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    Help! Blood work came back not good...


    Ok, so I have been working out my whole life in cycles. I always use protein shakes (musclemilk!!) and Kre-Alkyline (however thats spelled). Last winter, I tried something else in the mix.

    I went to a local supplement store, and tried this stuff called by Muscle Fortress called Methyl V-Test. It has an ingredient that is as follows:

    (2a, 17a-dimethyl-5a-androstane-3-one-17a-ol,
    19-norandrosta-4, 9-diene-3, 17-dione,
    17a-methyl-etioallocholan-2-ene-17b-ol)

    I have no idea what that means. But I do know that I had impressive gains in my arms and legs especially. I stopped taking it after a month, and didn't take anything else (the people at the store said NOTHING about PCT, now come to find out I needed something). They just sold me on the fact that it works and didn't explain anything to me other that is boosts testosterone.

    So, about a month after I stopped it I noticed my nipples were a little sensitive. Other than that, everything is completely normal. Well, the sensitivity didn't subside for a few months. I didn't think anything of it but that maybe my shirts are aggravating or chaffing me. Well, 2 weeks ago I started Methyl V-Test again because this is the time of year I go back to the gym. I noticed that the sensitivity in my nipples started to go away. I was a little concerned after reading about things like gyno on Wikipedia, so I went and had blood work done.

    It's been 2 weeks and I use SuperPump 250 (pre-workout), Kre-Alkaline (post-workout) and Musclemilk (2 shakes a day) along with a good diet of high protein, low carbs, moderate fat, and Methyl V-Test as directed on the bottle.

    I had blood work done. They recommended testing for Prolactin (hormone), Testosterone (hormone), and a CBC w/Diff. Everything was normal except my testosterone was 75 ng/dl (very low!!!) The normal range I was told is 300-1000 nanograms per deciliter.

    WTF? Is this normal? What should I do when I am done with my bottle of Methyl V-test? Should I just stop taking it now?

    I guess I just need some advise because the people at the supplement store are 'tards, and the guy at GNC didn't know anything either. My doctor doesn't know what this stuff is, but was surprised that they sold "stuff like that".

    I just want to get big again, and have normal lab work results.

    Please don't flame me, I'm kinda a noob at supplements but have been working out for a long time. I just need some advise.

    Thanks,

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    Your body's natural testosterone production is still suppressed from your first mistake and you just started another cycle... That is insane. I strongly suggest you research PCT and buy the necessary products to start

    If I were you I would STOP the methyl whatever now and buy Mass FX and Hyperdrol X2 by anabolic xtreme and run those as directed.

    Do this now before you end up with ED and a new set of female breasts
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    you took steroids your hormones are fubar, you NEED clomid or nolva and a good NATURAL test booster to restore your body as best you can.
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    From now on I advise you to stop going to GNC and ask us before you take anything... there is a vast wealth of info here... USE IT!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Motox View Post
    you took steroids your hormones are fubar, you NEED clomid or nolva and a good NATURAL test booster to restore your body as best you can.
    Hahahahahaha, reps for using fubar in a sentence. That word is classic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Usf97j4x4 View Post
    From now on I advise you to stop going to GNC and ask us before you take anything... there is a vast wealth of info here... USE IT!
    Honestly, I didn't even know about this site. I asked a friend of mine where I can find information, and he suggested this site. Then he said, "ummm, you never researched supplements on the internet?". I just didn't even think about it because I always purchased "store bought" things from supplement stores. I had no idea that those could impact natural hormone levels until the last few days.

    I will definitely become a reg here through this next workout cycle!! I'm kicking myself in the ass, because I should have known there were supplement forums just like their are car forums I'm on.

    So, do you think I should stop taking the $60 bottle of Methyl V-test I just purchased? Or can I finish it and start my post cycle treatment afterwards and be fine?

    Do you think I did any serious damage? I have an appointment with an Endocrinologist (forgive my spelling) on Sept 24th, however it was $600 for all the lab work, so I'd rather not spend anymore than I have to on the PCT alone. Any thoughts?
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    Quote Originally Posted by RReuphoria View Post
    Honestly, I didn't even know about this site. I asked a friend of mine where I can find information, and he suggested this site. Then he said, "ummm, you never researched supplements on the internet?". I just didn't even think about it because I always purchased "store bought" things from supplement stores. I had no idea that those could impact natural hormone levels until the last few days.

    I will definitely become a reg here through this next workout cycle!! I'm kicking myself in the ass, because I should have known there were supplement forums just like their are car forums I'm on.

