D's 11-oxo log (unsponsored)
- 04-05-2008, 04:22 PM
D's 11-oxo log (unsponsored)
On Monday April 7th I will start a four week cycle and log of 11-oxo (aka andrenosterone).
I will begin the cycle with 300 mgs. of 11-oxo daily, and will make any increases or decreases based on how I feel/results. However, this will not be an 11-oxo megadose log.
After the 11-oxo I will run AX's aPCT for four weeks.
I will run the 11-oxo along with:
Fish Oil 9-12 grams daily
Vitamin C - 2-3 grams daily
Glucosamine/Chondrotin/MSM (recommended dose)
ON Whey Protein
Muscle Milk before bed
I will be stopping my current regimine of Creatine Mono and Beta Alanine to run this cycle.
Age - 29
Weight - 269
Height - 6'1.7"
Training Experience - approx. 7 years
My goals are simple enough, lose fat while maintaining muscle. The reason I started training again in the first place was an attempt to rehabilitate my spine via strengthening my muscles and taking some strain off my back. I also wanted to lose some weight figuring that would help my back out as well. Thus far my training has helped my back pain, but I have managed to gain 19 lbs. in the process. Most of the weight gain is water and muscle, but my pants are fitting a bit tighter so its not all good.
I don't know what my BF% is, I would guess its in the mid 20's, so I will have to gauge my progress based on measurements. My cold measurements are as follows:
Neck - 18.2"
Chest - 47"
Gut (at the fattest part) - 47.5"
Upper Arms - 18.8"
Forearms - 14.2"
Thighs - 26"
Calves - 16"
The vast majority of my bodyfat is stored in my lower abdomen, and it is an absolute ***** to get rid of. Granted, right now my stomach is bigger than it should be, the thinnest I have ever been was a 34" in the gut and I usually hover around 38-40"
I will try and post some pics for before and afters.
I train high volume, high intensity, and compound free weight movements are my bread and butter.
My split will be as follows:
Monday - Chest & Tri's & Forearms
Tuesday - Legs
Wednesday - Off (cardio)
Thursday - Back & Bi's & Forearms
Friday - Shoulders & traps
Saturday & Sunday Off (cardio)
I live very far away from the nearest gym, so I train at home. The only place where this hinders me is with cardio since it has to be done outdoors.
I don't know my 1 rep max on any lift, because I am injury prone. I will gauge any strength increases or decreases based on the amount of reps/weight I can get on a given exercise.
This is my first log, so I welcome advice/criticism in order to make improvements where necessary.
- 04-05-2008, 04:45 PM
- 04-05-2008, 05:05 PM
04-05-2008, 11:34 PM
I'll be following. I like seeing the lower dosed adrenosterone logs since it is so damned expensive that's the only way I'll ever be able to run it...
04-06-2008, 03:58 PM
04-06-2008, 07:02 PM
04-06-2008, 10:54 PM
Since it takes over 6 weeks for creatine levels to return to baseline, do you think it would make more sense to just maintain your normal creatine regime as opposed to letting your creatine level to slowly taper off during cycle?
04-07-2008, 03:43 PM
Today I took my first 100 mg dose of 11-oxo with my breakfast. Within about 40 minutes of taking the 11-oxo I did notice a slight euphoric feeling, which is still lingering around. Its only noticeable when sitting still.
Todays workout was cut short by an unsettling pain in my left pec during my 3rd decline bench set. I had the same pain last week in the beginning of my chest workout, I attributed it to being not properly warmed up, but today I was definately sufficiently warmed up. Suffice to say the pain cut my chest work short, and I will take it very easy on chest for the next week or two.
My workout went as follows:
Incline Smith Press:
Decline Smith Press:
1x6 205 (on my 6th rep is where the pain set in)
Triceps (due to the pain in my pec I was unable to perform my usual close grip bench for tri's)
Ez bar overhead extensions:
Palm up followed by palm down 1 set of 20 reps each
Other than the pec issue my workout went fine, and I felt really good. I kind of anticipated being a bit sluggish due to my coming off of beta alanine as a pre workout supp.
