H-drol + E-form: Recomp Log
- 07-24-2007, 09:47 AM
And I read your whole ALRI stack log. I agree, you don't sugar coat a d*mn thing! That's why we're here. Give us real feedback and ye shall become immortal... OK, that's ME embellishing. But, I certainly trust your judgement because of your consistently honest opinion of everything you take. So, thanks!
- 07-24-2007, 09:57 AM
Are you going to post that back exercise program ? I could try a new back workout myself..............
- 07-24-2007, 11:06 AM
07-24-2007, 04:42 PM
07-24-2007, 04:48 PM
celc, you have quite the managerial potential. lets have fun, but this is serious. i like that. as light as this log is, celc will give you the straight up facts on what he thinks about something. ok, enough being serious. its time to eat
07-24-2007, 05:18 PM
T, eating IS serious... I'd definately run if I were between you and a steak
Prld: I took JW for 4 weeks at 3 caps per day. I briefly had an increased appetite for about 2 days. After that, I had no effects whatsoever. There were no signs of any hormonal alteration. No pump, no increased endurance, no aggression, no acne, no hair loss (I'm prone in the front), no libido change (slightly lowered if I remember correctly). I'm afraid to say it was a waste of $30. BAM was only SLIGHTLY better and I'd choose formestane, 6oxo, or any old generic trib over it in a heartbeat. Restore was satisfactory and has a very inclusive ingredient profile. That's why I plan to use it in this post cycle therapy.
Ecto, I believe the studies showed that only preworkout Arginine was detrimental to GH. A few smarty pantses are talking about this on another board. They are tearing me a new rear over this but compromised to "allow" AAKG before meals but with cit mal pre/during workout. I have effectively bulked with AAKG for 2 winters in a row and really notice decreased time between sets after about 7 days and the effects last for a good 8 weeks. Thanks for the link. Don't hesitate to post the links right here in the thread. After all, I understand that you just want me to send you all my arginine
By the way fellas, I'm feeling better... I made a solid this morning
Traps, Quads, Tris: I didn't increase my squats today because they were a bit sloppy last week. Also, I wanted to make sure that I don't aggravate anything with the back "instability" yesterday.
This was the first workout that I felt a bit of a kick. It was a lot like when creatine kicks in. I felt like I would fail on the 7th rep but was able to push out 9 or 10 instead. Although the weights didn't go up much today, I noticed increased ability to control my heavy sets with better form. I feel a great pump and my mood continues to be excellent.
07-24-2007, 05:33 PM
07-24-2007, 08:33 PM
07-24-2007, 09:17 PM
07-24-2007, 09:35 PM
good points T. Those quotes were from that old Serm inverse to AI thread.
If any of you haven't seen this thread, the first 2-3 pages are VERY informative.
Running Serm inverse to ADT??
T are there any threads that discuss suicide inhibition vs. estrogen control for AI's? The reason I'm asking is because I want to make sure my ramp and taper plan for Restore's 6bromo is the correct one.
07-24-2007, 10:10 PM
07-25-2007, 04:38 AM
If I'm understanding your question right some of these might help:
Aromasin (Exemestane) Profile
Dr. D help
~ Nothing can kill the Grimace!!
07-25-2007, 08:53 AM
07-25-2007, 08:59 AM
celc, i dont get much from aakg, but thats alright. you dont get much from ragnarok, and it lights me up. this just convinces me even more what a great thing formestane is. i think the only people not responding are either having mixing issues or not dosing properly. i dare anyone to dose at 6 sprays 2xday and tell me they didnt get any results. lets eat.izza:
07-25-2007, 09:23 AM
I guess I'm the only one that didn't feel jipped when they used NO2. I've succesfully bulked and cut with it, no complaints. I guess the kid in me enjoys the pump
Oh ya, I have some reading to do tonight! Thanks prelude!!!
T, I'm bouncing off the walls on 4 sprays per day. Don't tempt me with 6 The Halo is REALLY making it feel smoooooth this time around though (where's the icon with a guy lounging in a hamoc when you need it)
Agreed with the mixing issues. Never heard a bad report on the premix which is why I want CEL to make one. T, I can't wait to try out metacort though... I've been avoiding it because I assumed that it was ATD and never read the label. You're helping me become LESS ignorant
Updated "significant events" on the first page.
07-25-2007, 09:24 AM
And I'm very impressed with Prld's searching skills. Boy's got skeeeelz!
07-25-2007, 09:47 AM
1st solo run with form at 40-80ng/day: -6 lbs in 21 days on a cut with continued increase in strength as if I were on a maintenance diet.
