H-drol + E-form: Recomp Log

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  1. Quote Originally Posted by celc5 View Post
    Reaper, even though your avatar makes me cringe, I see what you're saying. 50mg for 4 weeks is the primary plan.

    I have the second bottle ready if I feel good and want to keep it going for 6 weeks TOPS. Just about every single halo logger says "I saw some gains at the end of week 3/early week 4 and I wish I would have ran it for 6 weeks." So, I'm prepared in case I feel the same way.

    On the safety side, which is what I assume you are referring to, I preloaded milk thistle, hawthorne berry, and omegas for liver, heart, and cholesterol. Still runnin the omegas and hawthorne WITH cycle support while ON and the milk thistle will come into play again on day 1 post cycle therapy.

    If you are referring to shutdown, I'm not afraid AT ALL. I have a very solid post cycle therapy planned and have complete confidence in torem, massfx, restore.

    T & P, maybe you guys can offer some more input on the relatively low incidence of problems from these halo clones.

    Sounds good. I am still thinking about doing a 50mg for 30 days of hdrol at some point in time, but not for awhile since I am making gains naturally and have not hit a limit (although my gains are not as big as they used to be when I first started). At any rate maybe I could try a pulse or something when I do try it...(although it is pretty mild even as full blown usage).


  2. Quote Originally Posted by ReaperX View Post
    Sounds good. I am still thinking about doing a 50mg for 30 days of hdrol at some point in time, but not for awhile since I am making gains naturally and have not hit a limit (although my gains are not as big as they used to be when I first started). At any rate maybe I could try a pulse or something when I do try it...(although it is pretty mild even as full blown usage).
    Good choice on holding off till you plateau. I've been pretty stagnant for a few months so the cycle timing is pretty good for me. Well, I'll be your test subject. I'm about 196 at 16% so that should give you an idea of how things go. IMO pulsing h-drol would not be very beneficial.
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by ReaperX View Post
    Sounds good. I am still thinking about doing a 50mg for 30 days of hdrol at some point in time, but not for awhile since I am making gains naturally and have not hit a limit (although my gains are not as big as they used to be when I first started). At any rate maybe I could try a pulse or something when I do try it...(although it is pretty mild even as full blown usage).
    first off, nice move on the avatar. thank you, it was messing up my wet dreams. thats a smart move to get all you can naturally before moving on to a ph. before you go to ph, try the hdx2/mass fx, activate extreme, or dth. btw dont waste your time pulsing, when you feel you are ready to do a ph, commit to it. :burg:
    WELL DONE IS BETTER THAN WELL SAID

  4. Quick update: my mood is fantastic today. Even my most incredibly annoying pateints are tolerable today. In fact, if neo had a rotator cuff strain, even he would be tolerable today

    Also, up 2 pounds this am on an empty stomach. 196.4. Water weight? I dunno but I look really hard and my shoulder to waist ratio looks a lot better. T, you scream placebo, I say "form works effing FAST FAST FAST for me!!!"

  5. Celc-

    Your have similar stats as me. I am 5'9" 186lbs and 15% BF. What's your height ?
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  6. Here's my routine per Ecto's request.

    Focus of routine: BOTH power and hypertrophy
    *5x5 power moves
    *volume with SS/drops through the rest of the routine
    *Splits are arranged to start with a heavy pull during the week. These pulls HELP to relieve shoulder discomfort.
    *I do 15 minutes of cardio before workouts to warm up my shoulder and swim 2-3x/wk for 30min.

    Monday: Lats and Forearms
    Deads (5x5)
    WG Pullups (5 sets to failure)
    Neutral Grip Pullup (2 sets to failure)
    DB Hammer Curls (3x8-12 with a drop)
    Rev Grip BB Rows (2 high rep sets to failure)

    Tuesday: Traps, Quads, Triceps
    BB Shrugs (5x5) SS Post Delts (high reps)
    Squats (5x5)
    Clean/Front Squat (2 high rep sets asstograss)
    Decline Tri Extension (3 high rep sets)
    Tri Kickback (2 drop sets)

    Wed or Thursday:

