping people. If not, then it's strictly your word against a lot of other peoples.
    Bro, you could say that watching Larry King causes weight loss and then I'll refute that claim. Then you'd want me to produce science proving that watching Larry King doesn't result in weight loss? It doesn't work that way. People who are trying to prove that something works in a specific way need to provide the proof.

    Here's the thing, there's plenty of info out there that shows cortisol blockers do squat with respect to weight loss for healthy people. I've researched it myself and am confident in that. The information's not hard to find but I have no motivation to do the research again because I'm not selling anything and have nothing to gain. My recommendation is that you do the research before you spend the money.

    BTW - Research does NOT mean reading product FAQs or supplement company websites.

    Just to prove I'm not blowing smoke here's a very specific article from the Mayo Clinic - http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/cor...ockers/AN01275

    And here's another - http://ezinearticles.com/?The-Truth-...ers!&****940574

    There are countless others.

    Chew on that.

  18. Quote Originally Posted by LAGear View Post
    Bro, you could say that watching Larry King causes weight loss and then I'll refute that claim. Then you'd want me to produce science proving that watching Larry King doesn't result in weight loss? It doesn't work that way. People who are trying to prove that something works in a specific way need to provide the proof.

    Here's the thing, there's plenty of info out there that shows cortisol blockers do squat with respect to weight loss for healthy people. I've researched it myself and am confident in that. The information's not hard to find but I have no motivation to do the research again because I'm not selling anything and have nothing to gain. My recommendation is that you do the research before you spend the money.

    BTW - Research does NOT mean reading product FAQs or supplement company websites.

    Just to prove I'm not blowing smoke here's a very specific article from the Mayo Clinic - http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/cor...ockers/AN01275

    And here's another - http://ezinearticles.com/?The-Truth-...ers!&****940574

    There are countless others.

    Chew on that.
    Actually it does work that way. You're the one who said it, so the burden of proof is on you, not me. The OP was about which cortisol blocking products work the best. You came in spouting they all are a waste of money and that
    there is evidence all over the place. I also agree that research is not reading a companies FAQ and people should research.

    I'll take a look at the links you posted. I haven't yet.

  19. I like Lean Xtreme.

    but would like to try Lean-FX

    I only use them post cycle...other wise I don't see much effects...

  20. Quote Originally Posted by FitModel View Post
    I like Lean Xtreme.

    but would like to try Lean-FX

    I only use them post cycle...other wise I don't see much effects...
    Same here.
    Remember why you started.

  21. Ive used Lean-FX before and the older Retain2 and I had noticeable fat loss from my abdomen on both in a very short time. In fact the first time I took retain2 the very next morning my stomach was leaner. I was not coming off cycle either time and I highly doubt it was a placebo effect.

  22. I've also used Retain2, a while back, with similar effects...most noticable was a leaner looking stomach/more visible abs...

  23. i have been using lean fx for about 2 weeks now and i can tell its working, ive lost 4 pounds and my strength is still rising with my weight training so i know im not loosing muscle

  24. Gotta love placebo effects. The mind is the most potent drug on the planet.

  25. Quote Originally Posted by joeflex73 View Post
    Actually it does work that way. You're the one who said it, so the burden of proof is on you, not me. The OP was about which cortisol blocking products work the best. You came in spouting they all are a waste of money and that
    there is evidence all over the place. I also agree that research is not reading a companies FAQ and people should research.

    I'll take a look at the links you posted. I haven't yet.
    Not when the people pushing the product never provided any legitimate scientific evidence proving their product works in the first place. The burden of proof is always on the person making the claim that something works. Always. Otherwise we have a world where even the most ridiculous claims are considered true until they are disproved. It just doesn't work that way.

    Anyhow, if you're thinking about using any of these products then doing your own legitimate research will lead you to the same conclusion I made. You don't need me to provide the proof. We all have to look out for ourselves. In this case it's very easy to find the lack of scientific support for cortisol blockers.

    If it was something that posed more of a "research challenge" I'd be more willing to help but the uselessness of cort blockers is a no-brainer.

    That being said, as I stated before, cort blockers may have some use in PCT if steroid use leads to unhealthy cortisol levels. I've read in the forums that this may be possible but I don't know if that's true or not. So there may be a legitimate use of these products in PCT.
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