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    Yeah I hear yah, hopefully you can spend some time to bring her round ........or not

    I tell my wife about it all and she doesn't agree with all the supplements I do, but she loves the biceps so it evens out

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    Just pointing this out because it sounds like your all sneaking and cheating on your wives with PH/PS's

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    Don't bring the rest of these guys into it by saying "you all"... it's just me. As I've explained to Celc, I hide it because it's really not worth the hassle of explaining it to her. The best example I can give is that when I tried NO-Xplode once in the past, she expressed concern because she thought THAT was a steroid. And taking caffeine in a pill form is a big no-no, because "that's like taking a drug!" Did my argument that caffeine is a drug whether I take it as a pill or she takes as a Diet Coke get me anywhere? Only to the couch for the night.

    That's what I'm up against. I love my wife, but she just doesn't get this stuff and it's better if I just keep quiet about it. In the past when I tried to keep her in the loop about what I was taking, the above exchanges took place. So, judge me if you like, but I don't feel too bad about it.
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    Kabuki, you're an Activate fan. How's it compare to MassFx, if you've tried it?

    T, I'm in the process of trying to convince the CEL rep to carry some transdermals, as another option to the Dermabolics. I'll let ya know if he bites on a premade 6-oxo.

    Fellas, sometimes trying to explain things to a woman is like beating your head against a brick wall... nothing but a big headache :
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    BTW, I wasn't challenging your Sean Connery knowledge at all. I was familiar with the "Untouchables" quote, but it reminded me of that scene from the Indiana Jones movie.
    That scene was from Temple of Doom.

    as for bulk nettle root. I have a couple jars of it but have not used it beyound taste testing it. I love Activate.
    I've tried both and honestly couldn't tell the difference. Nettle + Form stacks quite nicely as T pointed out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by prld2gr8ns View Post
    That scene was from Temple of Doom.



    I've tried both and honestly couldn't tell the difference. Nettle + Form stacks quite nicely as T pointed out.
    Really? I could have sworn that was from Raiders. Hmmm... I may have to watch both and confirm this.

    Aw, who am I kidding? Like I have time for that!
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    Quote Originally Posted by celc5 View Post
    Kabuki, you're an Activate fan. How's it compare to MassFx, if you've tried it?

    T, I'm in the process of trying to convince the CEL rep to carry some transdermals, as another option to the Dermabolics. I'll let ya know if he bites on a premade 6-oxo.

    Fellas, sometimes trying to explain things to a woman is like beating your head against a brick wall... nothing but a big headache :
    i think that dsade would have made the penetrate/formestane premixed if he could. there might be some kind of legal thing involved. you notice that dermabolic has a 6oxo/7dhea thing called metacort. the 6oxo content is very low but gives good results. backing up my theory that 6oxo is much more potent as a transdermal. adding 2gms of bulk 6oxo to e-form was a very successful experiment. cel does clones, so if they put out transdermals im sure they would be resonably priced. thanks for the effort celc, i am all about bringing prices down on supplements. markup in this industry is way to high. i do everything i can to get the word out on inexpensive-quality products, that is a primary purpose for me on this forum. prid is very knowledgeable about saving a buck, kinda con the cheap side-just kidding.
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    Wait sec T... Isn't metacort ATD plus 7o? If it's 6oxo, that needs to be in my next pct for sure

    T, I've heard similar things about legality of TDs. However, I never really followed up with learning more about that.

    Oh and actually, the only thing I suggested where he seemed to bite was a TD 6oxo. So, who knows... we might be on to something here.

    Prld, poseidon is gonna be in my next stack for sure. I'm trying to decide if i wanna drop in EAA or BCAA for my preworkout/during workout mix. You guys have any suggestions?
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    Quote Originally Posted by celc5 View Post
    Wait sec T... Isn't metacort ATD plus 7o? If it's 6oxo, that needs to be in my next post cycle therapy for sure

    T, I've heard similar things about legality of TDs. However, I never really followed up with learning more about that.

    Oh and actually, the only thing I suggested where he seemed to bite was a TD 6oxo. So, who knows... we might be on to something here.

    Prld, poseidon is gonna be in my next stack for sure. I'm trying to decide if i wanna drop in EAA or BCAA for my preworkout/during workout mix. You guys have any suggestions?
    Why drop either? By the way, do you have an update for this log, or are we just BS-ing now? Not that I mind that! How are you feeling? Still happy or raging? What up????