    So, do you think I should stop taking the $60 bottle of Methyl V-test I just purchased? Or can I finish it and start my post cycle treatment afterwards and be fine?

    Do you think I did any serious damage? I have an appointment with an Endocrinologist (forgive my spelling) on Sept 24th, however it was $600 for all the lab work, so I'd rather not spend anymore than I have to on the PCT alone. Any thoughts?
    Well, you can continue to run it until the bottom is gone but have your PCT ready to go. I would hold off on seeing the endo. as they will likely just blow your money. Finish your cycle, finish your PCT... see how you feel after that.

    Serious damage? No, probably not... but you may want to buy some standardized milk thistle and take it during the cycle to protect your liver. I suggest you avoid (or at least minimize) alcohol consumption while on methyl whatever. You are just suppressed from the steroid your using, once you stop and run PCT your bodys hormone levels will begin to normalize.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Usf97j4x4 View Post
    Well, you can continue to run it until the bottom is gone but have your PCT ready to go. I would hold off on seeing the endo. as they will likely just blow your money. Finish your cycle, finish your PCT... see how you feel after that.

    Serious damage? No, probably not... but you may want to buy some standardized milk thistle and take it during the cycle to protect your liver. I suggest you avoid (or at least minimize) alcohol consumption while on methyl whatever. You are just suppressed from the steroid your using, once you stop and run PCT your bodys hormone levels will begin to normalize.
    I hope you get paid for this stuff! You've given me more understandable advise and information to formulate an action plan for free than the entirety of St. Johns Health Systems and $600.00.

    So, if I can trouble you a little more, what should I be looking for an a good PCT? I know the basics from the last two days of digging (block estrogen formation, boost testosterone production), but is there anything you'd recommend? Any specific ingredients?
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    Quote Originally Posted by RReuphoria View Post
    I hope you get paid for this stuff! You've given me more understandable advise and information to formulate an action plan for free than the entirety of St. Johns Health Systems and $600.00.

    So, if I can trouble you a little more, what should I be looking for an a good PCT? I know the basics from the last two days of digging (block estrogen formation, boost testosterone production), but is there anything you'd recommend? Any specific ingredients?
    Two items crucial to a good PCT:
    • Natural test booster
    • anti-estrogen


    While not crucial, many choose to include a cortisol blocker like Lean Xtreme by Designer Supplements. The thought is that cortisol spikes during the PCT timeframe which can rob you of some of your gains. I'm not sold on it.

    The only two OTC anti-estrogens I would deal with are AX Hyperdrol X2 (a 6-bromo based anti estrogen product) or SNS Inhibit-E (an ATD based anti estrogen product).

    While I usually use Inhibit-E, many people prefer Hyperdrol X2. The main complaint is that Inhibit-E tends to temporarily decrease libido... this doesnt seem to be an issue on Hyperdrol. I feel Inhibit-E is the strongest and I just double up on my natural test booster during the initial weeks of PCT.

    As for natural test boosting products you have your choice, they are all pretty comparable.

    AX Mass Fx
    Axis Hypertest
    CL Blue Up (stim or stim-free) <-- budget way to do it but its good stuff!
    DS Activate Extreme
    X-Factor

    Do take my advice about the milk thistle... the product your on is definitely hepatotoxic but im not sure to what extent.. this is why I say minimize alcohol consumption on cycle.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Usf97j4x4 View Post
    Two items crucial to a good PCT:
    • Natural test booster
    • anti-estrogen


    While not crucial, many choose to include a cortisol blocker like Lean Xtreme by Designer Supplements. The thought is that cortisol spikes during the PCT timeframe which can rob you of some of your gains. I'm not sold on it.

    The only two OTC anti-estrogens I would deal with are AX Hyperdrol X2 (a 6-bromo based anti estrogen product) or SNS Inhibit-E (an ATD based anti estrogen product).

    While I usually use Inhibit-E, many people prefer Hyperdrol X2. The main complaint is that Inhibit-E tends to temporarily decrease libido... this doesnt seem to be an issue on Hyperdrol. I feel Inhibit-E is the strongest and I just double up on my natural test booster during the initial weeks of PCT.

    As for natural test boosting products you have your choice, they are all pretty comparable.

