Best Pre-Workout Vasodilator

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  1. Best Pre-Workout Vasodilator


    I'm trying to find the best pre-workout pump product that is light on the stims. (just looking for vascularity without all the caffeine/speed in the product)

    I've read many similar posts, but never seem to get a clear answer. I've tried 4 of them: NoXplode, SuperPump, WhiteFlood, and Ragnarok.

    From my personal experience, I've tried all four and will rank them. (These are ranked to my personal preference......stim cravers may disagree with me):

    1. SuperPump - Great pumps, good energy with no heart palpitations
    2. Ragnarok - Same as SuperPump....I may like this even better, but only tried a sample
    3. NoXplode - Good pump, too much "tingly" factor with the beta alanine
    4. WhiteFlood - Stim cravers may love it, but I'm way too sensitive to this......my heartbeat got way too high. I only tried a sample, but it was way too much stims for me.

    My current favorite that I use is SuperPump, but I may buy Ragnarok next go round since I was impressed with the sample.

    Please share your experience with other preworkout pump products here. Pump/stim comparison is much appreciated for stim weaklings like me.

    Get big!
    Last edited by MF210; 04-27-2009 at 02:41 AM. Reason: tried four, not three


  2. Powerfull I really like.

    A carb helper like P'slin or Glycobal would also be an idea.

  3. if you don't like stims and just want a pump, try Gaspari Plasmajet. you can get a sample pack at GNC to try it.

    it works really well for me when i use it (i usually use sp250 or Animal Pump pre-wo).

    also, you can try Animal Pump. all of the stims are in the red pill which you can remove. Animal Pump is my favorite pre-wo and this is one of the reasons.
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  4. Food pump is always amazing so something like Anabolic Pump or P-slin has worked well for me.

    Ragnarok is great and you can go with Caffeine free version if you really wanna cut the stims out.

    Glycergrow is a cheap and effective way to get great pumps.

    Finally I loved AEN Presurge and MAN Blueprint is very impressive right now for me.
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  5. If your looking for a pre-workout pump product with little or no stims you might want to check out Hemodraulix. It contains no stims and you can get a free sample at another retailer. We also offer samples on our Web site for only 99 cents.

    Another option to consider is NO shotgun. I'm using it right now and think it delivers good pumps/vascularity. There is minimal energy unless you use two scoops (recommended serving size is 1 scoop)

  6. If you are looking for a pre-workout stim I would highly suggest NO_Shotgun. All around the best pre-workout product, IMHO. Hemodraulix is very good if you just want the pump without the stim. I'm currently using plasmajet 2 hrs prior to workout and then NO_SHotgun 30 min prior and the pump is rediculous. Ragnarok was a bust for me. Not nearly enough energy and zero pump. Many seem to really like it, but I wander if it is because it tastes good...

  7. I am also looking for a good pre workout supp, but I'm taking NO2 and don't want to stack 2 NO products.

  8. Not to thread jack, but there is also the option of making your own pre-workout supp mix (capped or mixed as a drink). Does anyone have a recipe they would recommend?

  9. Quote Originally Posted by Beau View Post
    Not to thread jack, but there is also the option of making your own pre-workout supp mix (capped or mixed as a drink). Does anyone have a recipe they would recommend?
    Personally, I've gotten a great (almost painful!) pump just from NutraPlanet Arginine Ethyl Ester Powder and Creatine monohydrate. I've just been taking 1/4 tsp AEE morning and post-workout with normal Creatine dosage. It did take about a week or so for the AEE to build up in my system but the stuff lasts forever at this dosage.



    Also, first post!!! woohoo!

  10. Quote Originally Posted by MF210 View Post
    I'm trying to find the best pre-workout pump product that is light on the stims. (just looking for vascularity without all the caffeine/speed in the product)

    I've read many similar posts, but never seem to get a clear answer. I've tried 4 of them: NoXplode, SuperPump, WhiteFlood, and Ragnarok.