    What workout today?
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    For how sick I am, I'm still in a good mood. I cut down to 1 scoop of protein per shake, increased banana intake, increased water intake. I'm also cutting out cissus, the extra hawthorne, and cycle support for today. Those are all things that seem to be irritating my stomach over the last 2 days. I'll reintroduce all of them again tomorrow if I feel better.

    Tonight is lats and formearms. Lethargy will dictate how intense the workout is. One thing I am concentrating on is continuing with my diet. I've only dropped 1/2 pound morning weight since I've been sick.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EctoPower View Post
    Why drop either? By the way, do you have an update for this log, or are we just BS-ing now? Not that I mind that! How are you feeling? Still happy or raging? What up????

    What workout today?
    I think he meant/said "drop in"...I also had to read it twice to make sure I saw what he said.

    Anyways, I would definitely say BCAA over EAA any day. Whether you go bulk, Xtend, or Excell is up to you....but BCAA for sure.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EctoPower View Post
    Why drop either? By the way, do you have an update for this log, or are we just BS-ing now? Not that I mind that! How are you feeling? Still happy or raging? What up????

    What workout today?
    I was unclear about what I meant with my next stack. I want to "drop in", as in ADD, either BCAA's or EAA to my poseidon. I'd like to pick up one or the other, not both as I'm a cheap skate just like prld
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    Quote Originally Posted by JJC View Post
    I think he meant/said "drop in"...I also had to read it twice to make sure I saw what he said.

    Anyways, I would definitely say BCAA over EAA any day. Whether you go bulk, Xtend, or Excell is up to you....but BCAA for sure.
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    Quote Originally Posted by celc5 View Post
    For how sick I am, I'm still in a good mood. I cut down to 1 scoop of protein per shake, increased banana intake, increased water intake. I'm also cutting out cissus, the extra hawthorne, and cycle support for today. Those are all things that seem to be irritating my stomach over the last 2 days. I'll reintroduce all of them again tomorrow if I feel better.

    Tonight is lats and formearms. Lethargy will dictate how intense the workout is. One thing I am concentrating on is continuing with my diet. I've only dropped 1/2 pound morning weight since I've been sick.
    Start poppin' the Vit C.
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    Quote Originally Posted by celc5 View Post
    For how sick I am, I'm still in a good mood. I cut down to 1 scoop of protein per shake, increased banana intake, increased water intake. I'm also cutting out cissus, the extra hawthorne, and cycle support for today. Those are all things that seem to be irritating my stomach over the last 2 days. I'll reintroduce all of them again tomorrow if I feel better.

    Tonight is lats and formearms. Lethargy will dictate how intense the workout is. One thing I am concentrating on is continuing with my diet. I've only dropped 1/2 pound morning weight since I've been sick.
    Wait a second, how sick? From what? Flu? Is this related to the puking thing, or are you sick from the Halo? I thought the puking was an isolated incident. That sucks man.

    And is the lethargy really rocking you? I swear, I was falling asleep at my desk on Propadrol.

    T or Prld, do all newbs get crushed by lethargy like that, or is it really dose/compound dependent?
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    The lethargy is from this stomach issue. About 1/2 of my patients have a stomach virus so that seems to be what I have. It comes and goes. If anything, I'd like to think the Halo is keeping me going at work today.

    Good call Reaper. The extra C is one supp that I've taken twice today already.

    Just a note, I have not missed any doses of H-drol or E-form.
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    Quote Originally Posted by celc5 View Post
    The lethargy is from this stomach issue. About 1/2 of my patients have a stomach virus so that seems to be what I have. It comes and goes. If anything, I'd like to think the Halo is keeping me going at work today.

    Good call Reaper. The extra C is one supp that I've taken twice today already.