    AX Mass Fx
    Axis Hypertest
    CL Blue Up (stim or stim-free) <-- budget way to do it but its good stuff!
    DS Activate Extreme
    X-Factor

    Do take my advice about the milk thistle... the product your on is definitely hepatotoxic but im not sure to what extent.. this is why I say minimize alcohol consumption on cycle.
    Oh my crap.. I just looked at the formula.. It appears to be a combination of superdrol, finigenx magnum, and pheraplex at unknown dosages. Definitely pick up some milk thistle (standardized) as this will be a harsh compound on your liver.

    If you can swing it you may want to run the Hyperdrol for 8 weeks total (2 bottles) to avoid any estrogen rebound. Give your body a 6 month break before taking anymore hormonal products once PCT is over... seriously, keep it simple with creatine and protein.

    PS - I only get paid for this because I do it at WORK, haha..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Usf97j4x4 View Post
    Oh my crap.. I just looked at the formula.. It appears to be a combination of superdrol, finigenx magnum, and pheraplex at unknown dosages. Definitely pick up some milk thistle (standardized) as this will be a harsh compound on your liver.

    If you can swing it you may want to run the Hyperdrol for 8 weeks total (2 bottles) to avoid any estrogen rebound. Give your body a 6 month break before taking anymore hormonal products once PCT is over... seriously, keep it simple with creatine and protein.

    PS - I only get paid for this because I do it at WORK, haha..
    Hell, I recognized the Superdrol and saw that it was mixed with two (regardless of unknown to me) OTHER ph's. Where do these companies come up with this DANGEROUS crap?! I can see people doing what's called a "bridge", but making an all at once "trail mix" of this stuff is idiotic. and the reason being, is that people who are not insanely experienced can/likely will hurt themselves using this stuff.
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    So, should I stop taking it? If I finish off the bottle, and start a 2 month anti-estrogen/test boosting PCT will I be ok?

    I don't know what those are (superdrol, finigenx magnum, and pheraplex).

    Also, I just came across an article by the FDA that this is going on a schedule I list as of June 28, 2008. I called and verified with the supplement store and once they sell their remaining stock it's no longer available.

    I don't understand my luck how I know nothing about supplements other than protein and creatine, and I get hosed with a $60.00 bottle of apparent side-effects.

    I just checked the bottle again, and it also has the following:

    Bergamottin (DHB) 25mg
    Milk Thisle, Dandelion, N-acetyl Cysteine, Alpha Lipoic Acid: 300 mg

    And the V-test matrix (the formula at the top of the page) is 52.5mg

    I would like to finish the bottle because damn this stuff made my arms/legs huge last winter, but I don't want to get hurt either...what should I do????
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    as said above. You can finish the bottle but make sure to perform proper PCT. depending on how much you have used you can also stop now. regenerate your hormone levels to normal and then continue use later on down the road with proper PCT
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    Cool, thanks guys for all your help!!!

    I was completely lost until I found this site.

    I'll keep you updated on the my progress and I'll list my PCT I'm planning on using and how it's working.
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    please do. this site is great. a lot of knowledge and helping hands around here. good luck. PM if you have any questions
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    Sadly, this is a good example of why the entire "prohormone" market will someday be completely shut down by the government. The OP sounds reasonably intelligent, but when you add together A) weak product labeling laws, B) a scumbag supplement company that doesn't care about customers' health, and C) no-nothing retail outlets, it is a recipe for disaster.
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    Here is a Post cycle therapy stack I personally would do for 60 days. 2 bottles of each, it will be around 250-300 bucks..... to be safe. If money was an issue I would do 30 days.

    Post cycle support by Anabolic Innovations 1-1-2 am/mid/pm
    Activate Xtreme By Designer Supplement 1-1-2 am/mid/Prewo
    Lean Xtreme by same company 1-1-1 am/4 hours later/pm
    ZMA by any reputable company. 1 serving right before bed empty stomach
    B6 200-300mg ED


    DO NOT BURY YOUR ESTROGEN, you will get massive rebound. You need to manage your estrogen, free up the little test you have, and stimulate your nutz.............

    This is my 2 cents........I am no doctor, nor do I play one on TV.

    Good luck bro.

    FYI, Methyl V is one bad mofo......... superdrol, phera plex and tren xtreme...........Any 1 of them by themself is a good run.

    You could also run nolva, clomid or the likes.......But Im not going there. Someone else may chime in on on those PCT products.

    You could also seek the advice of a sports doctor if your really concerned or it doesnt get better......... Normal doctors arent going to know ****e.

    If you intend to continue this cycle.....keep this in mind..

    Clean diet, lots of water, I mean lots of water.........Carbs.........an d more carbs........and more food..........and more water.

