H-drol + E-form: Recomp Log
- 07-22-2007, 10:55 PM
- 07-22-2007, 11:36 PM
Yeah I hear yah, hopefully you can spend some time to bring her round ........or not
I tell my wife about it all and she doesn't agree with all the supplements I do, but she loves the biceps so it evens out
Just pointing this out because it sounds like your all sneaking and cheating on your wives with PH/PS's
07-23-2007, 12:03 AM
Kabuki, you're an Activate fan. How's it compare to MassFx, if you've tried it?
T, I'm in the process of trying to convince the CEL rep to carry some transdermals, as another option to the Dermabolics. I'll let ya know if he bites on a premade 6-oxo.
Fellas, sometimes trying to explain things to a woman is like beating your head against a brick wall... nothing but a big headache :
07-23-2007, 06:31 AM
That scene was from Temple of Doom.BTW, I wasn't challenging your Sean Connery knowledge at all. I was familiar with the "Untouchables" quote, but it reminded me of that scene from the Indiana Jones movie.
I've tried both and honestly couldn't tell the difference. Nettle + Form stacks quite nicely as T pointed out.as for bulk nettle root. I have a couple jars of it but have not used it beyound taste testing it. I love Activate.
~ Nothing can kill the Grimace!!
07-23-2007, 08:37 AM
07-23-2007, 01:43 PM
07-23-2007, 02:16 PM
Wait sec T... Isn't metacort ATD plus 7o? If it's 6oxo, that needs to be in my next pct for sure
T, I've heard similar things about legality of TDs. However, I never really followed up with learning more about that.
Oh and actually, the only thing I suggested where he seemed to bite was a TD 6oxo. So, who knows... we might be on to something here.
Prld, poseidon is gonna be in my next stack for sure. I'm trying to decide if i wanna drop in EAA or BCAA for my preworkout/during workout mix. You guys have any suggestions?
07-23-2007, 02:25 PM
07-23-2007, 02:51 PM
For how sick I am, I'm still in a good mood. I cut down to 1 scoop of protein per shake, increased banana intake, increased water intake. I'm also cutting out cissus, the extra hawthorne, and cycle support for today. Those are all things that seem to be irritating my stomach over the last 2 days. I'll reintroduce all of them again tomorrow if I feel better.
Tonight is lats and formearms. Lethargy will dictate how intense the workout is. One thing I am concentrating on is continuing with my diet. I've only dropped 1/2 pound morning weight since I've been sick.
07-23-2007, 02:52 PM
07-23-2007, 02:54 PM
07-23-2007, 02:54 PM
07-23-2007, 02:59 PM
07-23-2007, 03:12 PM
And is the lethargy really rocking you? I swear, I was falling asleep at my desk on Propadrol.
T or Prld, do all newbs get crushed by lethargy like that, or is it really dose/compound dependent?
07-23-2007, 03:18 PM
The lethargy is from this stomach issue. About 1/2 of my patients have a stomach virus so that seems to be what I have. It comes and goes. If anything, I'd like to think the Halo is keeping me going at work today.
Good call Reaper. The extra C is one supp that I've taken twice today already.
Just a note, I have not missed any doses of H-drol or E-form.
07-23-2007, 03:42 PM
07-23-2007, 03:46 PM
ecto, just exactly what are you taking? and yes, if you look at some logs almost everyone takes a stim of some kind to offset lethargy. with the halo clone it doesnt hit till around end of 3rd week. just when the effects are best.
07-23-2007, 03:47 PM
07-23-2007, 03:50 PM
07-23-2007, 04:04 PM
07-23-2007, 04:22 PM
Prop Pulsed: All the cool people are doing it!
I should have started with 30mg instead of 60mg. Oh well. Now I know. Right now I am taking 6-oxo and DHEA. Currently ramping down on the tail end of the cycle. This was intended as my quasi-PCT after the pulse. But it's worked pretty nicely as it's own cycle.
