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    Quote Originally Posted by celc5 View Post
    Prld and ecto, that's exactly what I did. Thanks for the suggestions. So I have the small container of poseidon and purple wrath on the way. I'll try em both out seperately and together and give the verdict.

    My idea with AAKG is sort of like the people that like glutamine. It works for me so I go with it.

    Ecto, I'm 100% honest with my logs. Although drama is entertaing, there is ZERO embellishment in regards to the substance on my part... just ask T what I wrote about Jungle Warfare (not exactly a good report card).

    Also ecto, I've felt this before in my back. I have a pretty cool back extension program that I'll add to my saturday workout that isolates each individual paraspinal group. I'll be careful for sure dude!
    I'm just giving you sh*t about AAKG. Go with what works for you man!

    And I read your whole ALRI stack log. I agree, you don't sugar coat a d*mn thing! That's why we're here. Give us real feedback and ye shall become immortal... OK, that's ME embellishing. But, I certainly trust your judgement because of your consistently honest opinion of everything you take. So, thanks!

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    Are you going to post that back exercise program ? I could try a new back workout myself..............
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    Quote Originally Posted by ReaperX View Post
    Are you going to post that back exercise program ? I could try a new back workout myself..............
    I was referring to the lower back/core for back extensions. It's a physical therapy style workout. Is that what you mean?

    If not, I have a ton of cool ideas for back/lats though to spice things up... let me know what you want and I'll gladly throw you some ideas.
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    Quote Originally Posted by celc5 View Post
    Prld and ecto, that's exactly what I did. Thanks for the suggestions. So I have the small container of poseidon and purple wrath on the way. I'll try em both out seperately and together and give the verdict.

    My idea with AAKG is sort of like the people that like glutamine. It works for me so I go with it.

    Ecto, I'm 100% honest with my logs. Although drama is entertaing, there is ZERO embellishment in regards to the substance on my part... just ask T what I wrote about Jungle Warfare (not exactly a good report card).

    Also ecto, I've felt this before in my back. I have a pretty cool back extension program that I'll add to my saturday workout that isolates each individual paraspinal group. I'll be careful for sure dude!
    Looking forward to feedback on that combo.

    I'm lazy so I'll just ask... what didn't you like about JW?

    Ecto, next time you go into the ph ball park defenitly start at a sub par dosage just to get a feel for how it works for ya.
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    celc, you have quite the managerial potential. lets have fun, but this is serious. i like that. as light as this log is, celc will give you the straight up facts on what he thinks about something. ok, enough being serious. its time to eat
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    T, eating IS serious... I'd definately run if I were between you and a steak

    Prld: I took JW for 4 weeks at 3 caps per day. I briefly had an increased appetite for about 2 days. After that, I had no effects whatsoever. There were no signs of any hormonal alteration. No pump, no increased endurance, no aggression, no acne, no hair loss (I'm prone in the front), no libido change (slightly lowered if I remember correctly). I'm afraid to say it was a waste of $30. BAM was only SLIGHTLY better and I'd choose formestane, 6oxo, or any old generic trib over it in a heartbeat. Restore was satisfactory and has a very inclusive ingredient profile. That's why I plan to use it in this post cycle therapy.

    Ecto, I believe the studies showed that only preworkout Arginine was detrimental to GH. A few smarty pantses are talking about this on another board. They are tearing me a new rear over this but compromised to "allow" AAKG before meals but with cit mal pre/during workout. I have effectively bulked with AAKG for 2 winters in a row and really notice decreased time between sets after about 7 days and the effects last for a good 8 weeks. Thanks for the link. Don't hesitate to post the links right here in the thread. After all, I understand that you just want me to send you all my arginine

    By the way fellas, I'm feeling better... I made a solid this morning

    Day 9

    80mg formestane
    50mg H-drol

    Traps, Quads, Tris: I didn't increase my squats today because they were a bit sloppy last week. Also, I wanted to make sure that I don't aggravate anything with the back "instability" yesterday.

