H-drol + E-form: Recomp Log
- 08-29-2007, 10:17 PM
WEEZY, this is a pretty messy log so I'll help to catch you up.
Post #2 on page 1 has signficant events
Post #372 on page 13 has the final review
My cycle went like this:
H-drol: 50mg week 1-3, 75mg week 4-5
Formestane: ramped up to 160mg TD and then tapered
PCT (I'm in week 2):
Staples/continued health support
Feel free to ask any questions bud.
- 08-29-2007, 11:25 PM
ive never had any trouble mixing 2-3 grams 6oxo powder in e-form, just shake the shiit out of it every use. i stand by my statement that 6oxo is much better td. btw the colts destroyed the lions-even jim sorgi threw 2 tds. izza:
- 08-30-2007, 04:35 AM
5-6gr total seems to be a good number to go with the eform carrier, especially when adding 6oxo.~ Nothing can kill the Grimace!!
08-30-2007, 02:14 PM
08-31-2007, 07:54 PM
08-31-2007, 08:40 PM
Week 2 Post Cycle Update
Week 2 supplements included:
MassFx 4-5 caps/day
Restore 2 caps/day
Poseidon 3 scoops/day
Continued health support (omegas, hawthorne, thistle, niacin, sam-e)
Staples vary day to day: TRAC, mono, A-akg, cit mal, and purple wrath, paravol
Cramps are no longer an issue. Lethargy is only an issue when I don't get more than 7 hours of sleep. Sleep seems to be VERY touchy in the post cycle time frame and is a big challenge for me and my social life
Libido is up and down, much like it was when I was running the ALRI natural stack. So, I'm spreading out 2 caps of paravol throughout the day just in case a friendly situation occurs
I'm staying CLOSE to my on cycle macros. I'm still shoveling the cals down and it's also a challenge with a spuradoc appetite.
The MassFx is nice at 5 caps but I'd say that I'd need 6 or 8 caps per day to compare to formestane or even 6 oxo. It's not a disappointment, but for $45 bucks, it's not cost effective whatsoever. Same goes for Restore which would be really nice at a double dose I bet.
Body comp wise, I'm weighing in around 201ish. I haven't used the caliper and it's difficult to visualize because of mild creatine bloat. I feel very "flat" on non-workout days but still get fantastic pumps during/after workouts.
Workouts are staying strong and haven't faltered much at all in post cycle. I changed my routine to "mentally mask" any loss of strength that occurs without the prohormones. This has been a SPECTACULAR decision to change the routine and it's very psychologically beneficial. I would be in the tank right now if I stayed with the same routine and the weights weren't moving any more.
08-31-2007, 08:54 PM
paravol worked well for me, but it took awhile to kick in. gonna pm ya bout something.
09-02-2007, 05:24 AM
09-02-2007, 03:53 PM
Routine while on gear
Shop talk occurs in post #15, 17, and 24.
I changed my 5x5 strategy to a more typical pyramid style with increasing weights. That way, if I felt good, I'd pile the weights on as I did on cycle. Otherwise, I had the option of keeping the lift at 8-12 reps. This is working well for squats and SLDL especially.
I swapped a few of the mid range moves for alternates, such as DB lunge instead of cleans and typical cable work instead of pullups. Flipped the grip from overhand to underhand BB rows... etc etc. This way, I have no idea if I'm losing any strength in post cycle and the workouts are still pretty fun.
I've also lowered overall volume to 3 really hardcore lifting days rather than 4. Finally, I cut out drop sets and supersets in my finishing moves, unless I felt really really good that day.
09-03-2007, 04:11 PM
Actually, no dinoiii has NOT seen neoborn's review of form. Please do tell what you feel to be similar language as I am checking out his piece after I type this. I do NOT use forums as a source of research and actually am quite insulted on this suggestion.
My apologies to those that didn't care for it. Hype or not, it served its purpose and most who have commented didn't share your sentiment.
One thing you must understand is that my rationale for its employment was merely to introduce the ORAL Form/6-Bromo discussion for the study that followed - NOT give what you may figure to be a discussion on TD (which I gave rationale for NOT using that I believe inclusive of talk in your DA log).
Aside: Also, to update others further in this thread...my lab results on ActivaTe Xtreme were released this week...due to all the Divanil discussion in this thread - that may be of interest to some (bb.com and DA both).
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09-03-2007, 04:15 PM
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09-03-2007, 04:21 PM
Good to see you over here Dana.
09-03-2007, 05:36 PM
09-03-2007, 05:40 PM
09-03-2007, 07:02 PM
holy cow dinoii, there are 414 rambling posts in this thread. i just went through the first and last 4 pages and didnt see a reference to you, unless you think the dr.d we're refering to is you? if not i cant believe you went through all those posts, wow ive got to hand it to you!
09-03-2007, 08:24 PM
T, he's right. He's referring to a post where I said that neo's form FAQ was more informative. I mentioned to you guys that he was going to cover formestane in his newsletter. Then when the newsletter came out, I felt obligated to share my opinion in my thread. My opinion was that it has not revealed anything that convinces me that oral form is a better option than TD. It was also my opinion that there was more formestane learning to be had in neo's thread. My intensions were not criticize the newsletter, although a sensitive reader may have interpretted it that way.
He's also right in that I said the language looked similar. Since this occured over a month ago, I don't remember specifics other than noticing similar language while reading the newsletter.