    Abs and Cardio
    The other day is a day off pending work schedule

    Friday: Hams, Back, Bis
    SLDL (5x5)
    DB SLDL (2x20)
    BB Row (5x5) SS BO DB Row (5 sets of reps)
    BB Curl (5x5)
    Incline curl (3x8-12) SS Prone "preacher" curl (3x8-12)

    Saturday: Chest, Shoulders, Calves
    Decline Bench (5x5)
    CGBP (3x8-12) SS DB Bench (3x8-12)
    Seated Shoulder Press (3x12-15)
    Front Raise (3x15) SS Laterals (3x15)
    Calf Raise (5x5) SS Seated Calf Raise (5x12-15)

    Sunday: Off or light cardio w/abs

  7. Quote Originally Posted by celc5 View Post
    Here's my routine per Ecto's request.

    Focus of routine: BOTH power and hypertrophy
    *5x5 power moves
    *volume with SS/drops through the rest of the routine
    *Splits are arranged to start with a heavy pull during the week. These pulls HELP to relieve shoulder discomfort.
    *I do 15 minutes of cardio before workouts to warm up my shoulder and swim 2-3x/wk for 30min.

    Monday: Lats and Forearms
    Deads (5x5)
    WG Pullups (5 sets to failure)
    Neutral Grip Pullup (2 sets to failure)
    DB Hammer Curls (3x8-12 with a drop)
    Rev Grip BB Rows (2 high rep sets to failure)

    Tuesday: Traps, Quads, Triceps
    BB Shrugs (5x5) SS Post Delts (high reps)
    Squats (5x5)
    Clean/Front Squat (2 high rep sets asstograss)
    Decline Tri Extension (3 high rep sets)
    Tri Kickback (2 drop sets)

    Wed or Thursday:

    Abs and Cardio
    The other day is a day off pending work schedule

    Friday: Hams, Back, Bis
    SLDL (5x5)
    DB SLDL (2x20)
    BB Row (5x5) SS BO DB Row (5 sets of reps)
    BB Curl (5x5)
    Incline curl (3x8-12) SS Prone "preacher" curl (3x8-12)

    Saturday: Chest, Shoulders, Calves
    Decline Bench (5x5)
    CGBP (3x8-12) SS DB Bench (3x8-12)
    Seated Shoulder Press (3x12-15)
    Front Raise (3x15) SS Laterals (3x15)
    Calf Raise (5x5) SS Seated Calf Raise (5x12-15)

    Sunday: Off or light cardio w/abs
    Nice. Do you avoid military because of your shoulder injury?

    You're gonna blow up hyoooge!! Kick *ss bro! Have fun with those squats today. Asstograss, baby! :squat:

  8. Quote Originally Posted by EctoPower View Post
    Nice. Do you avoid military because of your shoulder injury?
    Yup, you are right on. I use DBs for shoulder presses at a slight incline (about -15 degrees from straight up 90) and use a slightly nuetral grip. I keep the weight light and the reps high. My shoulder is feeling good and I will NOT do anything to jeopardize that.

    I do decline bench, CGBP, and DB Flats to avoid any sort of shoulder irritation. I'm a big fan of incline presses but have to sacrafice them to let my joint heal.

    I got all my pushes (chest and shoulders) on the same day so that I have plenty of time to recover. Actually, I had NO PAIN after last weeks push workout so I hope to really pile it on the declines on this cycle. I'll be smart if the pain reoccurs though.

  9. Day 4:
    Supps: same dosages
    Workout: cardio and abs

    Pros: definately fuller looking today. Mild resting vascularity is popping up. Mood is fantastic.

    Cons: very mild palpitations last night led to some really awkward sleep patterns. It's the form cause it always happens when ramp too fast. I'll keep it at 60 until my body gets used to it again.

  10. Reaper: I'm 5'10" if I wear 2 pairs of socks

    BigT: I pm'd that cel guy on DA.

    I feel GREAT!!! I could snap and PRO HORMONE RAGE at any second in my log

    ...um, not scared?

    ...not even a little?

    ...hmph

  11. I"m so f'n hot and horny to start my form run I can now see why people only do so many logs, because they need you basically clean of other supps.

    I think I'm going to do my epidrol pulse with form, leviathan leading into mass fx / HDx2 for PCT.

    You inspire me truly Celc, you and bigT both. I'm so happy that I found you guys both raving about Form. I think it's gonna be the bees knees!