I had a good pump during and after the workout, but I cannot definately attribute that to the 11-oxo.
I will enter another log today if I notice anything worth reporting with my subsequent dosing of the 11-oxo.
Tomorrows log will come a bit later in the day as I will have to workout in the evening, other than that most of my logs should be ready around this time of day.
04-07-2008, 04:47 PM
04-07-2008, 05:16 PM
04-07-2008, 09:15 PM
04-07-2008, 09:39 PM
Have I ever mentioned that both my daughters (11+3) have a futurama obsession? its funny to hear the 3 year old repeat benders lines
04-07-2008, 09:44 PM
04-07-2008, 09:54 PM
cartoon network when they originally bought the rights to it for their Adult Swim, it got the highest viewership of any show they had ever played I keep all the episodes on my zune as well, nice for cardio Bendin in the wind is probably my favorite for that
04-08-2008, 06:00 PM
I haven't had the opportunity to work out yet today, I should be able to do so within the next couple of hours. After I do that I will update the log with how it went.
There are three things that I want to report on for the sake of being thorough:
I did not get a very good nights sleep last night, it was like I couldn't turn off basically. I cannot say for sure if it was the 11-oxo as I did watch the new Bond movie right before bed.
I also noticed a bit of hair in the sink this morning. I am almost certain that this is due to my being hyper-paranoid about this, but I am logging it just to make sure.
The third thing is that I did get a bit extra aggitated this morning about having to take an unexpected detour. However, this was probably due to my not getting a good night's sleep and worrying about my hairline .
Again, I will return within the next couple of hours to report on my Day 2 workout.
04-08-2008, 09:39 PM
Today was leg day. My workout was as follows:
As I noted earlier I work out at home, and as such I have had to improvise on some movements. The leg press is one such movement. I cannot afford a leg press machine, so I utilize my Smith machine to perform leg presses. This is probably not a good idea, and I don't recommend it for you. I will refer to this movement as the Smith Leg Press.
Smith Leg Press
and I finished up with numerous unilateral calf extensions that I don't feel like logging
I didn't notice anything different during my workout, but leg day is a tough day to judge because its always ends with my wanting to die every time I take a step.
I did notice that I couldn't finish my lunch today, and I haven't been very hungry since. After I finish on AM I have to go fix my meals for the week. Once I have my meals organized it will be easier to determine whether or not my appetite has been affected one way or the other.
04-08-2008, 10:50 PM
good detailed log. how are you combining the 11oxo/1 test? this sounds interesting as a way to cut cost. more i think about it more i like it, might run mine same way. great idea.
04-09-2008, 06:14 PM
My tentative plan is to run one entire bottle of 11 test at 300 mg daily to guage effectiveness and dosing. So that will be my first 10 days.
If I stay at 300 mg. I would like to try the 11-oxo at two 150 mg doses throughout the day for a couple of days to see how that works out. If everything is going well with the cycle and I decide to increase to 350/400 mg I will likely dose it:
11-oxo @ 150 mg twice daily
11-test @ 100 mg once daily
11-oxo @ 150 mg twice daily
11-test @ 50 mg twice daily
04-09-2008, 06:26 PM
Today is a rest day for me, so no weights for me. I also will not be getting any cardio today as I have to help out at my parents house.
I slept very well last night, so it probably was "Casino Royale" that made it so difficult for me to sleep the other night. I am also still in possession of my pre-adrenosterone hairline
I am going to work with the AM diet tracker at some point during this log, but today I just don't have the time.
So far today I ate 1/4 lb. sirloin burger, no bread/bun, and for my second meal I ate a pepper stuffed with ground round. I am keeping things high protein/mod fat/low carbs.
Everything's cool so far, I am definately looking forward to seeing some results in the coming weeks.
