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    Just got accepted to police department and i am looking to bulk up. I have heard good gains using prohormons. I have also been told to stay away from them. I need to bulk up and gain strenght. I have been working out for about a year now but nothing too serious. I am 5'6, 160 pounds, i work out about 4 days a week. I'm currently taking a protein shake, BCAA (4 a day) and L-Glutamine. (recommended by nutri shop)

    I have gone on nutraplanet and found alot of stuff, but what works. I know there is alot of junk out there. I did come across this stack.. what do u guys think...
    Alri Ultima Stack (Bad Ass Mass, Jungle Warfare, Pro Anabol)

    Your input is appreciated...

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    first thing to understand is that the supplements wont do the work for you. there merely an aid to help supplement your diet. first off what is your training regime? also, what do you usually eat throughout the day?
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    Ok first of all I wouldnt go near that stack you just mentioned. If I remember correctly, jungle warfare is a SUPERDROL CLONE and is a very potent/ toxic 17aa steroid. If your intentions are bulking up, I strongly suggest that you increase your calorie and protein intake before you go anywhere near prohormones. You dont need them to make solid gains and not to be a dic*, but you obviously havent done your research. In my opinion, I say drop the glutamine and maybe supplement with some creatine. Your diet and training will get you where you want.
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    Jungle Warefare is NOT a superdrol clone. However, it is a mild prohormone. But, you still stay away from it. Take a look at the Anabolic Xtreme's Mass fx, hyperdrol x2 and lean fx stack..
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    Check out Trenadrol from kilosports.

    Dont forget about proper post cycle therapy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ozzieramirez View Post
    Just got accepted to police department and i am looking to bulk up. I have heard good gains using prohormons. I have also been told to stay away from them. I need to bulk up and gain strength. I have been working out for about a year now but nothing too serious. I am 5'6, 160 pounds, i work out about 4 days a week. I'm currently taking a protein shake, BCAA (4 a day) and L-Glutamine. (recommended by nutri shop)

    I have gone on nutraplanet and found alot of stuff, but what works. I know there is alot of junk out there. I did come across this stack.. what do u guys think...
    Alri Ultima Stack (Bad Ass Mass, Jungle Warfare, Pro Anabol)

    Your input is appreciated...
    first off, congrats on the acceptance to the Dept. trying to get on one myself right now. keep in mind before the academy you might have to pass a drug test. now most Dept's. will not test for steroids, but i would not take the chance, especially due to how much of a pain in the a$$ it can be getting the opportunity to become an officer. but anyway, after the academy i would start with food first. what does you diet look like? are you getting enough cals? please post and let's start with that first, and then after the academy will can look into a proper PS/PH. by then you can do more research into the effects of, and a proper PCT for them also.
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    yea i passed the written test and physical test but i didn't pass the pre-investigative interview because they asked how many tickets i've have over the last 7 years.... they said it didn't matter if i got it cleared through traffic school ... sigh... they said to wait till 2010 ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by bigpoppapump2 View Post
    Jungle Warefare is NOT a superdrol clone. However, it is a mild prohormone. But, you still stay away from it. Take a look at the Anabolic Xtreme's Mass fx, hyperdrol x2 and lean fx stack..




    Jungle Warfare 17a-methyl-5a-dehydroetiocholane-4,6-dien-3-one-17-ol.

    Superdrol - 2a, 17a-dimethyl-5a-androst-3-one-17b-ol

    Pretty damn close
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    Quote Originally Posted by wolverines View Post
    Jungle Warfare 17a-methyl-5a-dehydroetiocholane-4,6-dien-3-one-17-ol.

    Superdrol - 2a, 17a-dimethyl-5a-androst-3-one-17b-ol

    Pretty damn close
    you're joking, right?
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    Quote Originally Posted by wolverines View Post
    Jungle Warfare 17a-methyl-5a-dehydroetiocholane-4,6-dien-3-one-17-ol.

    Superdrol - 2a, 17a-dimethyl-5a-androst-3-one-17b-ol

    Pretty damn close

    wow...you dont have a clue do you
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    Quote Originally Posted by bigpoppapump2 View Post
    Jungle Warefare is NOT a superdrol clone. However, it is a mild prohormone. But, you still stay away from it. Take a look at the Anabolic Xtreme's Mass fx, hyperdrol x2 and lean fx stack..