    This was the first workout that I felt a bit of a kick. It was a lot like when creatine kicks in. I felt like I would fail on the 7th rep but was able to push out 9 or 10 instead. Although the weights didn't go up much today, I noticed increased ability to control my heavy sets with better form. I feel a great pump and my mood continues to be excellent.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thebigt View Post
    get better bro. you got a lot of guys pulling for ya.:dl:
    I for one have been pulling alot for you and multiple times a day I might add. B===>
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    Quote Originally Posted by 200wannabe View Post
    Dr D
    It was talked about previously but what do you think of the purported SARM effects of ATD 'during cycle'. Do you feel a low dose of ATD during cycle helps to minimise suppression??
    Thanks.
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    Yes. I have been experimenting for several months and there is certainly some truth to it. Been using 25-50mg RXT, and I love it! An anti-androgen will preserve LH surges better than an anti-estrogen, so it makes sense on paper too. I feel this is a great new weapon for on-cycle maintenance of test production and may help reduce the need for hCG during short and medium length cycles. My sex life has been very consistent on this cycle too.
    T and prld, what do u think of this? for example, 25mg atd while on a propadrol or PP cycle to prevent gyno
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    Quote Originally Posted by celc5 View Post
    T and prld, what do u think of this? for example, 25mg atd while on a propadrol or PP cycle to prevent gyno
    its no secret that alot of guys used to run nolva WHILE on cycle. what we are doing is basically the same thing, running form while on cycle. the only thing i question is, what about pct. if your already running the best, most tried and true pct supplement, what do you use to get hormones back in balance? what about rebound? if i remember right ds was getting a lot of complaints about rxt. i would stick to formestane while on cycle, atd for pct. i am open to new ideas if they prove to be better. but new doesnt always prove better in the long run.
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    good points T. Those quotes were from that old Serm inverse to AI thread.

    If any of you haven't seen this thread, the first 2-3 pages are VERY informative.

    Running Serm inverse to ADT??

    T are there any threads that discuss suicide inhibition vs. estrogen control for AI's? The reason I'm asking is because I want to make sure my ramp and taper plan for Restore's 6bromo is the correct one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by celc5 View Post
    good points T. Those quotes were from that old Serm inverse to AI thread.

    If any of you haven't seen this thread, the first 2-3 pages are VERY informative.

    Running Serm inverse to ADT??

    T are there any threads that discuss suicide inhibition vs. estrogen control for AI's? The reason I'm asking is because I want to make sure my ramp and taper plan for Restore's 6bromo is the correct one.
    thats a question for prid, that dude is a research wizard. i dont know how he does it, but he can pull all kinds of threads out of that purple grimmace costume. prid is damn near a genius at that stuff. dont get the big head dustin, im sure ill change my mind before the day is over.
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    If I'm understanding your question right some of these might help:

    Aromasin (Exemestane) Profile

    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/suppl...ogen-post.html

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    give that man a gold star!
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    celc, i dont get much from aakg, but thats alright. you dont get much from ragnarok, and it lights me up. this just convinces me even more what a great thing formestane is. i think the only people not responding are either having mixing issues or not dosing properly. i dare anyone to dose at 6 sprays 2xday and tell me they didnt get any results. lets eat.izza:
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    I guess I'm the only one that didn't feel jipped when they used NO2. I've succesfully bulked and cut with it, no complaints. I guess the kid in me enjoys the pump

    Oh ya, I have some reading to do tonight! Thanks prelude!!!

    T, I'm bouncing off the walls on 4 sprays per day. Don't tempt me with 6 The Halo is REALLY making it feel smoooooth this time around though (where's the icon with a guy lounging in a hamoc when you need it)

    Agreed with the mixing issues. Never heard a bad report on the premix which is why I want CEL to make one. T, I can't wait to try out metacort though... I've been avoiding it because I assumed that it was ATD and never read the label. You're helping me become LESS ignorant

    Updated "significant events" on the first page.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thebigt View Post
    celc, i dont get much from aakg, but thats alright. you dont get much from ragnarok, and it lights me up. this just convinces me even more what a great thing formestane is. i think the only people not responding are either having mixing issues or not dosing properly. i dare anyone to dose at 6 sprays 2xday and tell me they didnt get any results. lets eat.izza:
    T, did you ever run Form solo? If so, what were the results as far as weight gain, strength gain, etc.? I'm not disputing the findings at all, just trying to distinguish between "feeling" a supplement work and actually building muscle that sticks around. For instance, I don't like AAKG because I can feel it doing what it's supposed to (pumped like a fiend) but that did not result in actually building muscle for me. Thanks man.