04-10-2008, 12:00 AM
04-10-2008, 12:03 AM
04-10-2008, 08:12 AM
good luck dadof2 .. before starting this cycle, what's your goal ? to gain lean mass/weight ..get cut ?
i wish i had a gym in home ..actually no then i would be lazy lol
04-10-2008, 10:13 AM
i believe from reading logs, that 11-oxo kicks in fast compared to other ph's. i bet you will be seeing a decent increase in strength the first week or so. stl, posted his strength peaked at 2 weeks in. this should be good news, i am on day 11 of primal male and still waiting.
04-10-2008, 03:59 PM
Looks good bro. I ran 11oxo @ 300mg ed and had great results. I leaned out really well. I did notice a peak in strength about 2 weeks in and then the gains just seemed to taper off. After the cycle was over I ended up losing 2 pounds and leaned up really nice. I believe that you will like this cycle, I did. The biggest thing I noticed on cycle was that I was constantly hungry. I couldn't get enough to eat and I still lost 2 pounds over 30 days. I know 2 pounds doesn't sound like much but it was very noticable looking into the mirror. Good luck. I will be following.
04-10-2008, 06:34 PM
Last night I went to sleep at 11pm, and was wide awake by 3:20 am....and that was all the that I managed to get. That makes two days of insomnia since on cycle, and I haven't had trouble sleeping in years (the only sleep trouble I ever had in my life was the year following my spine injuries, it is very hard to sleep when you back is hurting).
I gave this some thought, and I really didn't want to do this, but I really have no choice. I have to add another supplement to this cycle. I had a bottle of Powerfull that I was saving for a future RPM/Drive/Powerfull stack, but I started the Powerfull today. I will use it to get some rest tonight, and try not using it tomorrow. I really want, and I know you all do, to see what 11-oxo is capable of on its own. However, if I am not getting any sleep then I am not going to see much in the way of gains anyway.
Needless to say I had a rough workout, and I had little energy going into it. I felt strong considering just how tired I am, and I feel pretty confident in saying that I would have had a great workout if I wasn't so tired.
Workout - Back & Biceps
Reverse Grip Pulldowns
I have a couple of photos to upload to this log. I took them today, I figured I better get them in before I start seeing results.
04-10-2008, 06:52 PM
I want to lose fat while maintaining the muscle that I have regained since taking up weight training again. It is very tough for me to lose weight without giving up muscle, so andrenosterone is very attractive to me.
As far as working out at home, right now I do it as a necessity as the nearest gym is just too far away. Now I would much rather belong to a good gym, but I would rather work out at home than some craptastic fitness club.
For the most part working out at home is pretty cool. There are no dumbasses to deal with, no waiting for machines, and my music does not suck. The downside is that I don't much room to work with, and I need some more dumbbells. I primarily stick to free weights, but when I do need to use my smith machine or cable attachments they aren't nearly as good as what you would find in a commercial gym.
04-10-2008, 07:05 PM
04-10-2008, 09:12 PM
I followed your log, it played a part in my deciding on 11-oxo. I have been in and out of your new log, how are you liking LG's MMv2 product?
I am already contemplating what I will do next. At some point I will run:
an Epi compound( I am going to get this soon, even if I wait a while to run it)
I am torn between trying MMv2 and 3-ad next. I am always up for cutting , especially now, but I am still nowhere near where I want to be right now strength wise.
04-10-2008, 11:40 PM
04-11-2008, 02:01 PM
I started working out when I was 15-16, and was mostly self taught. I joined a small local gym when I was 18 and befriended the owner who was an ameature bodybuilder/regional bench press champion. He taught me how to train and eat properly, and I trained with him until I was about 22.
Once I started my career I stopped training consistently, and eventually I stopped training altogether. Then I hurt my spine and stayed layed up for a very long time.
I started training again around Christmas of '07 (with my Doctors blessing) in an effort to help eleminate my back pain. I started out really slow and easy, as not to further aggravate my injuries. Not only did the training help the pain, but I started rebuilding my muscles a lot quicker than I had anticipated.
I am still nowhere near where I was size or strength wise, but I am definately feeling much better.
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