    Oh yeah, if your not an alcoholic and/or eat tylenol by the truckload..........your liver will be fine.........seriously, if you dont have liver issues already, dont drink alcohol or taking meds hard on the liver. Your liver "should" be fine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RReuphoria View Post
    So, should I stop taking it? If I finish off the bottle, and start a 2 month anti-estrogen/test boosting PCT will I be ok?

    I don't know what those are (superdrol, finigenx magnum, and pheraplex).

    Also, I just came across an article by the FDA that this is going on a schedule I list as of June 28, 2008. I called and verified with the supplement store and once they sell their remaining stock it's no longer available.

    I don't understand my luck how I know nothing about supplements other than protein and creatine, and I get hosed with a $60.00 bottle of apparent side-effects.

    I just checked the bottle again, and it also has the following:

    Bergamottin (DHB) 25mg
    Milk Thisle, Dandelion, N-acetyl Cysteine, Alpha Lipoic Acid: 300 mg

    And the V-test matrix (the formula at the top of the page) is 52.5mg

    I would like to finish the bottle because damn this stuff made my arms/legs huge last winter, but I don't want to get hurt either...what should I do????
    IMO that is not NEARLY enough NAC, milk thistle etc. Do yourself a favor and get Cycle Support it has a ton more than that does.


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    Quote Originally Posted by CROWLER View Post
    IMO that is not NEARLY enough NAC, milk thistle etc. Do yourself a favor and get Cycle Support it has a ton more than that does.


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    Quote Originally Posted by CROWLER View Post
    IMO that is not NEARLY enough NAC, milk thistle etc. Do yourself a favor and get Cycle Support it has a ton more than that does.


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    It also bothers me the milk thistle is not listed as standardized.. I hope it is, either way it us underdosed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kristofer68SS View Post
    Here is a Post cycle therapy stack I personally would do for 60 days. 2 bottles of each, it will be around 250-300 bucks..... to be safe. If money was an issue I would do 30 days.

    Post cycle support by Anabolic Innovations 1-1-2 am/mid/pm
    Activate Xtreme By Designer Supplement 1-1-2 am/mid/Prewo
    Lean Xtreme by same company 1-1-1 am/4 hours later/pm
    ZMA by any reputable company. 1 serving right before bed empty stomach
    B6 200-300mg ED


    DO NOT BURY YOUR ESTROGEN, you will get massive rebound. You need to manage your estrogen, free up the little test you have, and stimulate your nutz.............

    This is my 2 cents........I am no doctor, nor do I play one on TV.

    Good luck bro.

    FYI, Methyl V is one bad mofo......... superdrol, phera plex and tren xtreme...........Any 1 of them by themself is a good run.

    You could also run nolva, clomid or the likes.......But Im not going there. Someone else may chime in on on those PCT products.

    You could also seek the advice of a sports doctor if your really concerned or it doesnt get better......... Normal doctors arent going to know ****e.

    If you intend to continue this cycle.....keep this in mind..

    Clean diet, lots of water, I mean lots of water.........Carbs.........an d more carbs........and more food..........and more water.

    Oh yeah, if your not an alcoholic and/or eat tylenol by the truckload..........your liver will be fine.........seriously, if you dont have liver issues already, dont drink alcohol or taking meds hard on the liver. Your liver "should" be fine.
    I think thats a decent PCT plan as well, although id drop the lean xtreme and save the $$
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    Ok, I picked up a few things today from GNC, and ordered some stuff online:

    During my next three weeks of Methyl V-Test:

    1) Methyl V-test, as recommended on bottle (2 doses daily - 1am 1pm
    2) Milk Thistle - Standardized (80% salymarin) 1000 mg daily

    3) Red Yeast Rice - 2400 mg daily

    4) CoQ-10 - 60 mg daily


    During my PCT:

    Post cycle support
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    ZMA (blue pills) - as directed on bottle
    Tribfolia - as directed on bottle

    I'll up my water intake as well, and try to get at least 1.5-2 gallons a day, as well as load up on carbs.

    Is there anything I'm missing?