    Much Love

    Neoborn.

    P.s. /subbed and keep up the f'n great log.

  12. Neo, Ecto and I were discussing form in his propadrol pulse plan. We came to the conclussion that using form as your ON ai during a pulse might not be such a good idea because of it's steroidal properties.

    Theoretically, you are pulsing so that your own test will rebound. However, the form also delivers a steroidal conversion (I believe thesinner mentions it in your thread) on off days. The natural test may not have the opportunity to rebound and you'd end up shut down with less gains than if you ran a straight cycle.

    I'm just thinking out loud here. Wathca think neo?

  13. Added a "significant events" category to post #2. That way, others can see what's going on without sifting through our chatter... that doesn't mean to stop the chatter though. We got lots of smart stuffs to discussisuses! The good energy is contagious and gets me PUMPED for my cycle fellas

  14. looks like you boys are having fun in here.

    good luck with your log celc.

    i'm not familiar with formestane so i will have to be doing some research.
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  15. Quote Originally Posted by celc5 View Post
    Neo, Ecto and I were discussing form in his propadrol pulse plan. We came to the conclussion that using form as your ON ai during a pulse might not be such a good idea because of it's steroidal properties.

    Theoretically, you are pulsing so that your own test will rebound. However, the form also delivers a steroidal conversion (I believe thesinner mentions it in your thread) on off days. The natural test may not have the opportunity to rebound and you'd end up shut down with less gains than if you ran a straight cycle.

    I'm just thinking out loud here. Wathca think neo?
    Hey! Don't rain on my parade . Ok good input then what would you recommend? Maybe do my form on it's own first? Do a 4 week cycle first? hmmm?

    Quote Originally Posted by kabuki View Post
    looks like you boys are having fun in here.

    good luck with your log celc.

    i'm not familiar with formestane so i will have to be doing some research.
    See my sig Kabukikikiki for our / my faq on this substance.

  16. Quote Originally Posted by celc5 View Post
    Neo, Ecto and I were discussing form in his propadrol pulse plan. We came to the conclussion that using form as your ON ai during a pulse might not be such a good idea because of it's steroidal properties.

    Theoretically, you are pulsing so that your own test will rebound. However, the form also delivers a steroidal conversion (I believe thesinner mentions it in your thread) on off days. The natural test may not have the opportunity to rebound and you'd end up shut down with less gains than if you ran a straight cycle.

    I'm just thinking out loud here. Wathca think neo?
    Yeah, Celc's take on this made sense to me, so I ended up using Restore for my AI/cort control on pulse. I went against the Form for PCT only for the sake of convenience. It sounds great and would probably kick my *ss, but I can't commit to all the work involved with the transdermal application. I went with 6-oxo instead for my AI/Free test.

    Speaking of that, Celc, I am going with 500mg today and then starting my taper tomorrow as such:
    2 days at 400mg
    2 days at 300mg
    4 days at 200mg
    5 days at 100mg

    I just had to try one day at 500mg. I took 300mg this morning before my workout and holy h*ll! I was swole like I was "on." I'll take another 200mg around lunch and see how the afternoon goes. I've had such a low instance of sides that I felt OK pushing it to 500mg for one day. Up to 185 pounds and I'm going to measure BF again this weekend.

    Sorry for the quick thread jack... Keep up the great work on this log. You're the shizzle!

  17. Ecto, this is a fun log meant to motivate and for everyone to share their experiences. We all love it that you are having such a good time with 6-oxo. Neo might even give you a hug

    Neo, maybe T could also give you some suggestions here for a formestane solo run. I'd run it solo for 4-6 weeks. Ramping up by 10-20mg every 3-4 days (to make sure you don't get irritable or heart palpitations like my dumbass did ramping too fast). Then taper in the same fashion. Run it with staples like your creatine, Beta alanine (if you are a fan), and you're favorite kiddie pump product (A-Akg and/or cit mal). I swear it will be a blast on it's own dude. You should be convinced already anyway

    Kabuki, feel free to add anything you want to this log. You're technique on your utube deadlifts is effing FANTASTIC!!! ...and that's coming from a physical therapist who is super picky about body mechanics.