    YOU WILL STAY AWAY FROM IT....hahahhahah did you just use your powers of the force on him...whatever yoda...pretty presumptous...op- we still need your workout history and diet info to really help you...but short of that it just sounds like you need a year or two of eating heavy and training heavy before you mess with teh steroids....now, on the other hand dat dere celltech....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Delita420 View Post
    If you'd like to delve into the dark side, check out RPN Havoc.
    can i ask why ur suggesting steroids to someone who has only worked out for a year and even said himself he's not lifting seriously.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jsp0785 View Post
    can i ask why ur suggesting steroids to someone who has only worked out for a year and even said himself he's not lifting seriously.
    Good ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by jsp0785 View Post
    can i ask why ur suggesting steroids to someone who has only worked out for a year and even said himself he's not lifting seriously.
    no...
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    Quote Originally Posted by lennoxchi View Post
    you're joking, right?
    I don't think it was a joke. I think he's playing the "match" game and is comparing like terms in the string of chemical compounds. It would be similar to saying an ostretch is a bird and has wings so it can fly. It is these pooly understanding souls, just as this new police officer, which need to be taught and provided positive support.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mooch2321 View Post
    YOU WILL STAY AWAY FROM IT....hahahhahah did you just use your powers of the force on him...whatever yoda...pretty presumptous...op- we still need your workout history and diet info to really help you...but short of that it just sounds like you need a year or two of eating heavy and training heavy before you mess with teh steroids....now, on the other hand dat dere celltech....

    lol I meant to write "you should still stay away from it"
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    Quote Originally Posted by bigpoppapump2 View Post
    lol I meant to write "you should still stay away from it"
    we know what you meant...but it was still pretty funny...
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    Here is some info on my diet. I dont have a special diet, I eat lots of tuna, chicken and i try to stay away from fried food, fast etc. No real diet. I like to bulk up and strengthen up before I start the academy. As I said I am not looking to be a body builder but I do want to get as strong as possible. I dont mind doing prohormons as long as the results are worth it. I went to a nutri shop and they were quick on selling me prohormons (alphadrol) they wanted 150 for a 30 day supply. What can u guys recom from nutraplanet. I want to get started asap
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    Quote Originally Posted by ozzieramirez View Post
    Here is some info on my diet. I dont have a special diet, I eat lots of tuna, chicken and i try to stay away from fried food, fast etc. No real diet. I like to bulk up and strengthen up before I start the academy. As I said I am not looking to be a body builder but I do want to get as strong as possible. I dont mind doing prohormons as long as the results are worth it. I went to a nutri shop and they were quick on selling me prohormons (alphadrol) they wanted 150 for a 30 day supply. What can u guys recom from nutraplanet. I want to get started asap
    here's a simple rule to follow. if u can't gain weight and strength without steroids then you're going to have minimal gains while on them and probably lose everything you gained after you come off. steroids don't fix the problem they make them temporarily go away. i have no real diet isn't a good answer.

    not to pick on you to much but when you say i don't wanna be a bodybuilder it makes me laugh. i used to work at GNC and people would come in saying they want to take a supplement but don't want something that will make them look like the guys in the magazines. my response was do you really think it's that easy? there was plenty of people thinking if they started taking creatine they would turn into ronnie coleman
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    Quote Originally Posted by mooch2321 View Post
    YOU WILL STAY AWAY FROM IT....hahahhahah did you just use your powers of the force on him...whatever yoda...pretty presumptous...op- we still need your workout history and diet info to really help you...but short of that it just sounds like you need a year or two of eating heavy and training heavy before you mess with teh steroids....now, on the other hand dat dere celltech....

    you had the recomendation already...im not gonna help you do steroids...your not ready
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    Quote Originally Posted by mooch2321 View Post
    wow...you dont have a clue do you