    Thanks again for helping me out, my supplement store sucks (and so does GNC by the way...the kid that works at mine is a 'tard).
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    Everything that needs to be said has pretty much been said, so, after this debacle, you should take more than enough time to recover fully, also, you should def take a month or two for researching and proper usages.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RReuphoria View Post
    tried this stuff......
    (2a, 17a-dimethyl-5a-androstane-3-one-17a-ol,
    19-norandrosta-4, 9-diene-3, 17-dione,
    17a-methyl-etioallocholan-2-ene-17b-ol)......
    I have no idea what that means.
    This is exactly why everything we love will soon be illegal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RReuphoria View Post
    Ok, I picked up a few things today from GNC, and ordered some stuff online:

    During my next three weeks of Methyl V-Test:

    1) Methyl V-test, as recommended on bottle (2 doses daily - 1am 1pm
    2) Milk Thistle - Standardized (80% salymarin) 1000 mg daily

    3) Red Yeast Rice - 2400 mg daily

    4) CoQ-10 - 60 mg daily


    During my PCT:

    Post cycle support
    Activate Xtreme
    ZMA (blue pills) - as directed on bottle
    Tribfolia - as directed on bottle

    I'll up my water intake as well, and try to get at least 1.5-2 gallons a day, as well as load up on carbs.

    Is there anything I'm missing?

    Thanks again for helping me out, my supplement store sucks (and so does GNC by the way...the kid that works at mine is a 'tard).
    Im telling, ditch the tribfolia for Lean Xtreme....... That PCS,AX,LX,ZMA stack is sick......... I loved it. I only did it for 30 days.........Next time i will do it 60..........Mad gains in weight and strength, mood was good, lidido and boys filled out....ahhhhh the memories

    My favorite NHA/PCT of all time.

    Lean xtreme will help with cortisol control......muscle loss. IF you cant, that pct should be okay.
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    Quote Originally Posted by smshannon001 View Post

    that is an awesome guide, although a lot of people still have a hard time agreeing with people like us. A lot of people are set on only using SERMS because of the research behind them, but why get possibly get caught with a research chem/illegal perscription, when you can buy products like Reversitol/Post Cycle Support/ etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by peteypab View Post
    that is an awesome guide, although a lot of people still have a hard time agreeing with people like us. A lot of people are set on only using SERMS because of the research behind them, but why get possibly get caught with a research chem/illegal perscription, when you can buy products like Reversitol/Post Cycle Support/ etc.

    True that..........

    Research chems have there place for sure. I would use them following real test cycles........ Thats where most of the experience and research comes from.......Not these designers.....

    It never hurts to have nolva and clomid on hand if the pocket book allows

    I have a bottle of Tormefine(nolva) just in case as well...... That reminds me, i need to budget in some clomid.........
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    sorry 2 hear about ur situation man. hope it all goes well
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kristofer68SS View Post
    True that..........

    Research chems have there place for sure. I would use them following real test cycles........ Thats where most of the experience and research comes from.......Not these designers.....

    It never hurts to have nolva and clomid on hand if the pocket book allows

    I have a bottle of Tormefine(nolva) just in case as well...... That reminds me, i need to budget in some clomid.........
    I definately agree SERM's should be around. I always have 2-3 bottles of Nolva just incase but never had to use them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kristofer68SS View Post
    True that..........

    Research chems have there place for sure. I would use them following real test cycles........ Thats where most of the experience and research comes from.......Not these designers.....

    It never hurts to have nolva and clomid on hand if the pocket book allows

    I have a bottle of Tormefine(nolva) just in case as well...... That reminds me, i need to budget in some clomid.........
    I hit the IR annual sale, picked up a ton of stuff - nolva letro clomid wapessshhh!
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    Wow, It never ceases to amaze me that people will put stuff into their bodies and have no Idea what it is.
    Good Luck buddy, Go to the PCT Forum in the Steroid section here and READ, and Listen to the advise you have already received. And for God's sake do some research next time before you take something like this.
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    x2

    check out the "post cycle therapy" section of this website.

    i want to repeat it so you don't misunderstand.

    You did NOT take a "supplement."

    You took 3 STEROIDS, just like little Timma up there in my avatar. That's why your arms blew up huge like fraggin arnold. Welcome to the club. :bb3:
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    Oh yeah, also post your story here and Welcome to the club. Just about everyone here who has done steroids has one of these stories.
    What is the dummest thing you have done??
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    Quote Originally Posted by Big BAMA View Post
    Oh yeah, also post your story here and Welcome to the club. Just about everyone here who has done steroids has one of these stories.
    What is the dummest thing you have done??
    Nothing beats injecting test into your bloodstream
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    Quote Originally Posted by Usf97j4x4 View Post
    Nothing beats injecting test into your bloodstream
    I rest my case.
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    I thought 19-nor was banned?
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    I thought 19-nor was banned?
    Its up for the ban but not officially banned yet.
  

  
 

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