  18. Oh my god, I just looked at Kabuki's you tubed videos. Holy weight batman! Very impressive. And is that in your friggin basement? If so, how long did it take you to get all that set up? It's quite the home gym dude!

    Nicely done.

  19. fabrication is my hobby. built it all myself. started training full time there at the begining of year.


    Celc...i just ran 6 weeks of halodrol at 75mg. i honestly didn't think it was that potent at that dosage. I had it stacked with finigex. last time a ran a stack was 1.5 years ago and it was finignex and prostanazol (a week non meythl). I pretty much had the same results as last time i ran it.

    i would have bumped my dosage but only had 2 boxes to work with.

    thanks for the comments. i'm a slow learner and it took me a long time get form donw
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  20. Quote Originally Posted by kabuki View Post
    fabrication is my hobby. built it all myself. started training full time there at the begining of year.


    Celc...i just ran 6 weeks of halodrol at 75mg. i honestly didn't think it was that potent at that dosage. I had it stacked with finigex. last time a ran a stack was 1.5 years ago and it was finignex and prostanazol (a week non meythl). I pretty much had the same results as last time i ran it.

    i would have bumped my dosage but only had 2 boxes to work with.

    thanks for the comments. i'm a slow learner and it took me a long time get form donw
    Well then, I'm doubly impressed that you built it yourself. I was thinking how much it would cost me to buy all that and how long it would take to get it all buying one or two pieces at a time. The plates alone would set you back, what, a couple grand?

    Anyway, it looks awesome. Better than the crap-hole I lift at.

    Reps for the log too. Very cool to see some video.

  21. Quote Originally Posted by kabuki View Post
    fabrication is my hobby. built it all myself. started training full time there at the begining of year.


    Celc...i just ran 6 weeks of halodrol at 75mg. i honestly didn't think it was that potent at that dosage. I had it stacked with finigex. last time a ran a stack was 1.5 years ago and it was finignex and prostanazol (a week non meythl). I pretty much had the same results as last time i ran it.

    i would have bumped my dosage but only had 2 boxes to work with.

    thanks for the comments. i'm a slow learner and it took me a long time get form donw
    keep in mind you are hardcore man. plus its celts first time on ph cycle. kubuki im curious, you ever tried formestane. oh yeah slow learner-yeah right, we should all be so slow.
    WELL DONE IS BETTER THAN WELL SAID

  22. Quote Originally Posted by kabuki View Post
    Celc...i just ran 6 weeks of halodrol at 75mg. i honestly didn't think it was that potent at that dosage. I had it stacked with finigex. last time a ran a stack was 1.5 years ago and it was finignex and prostanazol (a week non meythl). I pretty much had the same results as last time i ran it.

    i would have bumped my dosage but only had 2 boxes to work with.
    Kabuki, any shutdown or other sides with 75 at 6 wks? How much did you weigh when you ran it? Did ya need to serm in pct?

    Agreed that your experience seems typical. That's why I added the formestane. I'm prepared to bump the dosage a few times pending advice from those experienced with the compound.

  23. Quote Originally Posted by celc5 View Post
    Kabuki, any shutdown or other sides with 75 at 6 wks? How much did you weigh when you ran it? Did ya need to serm in post cycle therapy?

    Agreed that your experience seems typical. That's why I added the formestane. I'm prepared to bump the dosage a few times pending advice from those experienced with the compound.
    Uh-oh... Celc's gettin' ideas! I can see the wheels turning in his head from here...

    Be careful funnyman! Remember that week 3 seems to be the peak for Halo. I'd be wary of upping the dosage before then. Unless you're really not getting any benefits at the current dosage.

  24. By the way, I love how paternalistic BigT was in coming to your defense there. Like a dad grabbing his kid just before he goes running into traffic! "Now remember, junior. Stop and look both ways before crossing the street..."



  25. Quote Originally Posted by EctoPower View Post
    By the way, I love how paternalistic BigT was in coming to your defense there. Like a dad grabbing his kid just before he goes running into traffic! "Now remember, junior. Stop and look both ways before crossing the street..."
    I've been thinking that from day 1 about T. I try not to say anything as gay as you just put it though

    I'm thinking 75 at week 4-6 if I get there. That being said, I believe the halo might be just slightly kicking in already. Mood enhancement and I'm a bit harder at day 5 than I normally am with formestane alone. So 50 might be enough for me all the way through.