    Alright I'm not trying to bash anyone on this thread I'm only trying to help out someone who is thinking of going the steroid route. Granted I may not know all about the chemical structure of steroids because frankly I compete naturally and I'm not one of those people who go around and search for the best ways to do a steroid cycle. I can make my own gains naturally with hardwork and a good diet and dont have to rely on synthetic drugs to enhance my muscularity (probably like most of you on this thread who spend all your time researching which steroid will give you the best gains
    ). IMO, that just shows low self esteem and the inability to work hard when you go to the "dark side."
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    Quote Originally Posted by wolverines View Post
    Alright I'm not trying to bash anyone on this thread I'm only trying to help out someone who is thinking of going the steroid route. Granted I may not know all about the chemical structure of steroids because frankly I compete naturally and I'm not one of those people who go around and search for the best ways to do a steroid cycle. I can make my own gains naturally with hardwork and a good diet and dont have to rely on synthetic drugs to enhance my muscularity (probably like most of you on this thread who spend all your time researching which steroid will give you the best gains
    ). IMO, that just shows low self esteem and the inability to work hard when you go to the "dark side."
    Yeah, Arnold never did 'roids!
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    Quote Originally Posted by wolverines View Post
    Alright I'm not trying to bash anyone on this thread I'm only trying to help out someone who is thinking of going the steroid route. Granted I may not know all about the chemical structure of steroids because frankly I compete naturally and I'm not one of those people who go around and search for the best ways to do a steroid cycle. I can make my own gains naturally with hardwork and a good diet and dont have to rely on synthetic drugs to enhance my muscularity (probably like most of you on this thread who spend all your time researching which steroid will give you the best gains
    ). IMO, that just shows low self esteem and the inability to work hard when you go to the "dark side."
    nobody has to rely on roids to enhance muscularity and 95% of people can do it with out them. the difference is u can get the same results in a month that would take u a year to develop. when u drive do u speed? if so there's no point cause they both will get u there, but speeding is more dangerous and gets u there quicker. we're a society of i want it now and roids fit nicely into that
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    Quote Originally Posted by ozzieramirez View Post
    Here is some info on my diet. I dont have a special diet, I eat lots of tuna, chicken and i try to stay away from fried food, fast etc. No real diet. I like to bulk up and strengthen up before I start the academy. As I said I am not looking to be a body builder but I do want to get as strong as possible. I dont mind doing prohormons as long as the results are worth it. I went to a nutri shop and they were quick on selling me prohormons (alphadrol) they wanted 150 for a 30 day supply. What can u guys recom from nutraplanet. I want to get started asap
    Recommend you try to track your diet and identify your food types and qty. Check out the RDA food pyramid for guidance but usually these are based on a 2k calorie diet. Food first, supplements only provide "support." To increase strength find the correct workout program specific probably one for powerlifters. I feel that a strength program should focus on recovery supplements amino's (xtend), creatine, simple stuff. Hit the wgt's hard & heavy for short duration and then rest fully so next wo is a step up from the last.

    The so called dark side or steroid route is a bumbpy one and if you don't know much about it then its not one you should even be considering, as tempting as it seems to be, until you fully understand the entire process from beginning to end or as previously explained any gains will most likely not be kept.

    good luck
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    Quote Originally Posted by wolverines View Post
    Alright I'm not trying to bash anyone on this thread I'm only trying to help out someone who is thinking of going the steroid route. Granted I may not know all about the chemical structure of steroids because frankly I compete naturally and I'm not one of those people who go around and search for the best ways to do a steroid cycle. I can make my own gains naturally with hardwork and a good diet and dont have to rely on synthetic drugs to enhance my muscularity (probably like most of you on this thread who spend all your time researching which steroid will give you the best gains
    ). IMO, that just shows low self esteem and the inability to work hard when you go to the "dark side."

    wow...ummm...i dont care about your self esteem or your naturalness or what you rely on to enhance your muscularity...but dont try and make statements when you have no clue what your talking about...we are all big boys here and im not pullin any punches...anyone with a basic knowledge of chemistry can see that these compounds are totally different
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    Ok, at this point with all of the negative feedback on roids, they are out of the questions. So what do you guys recommend on taking, creatine, multi vitamins, etc. I want to order my stuff tonight from nutraplanet. I will also go and check out the pyramid and work on my food diet.

    Thanks all for the feedback. I will defenitely keep checking this site out..
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    Quote Originally Posted by ozzieramirez View Post
    Ok, at this point with all of the negative feedback on roids, they are out of the questions. So what do you guys recommend on taking, creatine, multi vitamins, etc. I want to order my stuff tonight from nutraplanet. I will also go and check out the pyramid and work on my food diet.

    Thanks all for the feedback. I will defenitely keep checking this site out..
    ok just get this stuff if u wanna play it safe.

    vpx no shotgun as a preworkout energy/pump supplement
    whey protein as a post workout recovery supplement

    then do the rest with food
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    i say 10 lb scivation whey (nutra), creatine mono(bulk from nutra), multi (u can get a simple one at the grocery store), fish oil (simple one from the grocery store) , waximaize (2 kwik karbs/ or 1 carb slam on nutra planet)
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    Thanks on the stuff, now what if i wanted to add a lil something something to help the process.
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    you could add a pre workout supp like shock therapy. that's my favorite and its cost effective 30 bucks fro 50 servings.. did you have another type of sup in mind? i could help you out if you had your eye on something
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    Quote Originally Posted by ozzieramirez View Post
    Thanks on the stuff, now what if i wanted to add a lil something something to help the process.

    its good to hear that you decided to stay away from the gear...as far as helping the process tho you will be amazed at the gains that you get if you just get diligent about your diet and training...but you could try a natty anabolic like drive or x-factor
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    Thanks everyone.. I will be buying my stuff tonight. Early Xmas present.
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    what do you guys think of animal stak or m stak? would these be beneficial??
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