    From my personal experience, I've tried all four and will rank them. (These are ranked to my personal preference......stim cravers may disagree with me):

    1. SuperPump - Great pumps, good energy with no heart palpitations
    2. Ragnarok - Same as SuperPump....I may like this even better, but only tried a sample
    3. NoXplode - Good pump, too much "tingly" factor with the beta alanine
    4. WhiteFlood - Stim cravers may love it, but I'm way too sensitive to this......my heartbeat got way too high. I only tried a sample, but it was way too much stims for me.

    My current favorite that I use is SuperPump, but I may buy Ragnarok next go round since I was impressed with the sample.

    Please share your experience with other preworkout pump products here. Pump/stim comparison is much appreciated for stim weaklings like me.

    Get big!

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  11. Quote Originally Posted by bolt10 View Post
    Food pump is always amazing so something like Anabolic Pump or P-slin has worked well for me.

    Ragnarok is great and you can go with Caffeine free version if you really wanna cut the stims out.

    Glycergrow is a cheap and effective way to get great pumps.

    Finally I loved AEN Presurge and MAN Blueprint is very impressive right now for me.
    It's not that I want to completely cut the stims out, I like some caffeine in the product. But for example, with SuperPump, I can only take 1 scoop b/c of the stim content. I'm not sure how much caffeine is in one scoop of SuperPump, but I'd like to have a product with that amount of caffeine and 3X the amount of vascularity factor. Let me know if you have any recommendations based on that, and thanks for the replies so far.

  12. Why don't you stack superpump with plasmajet then. It's amazing.

  13. I recently tried a newer product called Eponox from xero limits. Expected nothing...got awesome pumps. SuperPump 250 gave me stomach issues and I needed 3 scoops to even feel a thing. I really like USPlabs Jacked when it original came out. New formula is not nearly as good. The NO Shotgun V3 is awesome as well...stacked with SynthaSize, so good.

  14. Quote Originally Posted by mattx731 View Post
    I recently tried a newer product called Eponox from xero limits. Expected nothing...got awesome pumps. SuperPump 250 gave me stomach issues and I needed 3 scoops to even feel a thing. I really like USPlabs Jacked when it original came out. New formula is not nearly as good. The NO Shotgun V3 is awesome as well...stacked with SynthaSize, so good.
    What do you not like about the new Jack3d? The new version contains even more ingredients per scoop than the original.

  15. Idk what it is but the original formula just gave me way better energy and pumps. I have tried the new formula once and wasn't as impressed.

  16. Quote Originally Posted by mattx731 View Post
    Idk what it is but the original formula just gave me way better energy and pumps. I have tried the new formula once and wasn't as impressed.
    Strange! Sorry to hear that, though!

  17. Willing to give it another chance. It's inexpensive enough. The price is definitly right

  18. My favorite preworkout pump products are Jack3d and Plasmajet... I also sometimes pick up some shock therapy
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  19. Jack3d and White Flood are very good we will also be coming out with Maniac part of out White Label line it will be a very good pre-wo supp.
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  20. I also like Hemodraulix!

    I've also had some of the best workouts of my life when I was taking P-Slin!

    I don't have a lot of experience in this arena though...I usually just pop a few RPM and make a shake with Beta Alanine, Cit Malate, and Creatine.

  21. Quote Originally Posted by joebo View Post
    If you are looking for a pre-workout stim I would highly suggest NO_Shotgun. All around the best pre-workout product, IMHO. Hemodraulix is very good if you just want the pump without the stim. I'm currently using plasmajet 2 hrs prior to workout and then NO_SHotgun 30 min prior and the pump is rediculous. Ragnarok was a bust for me. Not nearly enough energy and zero pump. Many seem to really like it, but I wander if it is because it tastes good...
    you can also go with synthesize same formula same company minus the stims so pump is the same.