    Side note, gettin damm blurred vision from the ai again. That's irritating but goes away after I go off any ai. I went to the eye doctor at week 3 of restore with blurred vision (just happened to have a checkup plann). I told him what I was doing and said that I was fine and not to worry.

  26. Quote Originally Posted by celc5 View Post
    I've been thinking that from day 1 about T. I try not to say anything as gay as you just put it though

    I'm thinking 75 at week 4-6 if I get there. That being said, I believe the halo might be just slightly kicking in already. Mood enhancement and I'm a bit harder at day 5 than I normally am with formestane alone. So 50 might be enough for me all the way through.

    Side note, gettin damm blurred vision from the ai again. That's irritating but goes away after I go off any ai. I went to the eye doctor at week 3 of restore with blurred vision (just happened to have a checkup plann). I told him what I was doing and said that I was fine and not to worry.

    First of all, don't dis your dad like that... He'll break out the switch on your *ss!

    That is really interesting about blurred vision. I was literally just thinking yesterday that my vision was changing and I needed to get checked out! Never heard of this as a side with AI's. Guess I'll hold off on the checkup until after I'm off of the 6-oxo. Thanks again Celc! You're my hero, even if you are a Steeler lovin' hill-jack.

  27. Quote Originally Posted by EctoPower View Post
    First of all, don't dis your dad like that... He'll break out the switch on your *ss!

    That is really interesting about blurred vision. I was literally just thinking yesterday that my vision was changing and I needed to get checked out! Never heard of this as a side with AI's. Guess I'll hold off on the checkup until after I'm off of the 6-oxo. Thanks again Celc! You're my hero, even if you are a Steeler lovin' hill-jack.
    you shouldnt have let me know he's a steeler fan. still pissed about the playoff game 2 years ago. no way rottenburger should have caught daniels, i was ill for a week. i do like the bus though. btw it comes from the military, you learn to watch out for your buddies.
    WELL DONE IS BETTER THAN WELL SAID

  28. Quote Originally Posted by thebigt View Post
    you shouldnt have let me know he's a steeler fan. still pissed about the playoff game 2 years ago. no way rottenburger should have caught daniels, i was ill for a week. i do like the bus though. btw it comes from the military, you learn to watch out for your buddies.
    Very cool T. You seem like a good guy. And I'm sure Celc will appreciate having a shoulder to cry on when the Browns beat the Steelers this year.

    By the way, you may not realize that The Bus retired. Do they not get ESPN in the nursing home?

  29. I'm one of those super rediculous die hard steeler fans. That's why I don't bring it up here so that we don't kill each other

    That being said I love the nfl in general and have favorite players on every team. I used to dig that Droughns (sp?) for the Browns ecto, but i think he signed elsewhere this year.

    T, I heard an interview with Tony Dungy last week when he was in Pittsburgh promoting his new book. That's a class act man for sure. He was pretty happy sounding in the interview so he must have been using a halo clone too

    On topic: 2 comments today from patients and my secretary on an authoratativeness about me today.

    CELC5 = ALPHA MALE

    Oh ya, hey ecto, when we won the super bowl, I was nailing a chick from Seattle that just moved to pittsburgh... ironic right?

  30. Quote Originally Posted by celc5 View Post
    I'm one of those super rediculous die hard steeler fans. That's why I don't bring it up here so that we don't kill each other

    That being said I love the nfl in general and have favorite players on every team. I used to dig that Droughns (sp?) for the Browns ecto, but i think he signed elsewhere this year.

    T, I heard an interview with Tony Dungy last week when he was in Pittsburgh promoting his new book. That's a class act man for sure. He was pretty happy sounding in the interview so he must have been using a halo clone too

    On topic: 2 comments today from patients and my secretary on an authoratativeness about me today.

    CELC5 = ALPHA MALE

    Oh ya, hey ecto, when we won the super bowl, I was nailing a chick from Seattle that just moved to pittsburgh... ironic right?
    lets hope tony isnt using halo clones. he's got some serious male pattern baldness going on when we won the super bowl i was at work, had to watch it on tape.and no ecto i wasnt working at the nursing home.
    WELL DONE IS BETTER THAN WELL SAID
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