    Just a note, I have not missed any doses of H-drol or E-form.
    good, dont skip any doses. you dont want hormone levels bouncing around. get well,t.
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    ecto, just exactly what are you taking? and yes, if you look at some logs almost everyone takes a stim of some kind to offset lethargy. with the halo clone it doesnt hit till around end of 3rd week. just when the effects are best.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thebigt View Post
    good, dont skip any doses. you dont want hormone levels bouncing around. get well,t.
    Hey T, take a look at post #127.
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    Whoa u were right T, metacort is 7-o + trione!
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    Quote Originally Posted by celc5 View Post
    Hey T, take a look at post #127.
    if you got the cash-purple wraith/poseidon b-a. i really liked purple wraith/poseidon but wanted to try different stuff so i dropped the pw, it aint cheap but imo its the best. together b-a poseidon/pw would be killer for the combination of cm and beta alanine. citrilline mallate/beta alanine is a no brainer. one of the best combos you can get. go to palo alto forum and look at my pw/incarnate/poseidon log. after i added bulk cm it really took off. i am still using this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thebigt View Post
    ecto, just exactly what are you taking? and yes, if you look at some logs almost everyone takes a stim of some kind to offset lethargy. with the halo clone it doesnt hit till around end of 3rd week. just when the effects are best.
    Well, I was pulsing Propadrol with Retain2 on off days. It crushed me. 60mg in two doses on the first day and I felt fine. Lethargy and a wicked headache hit on day 2. Two more 30mg doses on day 3 and the lethargy and headache continued. By the afternoon of day 4, I had enough and bailed. Lethargy and headache continued through day 6 or 7. Bad times. BP was slightly elevated on day 4 when I termed the pulse. Log here:

    Prop Pulsed: All the cool people are doing it!

    I should have started with 30mg instead of 60mg. Oh well. Now I know. Right now I am taking 6-oxo and DHEA. Currently ramping down on the tail end of the cycle. This was intended as my quasi-PCT after the pulse. But it's worked pretty nicely as it's own cycle.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EctoPower View Post
    Well, I was pulsing Propadrol with Retain2 on off days. It crushed me. 60mg in two doses on the first day and I felt fine. Lethargy and a wicked headache hit on day 2. Two more 30mg doses on day 3 and the lethargy and headache continued. By the afternoon of day 4, I had enough and bailed. Lethargy and headache continued through day 6 or 7. Bad times. BP was slightly elevated on day 4 when I termed the pulse. Log here:

    Prop Pulsed: All the cool people are doing it!

    I should have started with 30mg instead of 60mg. Oh well. Now I know. Right now I am taking 6-oxo and DHEA. Currently ramping down on the tail end of the cycle. This was intended as my quasi-PCT after the pulse. But it's worked pretty nicely as it's own cycle.
    this is for future reference. DONT RUN AN ANTI-CORT ON CYCLE. the reason everyone runs an anti-cort post cycle is to prevent rebound. ph are the best anti cort you can take, the retain2, is probably what was causing your problem. do yourself a favor and post a 'what do you think of this thread' next time. pm prid, that guy knows everything-celc is gaining fast. check with one of them next time.
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    Agreed but just one difference with his cycle, he was pulsing. All the doctor D threads suggest to use a cort control on off days during a pulse. On that note, most aren't running the "off day" AI or cort control until about the 3rd week.

    I think it's pretty ironic that pulsing has been under wraps and mysteriously re-appears as soon as epi comes out Sure the bottle lasts longer during a pulse, but the bottle still gets sold if there is promise of less shutdown... just my opinion FWIW.

    FYI for everyone, check out the stickies posted by Dinoiii on Lean Bulk regarding post cycle therapy. Some of the best info I've seen anywhere. His newsletter also sounds promising, although I haven't read it myself yet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by celc5 View Post
    Agreed but just one difference with his cycle, he was pulsing. All the doctor D threads suggest to use a cort control on off days during a pulse. On that note, most aren't running the "off day" AI or cort control until about the 3rd week.

    I think it's pretty ironic that pulsing has been under wraps and mysteriously re-appears as soon as epi comes out Sure the bottle lasts longer during a pulse, but the bottle still gets sold if there is promise of less shutdown... just my opinion FWIW.
    i dont personaly like the idea of pulsing. i like the split dosing of h-drol just because it keeps your levels more consistant, no spiking. who am i to argue with dr.d? i think outside the box, but it makes no sense to me to pulse and take an anti-cort on off days. alot of people dont think you should even start anti-cort till 2nd or 3rd week of pct, i dont agree with this but it strengthens my point about anti-cort on cycle. what kind of rebound you gonna get every other day? shutdown? i ran epi at 4ed for the whole bottle, no shutdown. i ran hema/prop at 50/60 ed, no shutdown. pulsing to me =almost pregnant-either you are or your not. i think the pulsing thing is a hype to get people who otherwise wouldnt try a ph to feel safe enough to try it. just remember a lot of money to be made. power to the people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thebigt View Post
    i think the pulsing thing is a hype to get people who otherwise wouldnt try a ph to feel safe enough to try it
    Quote Originally Posted by celc5 View Post
    Sure the bottle lasts longer during a pulse, but the bottle still gets sold if there is promise of less shutdown
    Prld, anything to add?