    And I'm very impressed with Prld's searching skills. Boy's got skeeeelz!
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    Quote Originally Posted by EctoPower View Post
    T, did you ever run Form solo? If so, what were the results as far as weight gain, strength gain, etc.? I'm not disputing the findings at all, just trying to distinguish between "feeling" a supplement work and actually building muscle that sticks around. For instance, I don't like AAKG because I can feel it doing what it's supposed to (pumped like a fiend) but that did not result in actually building muscle for me. Thanks man.

    And I'm very impressed with Prld's searching skills. Boy's got skeeeelz!
    Agreed. I searched for about 30 minutes last night and hadn't come across any of those threads.

    1st solo run with form at 40-80ng/day: -6 lbs in 21 days on a cut with continued increase in strength as if I were on a maintenance diet.

    2nd solo run: +6 pounds on a maintenance diet at 40mg/day (to avoid sides) with some PR's

    3rd run stacked with creatine and NO2: mediocre results as work stress/transition interfereed with workout dedication; libido boost made for some exotic "stress relief though"

    I've used 20mg TD form + 2 caps trib + TD arginine as a spontaneous "quick fix" a few times if I really needed to impress a girl for a few rounds... shh, don't tell them

    There's talk of some oral form in a newsletter that's supposed to come out in August. I'll pass it along to you ecto if it sounds promising.
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    Quote Originally Posted by celc5 View Post
    Agreed. I searched for about 30 minutes last night and hadn't come across any of those threads.

    1st solo run with form at 40-80ng/day: -6 lbs in 21 days on a cut with continued increase in strength as if I were on a maintenance diet.

    2nd solo run: +6 pounds on a maintenance diet at 40mg/day (to avoid sides) with some PR's

    3rd run stacked with creatine and NO2: mediocre results as work stress/transition interfereed with workout dedication; libido boost made for some exotic "stress relief though"

    I've used 20mg TD form + 2 caps trib + TD arginine as a spontaneous "quick fix" a few times if I really needed to impress a girl for a few rounds... shh, don't tell them

    There's talk of some oral form in a newsletter that's supposed to come out in August. I'll pass it along to you ecto if it sounds promising.

    You're the man! Good results on the Form. My interest is sufficiently piqued! I'll go back and re-read Neoborn's Form thread, but is it basically just bulk Form in Penetrate? Oral form might be cool too.

    "Exotic" stress relief? What'd you do, drill a hole in a mango?
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    Quote Originally Posted by celc5 View Post
    I guess I'm the only one that didn't feel jipped when they used NO2. I've succesfully bulked and cut with it, no complaints. I guess the kid in me enjoys the pump

    Oh ya, I have some reading to do tonight! Thanks prelude!!!

    T, I'm bouncing off the walls on 4 sprays per day. Don't tempt me with 6 The Halo is REALLY making it feel smoooooth this time around though (where's the icon with a guy lounging in a hamoc when you need it)

    Agreed with the mixing issues. Never heard a bad report on the premix which is why I want CEL to make one. T, I can't wait to try out metacort though... I've been avoiding it because I assumed that it was ATD and never read the label. You're helping me become LESS ignorant

    Updated "significant events" on the first page.
    the first time i ran e-form solo it kicked my a$$. i ran it at 6 sprays 2xday. i was an animal, 10 minutes after applying i wanted to throw weights around, very aggressive. i broke every record i ever had. have yet to have that aggressiveness on ph's. after a week i had to tamper down, was getting into it with guys at work, the wife etc. i had to find the right dose and be aware of effects. when i ran it with activate i was much more mellow. much like celc is finding with halo. hey celc, buy the 7 cort and 3 gms of androstenitrione powder. the metacort is underdosed, and the andro powder mixes well in the 7 cort-save you some money too. i am only going to say this once-well maybe twice, 6oxo is much more effective as a transdermal. peace bro's.
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    Does it go into solution easily? Same process as described in the Neo's formestane thread?

    Hey neo: project #2. TD 6-oxo/trione FAQ. Get on it big dog The combination of test boosting/estrogen blocking in one supplement is just too cool to ignore with trione and formestane

    Edit: agreed with T on the formestane aggression. It became problematic the first time I used it because I didn't know what I was doing. I posted in Neo's form thread that I instinctly thought I was "ON steroids." A few people who I was jawing with even asked if i was on. The next two runs weren't a problem because I knew what to expect and just took a LOT of deep breathes
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    Quote Originally Posted by celc5 View Post
    Does it go into solution easily? Same process as described in the Neo's formestane thread?

