best muscle builder/ no pct
- 08-18-2008, 10:06 PM
best muscle builder/ no pct
I am looking for a good supp to add some solid muscle but i need a sup that does not require pct/shut my natty test down at all. I have been doing a lot of research trying to find the best supp that wont shut me down while adding solid gains but it is pretty difficult to do because of all the different choices and trying to figure out wat works or doesnt. Let me no wat u bros think, I have a few choices but just cant make a final decision....
- 08-18-2008, 10:08 PM
08-18-2008, 10:10 PM
08-18-2008, 10:30 PM
Eat a ton of food that is going to be beneficial to you. (which you probably already do) Find a creatine you like and work hard.
08-18-2008, 10:33 PM
's my fave. Gives you incredible workouts and allows you eat extra carbs (100+ g) without the extra flub.
08-18-2008, 11:53 PM
08-19-2008, 12:59 AM
thanks for the advice fellas...i was lookin at Powerfull and x-factor, havent heard much about p-slin but i will have to look into it before i decide what to go with...any others??
08-19-2008, 01:01 AM
08-19-2008, 01:09 AM
First, you can go a long way with just a lot of good quality lean protein, and the right exercises and good sleep.
Eating at least 250, and up to over 300 grams of protein a day, and some healthy fats. Then, center your exercise routine around full squats or dead lifts with good form.
If you're doing all that and taking creatine too (whatever form works best for you), the next step would be to increase your own natural test, although the squats or deads will do quite a bit in that direction.
Test boosting supplements often come in stacks with several supplements. Do some reading on test boosting supplements. There are some decent stand-alone supplements, but no stand-alone supplement covers everything. Concentrated nettle root extract is good, 50% fenugreek might even be better, add in an estrogen suppressor, and something to help StAR along like forskolin, and you now have a powerful test booster. But there are half a dozen other supplements that could add to the effect such as high dose cissus or icariin.
Mass FX MS does look like a great over-all product though.
08-19-2008, 01:28 AM
08-19-2008, 02:53 AM
tuberman very tru info right der ...
i heard that the massfx and hyperdrol is great so i would give that a run dude
08-19-2008, 05:34 AM
there are some great NHA stacks out there right now:
Powerfull is awesome!
RPM/Drive stack is great
I really love P-Slin, Anabolic pump, and neovar with some WMS:-)
theres all kinds of stuff out there...search for NHA and you'll find tons of options!
08-19-2008, 09:21 AM
08-19-2008, 09:39 AM
Yah a lot of options, and if your diet and training is on spot and you've hit a but of a plateau then it might be time to try some of the products available. I like drive, IGF2 I am not ever bulking as I don't have much problem in that department but I find these to be very beneficial sparing muscle. I had some nice success with Hyperdrol and Stoked in this department also.
08-19-2008, 11:22 AM
08-19-2008, 12:47 PM
08-19-2008, 01:07 PM
08-19-2008, 02:24 PM
A lot of good products on this site, sometimes it's just hard to decide what to take. Try and be very granular about what you goals are then a supplement regime is easier arrived at. For instance I am constantly trying to improve my body composition and fat loss is more important to me than gains so I choose a good fat burner and I will take other supps to support muscle retention.
08-19-2008, 03:01 PM
08-19-2008, 03:06 PM
08-19-2008, 03:45 PM
I think Drive/Rpm/IGF2 sounds good though. I liked activate original version so I am keeping an eye on the new nutraplanet product TNT. I figure it will have Dianavil and Trans-Reservatrol in it don't know what else though. Along thes lines I guess Activate/Stoked and a test booster would be good. I don't know what I would use for a test booster but have found at my age that if you increase free test and manage estrogen you can go a long way. Powerful would probably be a good addition to this stack... so Powerfull/Activate and Stoked sounds good to me also.
08-19-2008, 04:37 PM
wait till the 31st, iforce has a new product coming out!!
MAX-OUT= X-Factor(1000mg/day), 25r-diol, Icarrin, Narangin!!!
just wait its gunna be cheaper than x-factor and way better!!!
08-19-2008, 04:52 PM
I am not going to recommend a product that hasn't even come out yet but I am a little excited. Especially about Prime based on the quality of their last product Recreate which was pretty close to what they said it was and of which I am a repeat user.
TNT intrigues me as some of the ingredients that I have assume to be in it have worked well for me and the possibilities of a comprehensive product is titilating to say the least.
08-19-2008, 05:11 PM
well he said he was looking into x-factor, so you can get that plus more for a cheaper price, i was just suggesting the option to wait and see what other supplements are coming
08-19-2008, 05:53 PM
ya i guess if these supps are coming out around the 31st it would def be worth waiting for...Do u bros haveany of the links for the new xfactor or tnt...cant find much on them and wanted to do my reading
08-19-2008, 06:08 PM
08-19-2008, 06:11 PM
08-19-2008, 06:11 PM
TNT is a test booster stack created and sold by nutraplanet......i dont think they have much info on it yet
oh NHA stands for Non-Hormonal Anabolic stack......where you get that from??
08-19-2008, 06:14 PM
my fav non hormonial sups = drive, stoked(pcs), i would also suggest some good preworkout and some quality protein never hurts
i see that X-factor is suggested .. i havent tried it, but have read alot of good reviews of it .. before you select a product .. use the search AM function and search for the logs (usually what i do\)
08-19-2008, 06:18 PM
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