    T, did you get pregnant on epi?
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    Quote Originally Posted by celc5 View Post
    Prld, anything to add?

    T, did you get pregnant on epi?
    not yet, but we're trying
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    Man T, did you need to smack me upside the head with so many ?????? Yeeesh! You're officially my "dad" too.

    I really don't think it was the Restore. By the way, I think I said before that I took Retain. I keep mixing those up.

    Anyway, the lethargy was definitely the propadrol because that was present when I woke up on Day 2. That is, before I dosed Restore. The headache maybe is debatable, but if I remember correctly it started pretty early on Day 2 as well after 1 dose. Could the Restore really cause a headache that quickly? If so, what exactly is the mechanism at work from anti-cort that causes the headache? My assumption at the time, along with Celc's, was that the headach was from raised BP. That was confirmed the evening of Day 4 after I termed the pulse when my BP was slightly elevated.

    Regarding the effectiveness of a pulse, I guess it's still tough to say. But the lethargy hit me very quickly and if I had stimmed my way through that and avoided the headache, I think it would have worked as advertised. My goal was not to put on 20 pounds in 4 weeks. It was more like 5-10 pounds in 4-6 weeks. And I'm a total newb, so you're right, it is billed as a "safer" way to get newbs to try PH. That's not necessarily a bad thing. Dr. D basically says, and I'm paraphrasing here, 60% of the gains with 50% of the sides. That's what attracted me to it. Didn't work out, but not necessarily because the method is flawed.

    Besides, it was Celc's idea to use Restore on off days. I blame the Steeler fan...

    J/K bro!
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    Blame both your lethargy and headaches on the hormones. Naturally they'll increase BP in some people which will naturally give you a booming headach. Especially if you start off with too much too fast. Next time do as you stated and ramp slowly.... sounds to me like you might be a hyper-responder to some of this stuff(i.e. you can take less to get the same gains... and save some moola. OH HAPPY DAYS!!!)

    Celc, defenitly go with some Poseidon + BCAA's.... we've gotten tons of great reviews from this combo, and it works great. Mix about 2scoops poseidon and 15grams BCAA's and sip pre-during-post.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EctoPower View Post
    Really? I could have sworn that was from Raiders. Hmmm... I may have to watch both and confirm this.

    Aw, who am I kidding? Like I have time for that!
    Actually now that you mention it.... I'm not real sure either.
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    Ecto, we followed the suggestions. *shrugs

    Prld, how does bulk bcaa taste in poseidon? I see 45 servings for $50 in PW... how many in a kilo of the bulk for $35? I need this stack so that I don't "bonk" 2/3 of the way through my workouts. I go in to every workout head first and run out of mental toughness about 45 minutes into a 70 minute workout.

    Day 8
    A stomach flu over the last 2 days has me down 1/2 pound. I pretty much forced my all of my cals though because I'll be dammed if I'm going to lose weight on cycle! Ironically, the cure for the stomach flu is Deadlifts and a Rage Against the Machine Live disc Feeling a little better as we speak.

    I had to lower the weights just a bit today, especially after a peculiar "seperation" feeling in my lower back while doing a set of deads. No pain, but I listened to my body and didn't do anything too risky after that. Despite the odds being stacked against me with the stomach and back issues, I had a satisfactory workout and a nice pump.

    I'm noticing that I'm more motivated to do power moves since I've been ON. On the flip side, it's a struggle to get the isolation drop sets and super sets. I have a feeling that this won't be a problem come weeks 3 and beyond.
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    get better bro. you got a lot of guys pulling for ya.:dl:
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    Quote Originally Posted by thebigt View Post
    get better bro. you got a lot of guys pulling for ya.:dl:
    HIGH FIVE!