    Hey neo: project #2. TD 6-oxo/trione FAQ. Get on it big dog The combination of test boosting/estrogen blocking in one supplement is just too cool to ignore with trione and formestane
    Sure thing get right on it :P. I will look into it, maybe start something and then add to it slowly. Do you guys wanna put together a little starter for me / basic information etc and I'll go from there?

    Also what's TD? To do? Twice Daily? Transdermal dck?
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    Quote Originally Posted by neoborn View Post
    Sure thing get right on it :P. I will look into it, maybe start something and then add to it slowly. Do you guys wanna put together a little starter for me / basic information etc and I'll go from there?

    Also what's TD? To do? Twice Daily? Transdermal dck?
    transdermal dck=15"
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    Day 10

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    Light cardio and abs today. My shoulder needed the break after 3 straight days of brutality in the gym. Libido and mood are excellent. Appetite is up a bit. I may check body comp this weekend to see if it's ok to up the cals and still be in line with my recomp goals.
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    Quote Originally Posted by celc5 View Post
    Day 10

    80mg form
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    Light cardio and abs today. My shoulder needed the break after 3 straight days of brutality in the gym. Libido and mood are excellent. Appetite is up a bit. I may check body comp this weekend to see if it's ok to up the cals and still be in line with my recomp goals.
    you got to eat to grow. you are upping the weights on your lifts and building muscle, gotta eat to keep em growing. izza:
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    Quote Originally Posted by thebigt View Post
    you got to eat to grow. you are upping the weights on your lifts and building muscle, gotta eat to keep em growing. izza:
    I KNEW you were gonna say that T. Sheesh, if I ate like you, I'd NEED furazadrol rather the propadrol stack for my next cycel

    Seriously though, you're right... I'm inching forward this week. That 6 lb. LBM goal while staying the same weight or gaining a few is gonna be real tough. I'll do a diet check and a body comp check at the end of the week to figure out exactly what I want to do... gotta plan EVERYTHING right?

    I'm back up to +2 total morning pounds (empty) right now. I got a compliment from a girl tonight who sees me on a regular basis. She said my back is looking bigger. It better damm well be bigger with 2 freakin back days and 10 sets of deadlifts per week
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    T, pm box is getting flooded with form questions on DA. Ha ha you were right. I've been diverting everyone to one thread and ansering from there in the supp forum. You'll see it... it should be a good catch all so we don't ahve to keep saying the same thing over and over again.

    Neo, that faq is so good that I had to read it again for like the 10th time
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    Quote Originally Posted by celc5 View Post
    T, pm box is getting flooded with form questions on DA. Ha ha you were right. I've been diverting everyone to one thread and ansering from there in the supp forum. You'll see it... it should be a good catch all so we don't ahve to keep saying the same thing over and over again.

    Neo, that faq is so good that I had to read it again for like the 10th time
    man celc, sorry buddy. i had to bring you in to help out, i was spending too much time ans. pm's. 78 and counting. everytime i clear it out full again. give em hell my friend, i see you are getting it ORGANIZED over there. izza:
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    Quote Originally Posted by celc5 View Post
    Neo, that faq is so good that I had to read it again for like the 10th time
    Well if you have any tips ever or want any other information added just let me know. How about we add some logs to it? I'll add mine when done. Wanna find others and send me links?

    Also did you miss my post above about your questions in relation to the 6 oxo faq? Re-read you sexy bish!
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    Also what's TD? To do? Twice Daily? Transdermal dck?
    Hello? Hellooooooooooo? is this thing on?

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    TD means "transdermal".
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    Prelude, thanks for the links. There was good stuff in there for sure! I've seen the SERM vs. AI thread before while I studying for my cycle. The exemestane link is new to me and I'll be reading that one tonight.

    T, check out post #34. This is EXACTLY what we were discussing over pm the other night. Dr. D discusses pros and cons of different SERMS (remember, the post is over a year old as well).

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    Day 11

    50mg H-drol
    80mg E-form

    Today was SUPPOSED to be a day off. But, I couldn't resist a hamstrings workout. I pulled 360x5 SLDL (up 20 more lbs) but it was sloppy. All in all, it was a lackluster workout and I should have taken the day off.