  22. Additional reviews on Nitric Oxide products.

    http://www.thesupplementrating.com/listb.php?id=78

  23. Marijuana.

  24. Quote Originally Posted by ozarkaBRAND View Post
    Marijuana.
    Funny, but don't put the thread off topic.

  25. Quote Originally Posted by MF210 View Post
    Funny, but don't put the thread off topic.
    Wasn't meant to be funny. It's a legitimate suggestion.

  26. Quote Originally Posted by ozarkaBRAND View Post
    Wasn't meant to be funny. It's a legitimate suggestion.
    Fair enough then. I highly disagree, and advise other not to listen to this advice.

  27. Try KreOxi Pump from Procard Nutrition by Chris Aceto. It's the only Pump product with KreAlkalyn and quercetin which creates a killer self sustaining pump. He added the quercetin specifically for competitive bodybuilders. It gives you an incredibly consistent pump with very little stimulant effects. As Chris always says to me, "if it's screwing up your mind, it's probably screwing up your progress."

  28. Quote Originally Posted by Abdullah411 View Post
    Try KreOxi Pump from Procard Nutrition by Chris Aceto. It's the only Pump product with KreAlkalyn and quercetin which creates a killer self sustaining pump. He added the quercetin specifically for competitive bodybuilders. It gives you an incredibly consistent pump with very little stimulant effects. As Chris always says to me, "if it's screwing up your mind, it's probably screwing up your progress."
    Hmmm.....doesn't Chris live in Maine? Any hidden agenda here? LOL.

    Just kidding, Chris is a good guy and knows his stuff.

  29. if you don't want to spend massive dollars on big name pre-workout supps, you could try this simple (and athlete friendly) stack 30-40 mins pre-workout/training

    niacin (vit b3) in the form of nicotinic acid - 100mg
    no-doz plus - caffeine 100mg, nicotinic acid 10mg
    a magnesium/electrolyte rehydration formula such as endura (also good to have some in your water bottle for during and after)

    nicotinic acid is a vasodilator and affects the release of triglycerides and cholesterol, magnesium is required for reducing lactic acid and will increase your endurance (hence good to load up beforehand), caffeine will help with focus and 'psyching up' as well as having a nice thermogenic effect.

    just another direction you could go in
  30. Talking KreOxi Pump


    Quote Originally Posted by MF210 View Post
    Hmmm.....doesn't Chris live in Maine? Any hidden agenda here? LOL.

    Just kidding, Chris is a good guy and knows his stuff.

    I go out of my way to plug Chris. When I moved to Maine, he did a lot for me and is just a genuinely knowledgeable and personable guy. He doesn't BS and always takes the time to make sure his clients are doing the right thing. I didn't have the cash to shell out to hire him, but he helped me out anyway. He was excited about his line and spent the money to put the necessary stuff in them instead of skimping. So...I do have an agenda which is to get people of of the wonder drugs with fillers and cheap stuff and things that make your head explode. I don't even go on BB boards much and am just trying to spread the word because I believe in him and all of his knowledge and dedication.

  31. Quote Originally Posted by delsolrob View Post
    I also like Hemodraulix!

    I've also had some of the best workouts of my life when I was taking P-Slin!

    I don't have a lot of experience in this arena though...I usually just pop a few RPM and make a shake with Beta Alanine, Cit Malate, and Creatine.
    I like the sound of that combo. Do you sip this during the workout or down it all before your workout?

  32. I really like Scivation Vasocharge. Its the bomb.

  33. Sorry to bump, but here is my opinion.

    Most of the main brands have a sh&%load of caffeine, so I can only handle 1 scoop. After research and experimenting, I think one scoop of something like superpump or no-xplode, etc, combined with an AAKG supplement works well for me. That way I don't get too much caffeine, but I get the nice arginine pump. My pumps are better with a scoop of superpump and 1/2-1 serving of aakg powder than with any prohormone cycle I've taken.

    Just my personal experience.....Best of luck!