    T, there's a guy on supplement boards that is really curious about compariing ralox to other serms. It would be cool if you stop over there and share your experience whenever you get a chance. The thread is in the research chemicals forum.
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    Quote Originally Posted by celc5 View Post
    HIGH FIVE!

    T, there's a guy on supplement boards that is really curious about compariing ralox to other serms. It would be cool if you stop over there and share your experience whenever you get a chance. The thread is in the research chemicals formula.
    pm me. but got to say serms are personal preference. i like ralox because its good for bones. toremifene is great if you get shutdown but i dont run heavy enough cycles to get shutdown. serms to me are like life insurance-good to have but hope you dont need it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by celc5 View Post
    Prld, how does bulk bcaa taste in poseidon? I see 45 servings for $50 in PW... how many in a kilo of the bulk for $35? I need this stack so that I don't "bonk" 2/3 of the way through my workouts. I go in to every workout head first and run out of mental toughness about 45 minutes into a 70 minute workout.
    Honestly bulk BCAA's taste like powdered turds, I usually go with excell watermelon to add to Poseidon... taste great and goes down smooth. Buuuut, if you think your man enough go with the bulk, just make sure you have serious stock in Crystal Lite. Couldn't really give you a guess on bulk servings though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by prld2gr8ns View Post
    Honestly bulk BCAA's taste like powdered turds, I usually go with excell watermelon to add to Poseidon... taste great and goes down smooth. Buuuut, if you think your man enough go with the bulk, just make sure you have serious stock in Crystal Lite. Couldn't really give you a guess on bulk servings though.
    SOB!!! That's EXACTLY why I was asking!!! any idea how to change an order on np? ...just hit the checkout button like 2 minutes ago
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    Quote Originally Posted by celc5 View Post
    SOB!!! That's EXACTLY why I was asking!!! any idea how to change an order on np? ...just hit the checkout button like 2 minutes ago
    haha, i told you to go with pw. prid is trying to save you money but pw really is better, esp when mixed with poseidon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thebigt View Post
    haha, i told you to go with pw. prid is trying to save you money but pw really is better, esp when mixed with poseidon.
    SCREW ALL OF YOU!!! I have roid rage now Hope you're all getting a good laugh!

    ...sent a contact message to np, hopefully the order won't go through until after someone sees my message.

    The after pct stack looks like this:
    Morning: poseidon, 4g AAKG, 2-5g C.mono
    Lunch: 4g AAKG, 2-5g mono
    Preworkout: pos+bcaa+cit mal
    Before bed: pos

    I know all of your blame AAKG for all the world's problems... I like it so I'm using it. ...where's the "pout" icon when you need it.
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    You can usually contact customer service with your order number and problem and they should fix it... there good about that. Another way I've did before is just to reply to the order status email.

    I think you'll be okay celc.
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    Seriously, I LOVE this log. Good times all around!

    Glad you're feeling better Celc, and yes I'm laughing at your roid rage. Hey, at least you know the stuff is working, right? Unlike AAKG, which doesn't work... Sorry, you asked for it! Be careful with that back man. I'm not telling you anything you don't already know from your job, but I've got a herniated disc that forced me to change up a lot of stuff to work around it and it's a giant pain in the *ss. Avoid at all costs!

    Prld, I was thinking the same thing about me being a hyper responder. There's no other reason why I would get hit that fast while taking what is regarded as a mild compound. Good thing I didn't decide to start out with Superdrol or M1T. At least I reserched enough to know that would be a bad idea! While being a hyper responder would allow me to get more with less, I may never try a PH again. Although Celc having such good/happy feelings with Halo makes me wonder if that would be a better cycle for me. Hmmmm...
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    Prld and ecto, that's exactly what I did. Thanks for the suggestions. So I have the small container of poseidon and purple wrath on the way. I'll try em both out seperately and together and give the verdict.

    My idea with AAKG is sort of like the people that like glutamine. It works for me so I go with it.

    Ecto, I'm 100% honest with my logs. Although drama is entertaing, there is ZERO embellishment in regards to the substance on my part... just ask T what I wrote about Jungle Warfare (not exactly a good report card).

    Also ecto, I've felt this before in my back. I have a pretty cool back extension program that I'll add to my saturday workout that isolates each individual paraspinal group. I'll be careful for sure dude!
  

  
 

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