    On a positive note, I'm LOOKING a bit leaner with much fuller muscle bellies. I'm starting to get irritated by trivial things and a few people at work jokingly asked me if I had pms. No surprise that I get picked on wherever I go
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    Quote Originally Posted by celc5 View Post
    Prelude, thanks for the links. There was good stuff in there for sure! I've seen the SERM vs. AI thread before while I studying for my cycle. The exemestane link is new to me and I'll be reading that one tonight.

    T, check out post #34. This is EXACTLY what we were discussing over pm the other night. Dr. D discusses pros and cons of different SERMS (remember, the post is over a year old as well).

    Dr. D help

    Day 11

    50mg H-drol
    80mg E-form

    Today was SUPPOSED to be a day off. But, I couldn't resist a hamstrings workout. I pulled 360x5 SLDL (up 20 more lbs) but it was sloppy. All in all, it was a lackluster workout and I should have taken the day off.

    On a positive note, I'm LOOKING a bit leaner with much fuller muscle bellies. I'm starting to get irritated by trivial things and a few people at work jokingly asked me if I had pms. No surprise that I get picked on wherever I go
    thats for the groping comment. you deal with people in a respectful manner, people 'pick on you' because you got a good attitude. good luck, junior.
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    Good thing my enormous biceps build up my ego enough to deal with all this punishment :bb3:
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    Quote Originally Posted by celc5 View Post
    Good thing my enormous biceps build up my ego enough to deal with all this punishment :bb3:
    haha i see you still have a sense of humor
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    Quote Originally Posted by thebigt View Post
    haha i see you still have a sense of humor
    T and company, I suggest stopping by Lean Bulk to see the tribulus post by dinoiii in the Dr. Hauser forum. Also, the pct threads are good stuff yet very very lengthy and technical. I'm starting to learn the steroidal/suicide inhibitor vs. non steroidal/ competitive inhibitor theory over in those threads. Damm, I have a headache now
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    T and company, I suggest stopping by Lean Bulk to see the tribulus post by dinoiii in the Dr. Hauser forum. Also, the post cycle therapy threads are good stuff yet very very lengthy and technical. I'm starting to learn the steroidal/suicide inhibitor vs. non steroidal/ competitive inhibitor theory over in those threads. Damm, I have a headache now
    dont want no damn headache-just give me the low down. dana gets to long winded and technical. good stuff, just have to dig up the backyard to find a nugget. izza:
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    Quote Originally Posted by thebigt View Post
    dont want no damn headache-just give me the low down. dana gets to long winded and technical. good stuff, just have to dig up the backyard to find a nugget. izza:
    Will do as long as my printer doesn't run out of ink and my stock in high lighters doesn't deplete...

    So far, some studies say trib works... others say it doesn't. The revalation we've been looking for. Now I can see clearly

    ps, the pizza is still appreciated and entertaining
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    Quote Originally Posted by celc5 View Post
    Will do as long as my printer doesn't run out of ink and my stock in high lighters doesn't deplete...

    So far, some studies say trib works... others say it doesn't. The revalation we've been looking for. Now I can see clearly

    ps, the pizza is still appreciated and entertaining
    i dont give a crap what the research says; it makes me hornier than a toad. anyone who takes trib expecting to see big gains in muscle hasnt been around very long. to me trib works-just depends on what your expectations are. make it a supreme, hold the anchovies. izza:
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    So far, some studies say trib works... others say it doesn't. The revalation we've been looking for. Now I can see clearly
    LOL, so your pretty much saying your still at ground zero.
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    LOL, so your pretty much saying your still at ground zero.
    There's a promise of a "part II" to this little mini research summary. I'll keep you guys informed if it says anything worth repeating.

    the curious thing is, I get itchy nipples when I use any trib that has a high concentration of active ingredients. This isn't psychological either because it doesn't happen immediately... more like 8-12 hours later. Then I stop using the trib and wallah, nipples feel normal again within 1-2 days.

    This did NOT happen with paravol but it has a super low active in the trib, right?

    T, I love what trib does for my libido as well. On the same token, when I use the high percentage active (like Vitrix), I get some pretty good pumps and muscle hardness as well. Not like I'm having with eform/hdrol but enough for me to notice.
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