  34. Not sure if this makes any sense at all, but I had my best vasodilation (though only noticed by surface vascularity) by using topical formestane.

    Not sure of the connection there but it worked =].

  35. Jack3d is awesome, but is more of a focus energy type product for me. Pumps are some what not existent with jack3d, but the energy is better then anything I have used so far. An all around great product that is severely underrated is the lebrada supercharged pre-workout powder two scoops is awesome.

  36. Quote Originally Posted by Jag View Post
    I like the sound of that combo. Do you sip this during the workout or down it all before your workout?
    Bumping my own post!!

    I've actually been doing this for a while now and getting great pumps.

    Since adding the Creatine Mono my strength has increased and the burn/pain i get from exercises like leg extensions and high rep calf raises etc. seems to have diminished abling me to get some more reps in with heavier weights.

    Great stack, very simple and i highly recommend others try it. I wouldn't even bother looking for anything else to add to it as it covers all bases as it is.

  37. all these rediculous no products, like no-shotgun, xplode, blah blah blah. Half of them are WAY overpriced and don't make much of a difference from one another.

    I recommend, the cheapest one, USP jacked...it works pretty well. Super Pump 250 is the most expensive joke ever. It works at the cost of breaking yout bank....that money should be used for the post-workout steak+potatoes.

    Additionally, most of your true "pump" comes from eating pre-workout carbohydrates and drinking water during your routine.


    And when it comes to creatine, again, all this cee, krealklyn, blah blah..... I've taken original monohydrate and I'm using Green Magnitude. Honestly, the only difference between Green Mag and the cheap monohydrate is $$$, and a little less water weight. I actually like the water weight from monohydrate. Again, I recommened using the cheapest, tried, and true staple supplements unless your talking steroid/ph's.

  38. Quote Originally Posted by monsterbox View Post
    all these rediculous no products, like no-shotgun, xplode, blah blah blah. Half of them are WAY overpriced and don't make much of a difference from one another.

    I recommend, the cheapest one, USP jacked...it works pretty well. Super Pump 250 is the most expensive joke ever. It works at the cost of breaking yout bank....that money should be used for the post-workout steak+potatoes.
    No shotgun is good stuff, Im guessing you've never used it... or even looked into what is in it, have you? It gives a good boost in energy(contains redline and meltdown technology) and also has 20g of quality protein per scoop. It is not overpriced either(imo), $30-40(price of a tub) gets you 28 servings(that is 28 workouts). Jacked is good stuff as well but I don't get 28 workouts out of a tub of Jacked, so its not really cheaper than no shotgun.

  39. Quote Originally Posted by monsterbox View Post
    all these rediculous no products, like no-shotgun, xplode, blah blah blah. Half of them are WAY overpriced and don't make much of a difference from one another.

    I recommend, the cheapest one, USP jacked...it works pretty well. Super Pump 250 is the most expensive joke ever. It works at the cost of breaking yout bank....that money should be used for the post-workout steak+potatoes.

    Additionally, most of your true "pump" comes from eating pre-workout carbohydrates and drinking water during your routine.


    And when it comes to creatine, again, all this cee, krealklyn, blah blah..... I've taken original monohydrate and I'm using Green Magnitude. Honestly, the only difference between Green Mag and the cheap monohydrate is $$$, and a little less water weight. I actually like the water weight from monohydrate. Again, I recommened using the cheapest, tried, and true staple supplements unless your talking steroid/ph's.
    I've always been sceptical of all in products.

    I'm using Purple Wraath at the moment. It's o.k. but i probably wouldn't buy it again. Others love it though and it come with some glowing reviews but just not for me.

    I've had allergies to certain additives, preservatives, colurs etc. so i prefer to make my own homebrews. I buy Citrulline Malate and Beta Alanine from N.P. Very happy with these but Creapure Creatine Mono and Whey i buy here in Oz real cheap and real good quality.

    Just have more tubs sitting on the kitchen bench that's all.

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