07-23-2007, 04:44 PM
07-23-2007, 05:12 PM
Agreed but just one difference with his cycle, he was pulsing. All the doctor D threads suggest to use a cort control on off days during a pulse. On that note, most aren't running the "off day" AI or cort control until about the 3rd week.
I think it's pretty ironic that pulsing has been under wraps and mysteriously re-appears as soon as epi comes out Sure the bottle lasts longer during a pulse, but the bottle still gets sold if there is promise of less shutdown... just my opinion FWIW.
FYI for everyone, check out the stickies posted by Dinoiii on Lean Bulk regarding post cycle therapy. Some of the best info I've seen anywhere. His newsletter also sounds promising, although I haven't read it myself yet.
07-23-2007, 05:35 PM
07-23-2007, 05:41 PM
07-23-2007, 05:44 PM
07-23-2007, 06:19 PM
Man T, did you need to smack me upside the head with so many ?????? Yeeesh! You're officially my "dad" too.
I really don't think it was the Restore. By the way, I think I said before that I took Retain. I keep mixing those up.
Anyway, the lethargy was definitely the propadrol because that was present when I woke up on Day 2. That is, before I dosed Restore. The headache maybe is debatable, but if I remember correctly it started pretty early on Day 2 as well after 1 dose. Could the Restore really cause a headache that quickly? If so, what exactly is the mechanism at work from anti-cort that causes the headache? My assumption at the time, along with Celc's, was that the headach was from raised BP. That was confirmed the evening of Day 4 after I termed the pulse when my BP was slightly elevated.
Regarding the effectiveness of a pulse, I guess it's still tough to say. But the lethargy hit me very quickly and if I had stimmed my way through that and avoided the headache, I think it would have worked as advertised. My goal was not to put on 20 pounds in 4 weeks. It was more like 5-10 pounds in 4-6 weeks. And I'm a total newb, so you're right, it is billed as a "safer" way to get newbs to try PH. That's not necessarily a bad thing. Dr. D basically says, and I'm paraphrasing here, 60% of the gains with 50% of the sides. That's what attracted me to it. Didn't work out, but not necessarily because the method is flawed.
Besides, it was Celc's idea to use Restore on off days. I blame the Steeler fan...
07-23-2007, 07:10 PM
Blame both your lethargy and headaches on the hormones. Naturally they'll increase BP in some people which will naturally give you a booming headach. Especially if you start off with too much too fast. Next time do as you stated and ramp slowly.... sounds to me like you might be a hyper-responder to some of this stuff(i.e. you can take less to get the same gains... and save some moola. OH HAPPY DAYS!!!)
Celc, defenitly go with some Poseidon + BCAA's.... we've gotten tons of great reviews from this combo, and it works great. Mix about 2scoops poseidon and 15grams BCAA's and sip pre-during-post.
~ Nothing can kill the Grimace!!
07-23-2007, 07:15 PM
07-23-2007, 08:20 PM
Ecto, we followed the suggestions. *shrugs
Prld, how does bulk bcaa taste in poseidon? I see 45 servings for $50 in PW... how many in a kilo of the bulk for $35? I need this stack so that I don't "bonk" 2/3 of the way through my workouts. I go in to every workout head first and run out of mental toughness about 45 minutes into a 70 minute workout.
A stomach flu over the last 2 days has me down 1/2 pound. I pretty much forced my all of my cals though because I'll be dammed if I'm going to lose weight on cycle! Ironically, the cure for the stomach flu is Deadlifts and a Rage Against the Machine Live disc Feeling a little better as we speak.
I had to lower the weights just a bit today, especially after a peculiar "seperation" feeling in my lower back while doing a set of deads. No pain, but I listened to my body and didn't do anything too risky after that. Despite the odds being stacked against me with the stomach and back issues, I had a satisfactory workout and a nice pump.
I'm noticing that I'm more motivated to do power moves since I've been ON. On the flip side, it's a struggle to get the isolation drop sets and super sets. I have a feeling that this won't be a problem come weeks 3 and beyond.
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