2nd solo run: +6 pounds on a maintenance diet at 40mg/day (to avoid sides) with some PR's
3rd run stacked with creatine and NO2: mediocre results as work stress/transition interfereed with workout dedication; libido boost made for some exotic "stress relief though"
I've used 20mg TD form + 2 caps trib + TD arginine as a spontaneous "quick fix" a few times if I really needed to impress a girl for a few rounds... shh, don't tell them
There's talk of some oral form in a newsletter that's supposed to come out in August. I'll pass it along to you ecto if it sounds promising.
07-25-2007, 10:08 AM
Last edited by EctoPower; 07-25-2007 at 10:09 AM. Reason: Penetrate, not Activate...duh.
07-25-2007, 10:29 AM
07-25-2007, 11:06 AM
Does it go into solution easily? Same process as described in the Neo's formestane thread?
Hey neo: project #2. TD 6-oxo/trione FAQ. Get on it big dog The combination of test boosting/estrogen blocking in one supplement is just too cool to ignore with trione and formestane
Edit: agreed with T on the formestane aggression. It became problematic the first time I used it because I didn't know what I was doing. I posted in Neo's form thread that I instinctly thought I was "ON steroids." A few people who I was jawing with even asked if i was on. The next two runs weren't a problem because I knew what to expect and just took a LOT of deep breathes
07-25-2007, 12:13 PM
07-25-2007, 01:19 PM
07-25-2007, 05:20 PM
Light cardio and abs today. My shoulder needed the break after 3 straight days of brutality in the gym. Libido and mood are excellent. Appetite is up a bit. I may check body comp this weekend to see if it's ok to up the cals and still be in line with my recomp goals.
07-25-2007, 05:27 PM
07-25-2007, 08:28 PM
Seriously though, you're right... I'm inching forward this week. That 6 lb. LBM goal while staying the same weight or gaining a few is gonna be real tough. I'll do a diet check and a body comp check at the end of the week to figure out exactly what I want to do... gotta plan EVERYTHING right?
I'm back up to +2 total morning pounds (empty) right now. I got a compliment from a girl tonight who sees me on a regular basis. She said my back is looking bigger. It better damm well be bigger with 2 freakin back days and 10 sets of deadlifts per week
07-25-2007, 09:35 PM
T, pm box is getting flooded with form questions on DA. Ha ha you were right. I've been diverting everyone to one thread and ansering from there in the supp forum. You'll see it... it should be a good catch all so we don't ahve to keep saying the same thing over and over again.
Neo, that faq is so good that I had to read it again for like the 10th time
07-25-2007, 09:53 PM
07-26-2007, 12:11 AM
Also did you miss my post above about your questions in relation to the 6 oxo faq? Re-read you sexy bish!
07-26-2007, 12:12 AM
07-26-2007, 02:33 PM
TD means "transdermal".
~ Nothing can kill the Grimace!!
07-26-2007, 06:09 PM
Prelude, thanks for the links. There was good stuff in there for sure! I've seen the SERM vs. AI thread before while I studying for my cycle. The exemestane link is new to me and I'll be reading that one tonight.
T, check out post #34. This is EXACTLY what we were discussing over pm the other night. Dr. D discusses pros and cons of different SERMS (remember, the post is over a year old as well).
Dr. D help
Today was SUPPOSED to be a day off. But, I couldn't resist a hamstrings workout. I pulled 360x5 SLDL (up 20 more lbs) but it was sloppy. All in all, it was a lackluster workout and I should have taken the day off.
On a positive note, I'm LOOKING a bit leaner with much fuller muscle bellies. I'm starting to get irritated by trivial things and a few people at work jokingly asked me if I had pms. No surprise that I get picked on wherever I go
07-26-2007, 06:53 PM
07-26-2007, 10:53 PM
Good thing my enormous biceps build up my ego enough to deal with all this punishment :bb3:
07-26-2007, 11:11 PM
07-26-2007, 11:26 PM
07-26-2007, 11:30 PM
07-26-2007, 11:51 PM
So far, some studies say trib works... others say it doesn't. The revalation we've been looking for. Now I can see clearly
ps, the pizza is still appreciated and entertaining
07-27-2007, 12:01 AM
07-27-2007, 04:29 AM
07-27-2007, 06:10 AM
the curious thing is, I get itchy nipples when I use any trib that has a high concentration of active ingredients. This isn't psychological either because it doesn't happen immediately... more like 8-12 hours later. Then I stop using the trib and wallah, nipples feel normal again within 1-2 days.
This did NOT happen with paravol but it has a super low active in the trib, right?
T, I love what trib does for my libido as well. On the same token, when I use the high percentage active (like Vitrix), I get some pretty good pumps and muscle hardness as well. Not like I'm having with eform/hdrol but enough for me to notice.
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