I'll be more careful to add the words IN MY OPINION from now on. I'm not sure why someone who has as much to offer as doc continues to be upset by my opinions. I've been reading his posts and articles for almost a year and find almost every single one to be useful
Edit: I'm going to look into why I made that comment about similar language. I won't discuss it any further on the boards unless I should be apalogizing for speaking out of turn. Otherwise, I'll take it to private messages.
Edit: After reviewing my posts, I apologize for saying "...I could be wrong, but I suspect that that neo's post was a source of information..." I guess the disclaimer "I could be wrong" wasn't enough and wasn't fair for me to assume the source. I'll be sure not to mention other's work in my threads to avoid future conflict. Heaven forbid discussion on a message board
09-04-2007, 03:24 AM
What I did was do an initial search for "dinoiii" on the major forum, which is how I locate my name on other forums (how many people have a moniker as silly?).
Then I search the thread for where exactly it is.
Nope, I certainly don't have time to search through all the threads by any stretch and NO Dr.D and I understand very well who each other are.
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09-04-2007, 03:33 AM
Again, no matter on what is said really...this is thread number 2 where I am questioned by you on rationale for the Form thoughts (though admittedly the one on DA was more of an "overkill" suggestion and my statements are likely an extension of that). If your perception is that I shouldn't be offended alone, don't worry I'm not...I have had my share of critics over the years.
However, its one of those considerations that if someone is continually caught holding the match, you begin to start thinking they set the fire. If this were the first suggestion, then fine ... maybe, but this is after I read the DA thoughts which ***** the above. When I read this one, it seemingly suggested similar tone and followed with "blowing mine out of the water" when there is something surely that was being accomplished with mine and it had NOTHING to do with neos...in fact, if we had similar language - well, then there is nothing to blow out of the water with similar posts then, is there?
In any event....it matters not. Part II will still go up and the results are supportive of what I am suggesting anyway (as anticipated). If we remain merely at impasse as to which route is "better," then so be it. I think my mere suggestion attempted to aid two woes with TD.
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09-05-2007, 11:26 AM
dinoii, i am very interested in where this research on form is headed. as it is 1.form tastes like crap 2.not cost effective v td.3.we know how effective td is. i am hoping you are researching a formula like pa came up with via resveratrol to make formestane orally effective. if this is your intention you have my 100% support. i think there is a market beyond belief for a mainstream oral formestane pill. imo pa is so vested in 6oxo or else he would have already been working on this. :donut:
09-08-2007, 12:50 AM
did you guys see what the COLTS did to the saints? this is going to be a great year for THE DEFENDING NATIONAL FOOTBALL LEAGUE CHAMPION'S-INDIANAPOLIS COLTS. sorry celc does pittsburgh have a football team?
09-08-2007, 09:28 AM
T there is such an imbalance between the AFC and NFC. I'd say the top 10 teams in the AFC could pretty much walk right through the NFC playoffs (based on last year obviously). The Saints are a fan-friendly popular team that would struggle to win 7 or 8 games in the AFC. I believe the same is true for Bears, Eagles, and Seahawks as well.
Week 3 Post Cycle Update
Restore 3 caps
Mfx 4 caps
Activate 4 caps (added this week)
Continued health support, bulk creatine mono
I feel 100% recovered. I have no remaining sides from the cycle and I believe my body comp has begun to move in the right direction again this week. Compound moves in the post cycle modified rep ranges are beginning to climb in weight, most notably squats (which I had difficulty with on cycle ). No power has been lost on push moves, and continues moving slolwy in a positive direction, which was the primary issue for me in the gym before this cycle
Supplement wise, 4 Mfx just didn't cut it. So I opened up the on-sale Activate that I had in my stash for a double dose of Divanil. I'm not positive, but I'd guess that there's MORE divanil in Activate than Mfx. It just feels more potent to me. Regardless, I've dropped the paravol b/c the Mfx/Activate combo has the libido almost annoyingly high again.
My plan is to continue to taper Torem and hold steady with my dosage of test boosters and AI for week 4. I'm also eagerly anticipating a good 7-10 days break from the gym within 2-3 weeks.
09-08-2007, 11:14 AM
good to hear. keep it up
09-08-2007, 11:32 AM
09-08-2007, 04:12 PM
09-09-2007, 06:01 PM
T, ya, that's about where I'm at with 8 caps. 4 caps Mfx, 4caps Activate. Mild pump, mild hardness, increased libido, mild aggression, and 1 or 2 backne instances. Not really a supplement that I'm convinced is very effective at recommended dosage. Is it just me, or is EVERYTHING underdosed
09-09-2007, 06:35 PM
09-09-2007, 09:18 PM
Celc, nice job so far in PCT!
I'm with you on the MFX. Today was my first day at 5 caps and we'll see how my lift goes in the morning at that dose. But I'm going straight to 6 per day if I don't start getting results this week. I'd rather blow through my bottle early and get a few good workouts with a decent dose than ride out a sub-par "cycle." So far, I'd have to say I like the effects of 6OXO much better than MFX. Both end up being pretty pricey if I want to get a good, active dose though.
Maybe I'll look into Activate in the future.
By the way, I'll be wearing a paper bag to work tomorrow, as the Browns have shamed me in ways I can't even describe. Have you ever seen a quarterback(s) blow a game for a team so badly? Did the Browns get the only two QBs in the league who expect to have 5 seconds to throw the ball? Frye and Anderson both obviously lack an internal clock and have no idea at all where the pressure is coming from. I was angry this afternoon.
But I know the MFX wasn't working because if it was, I would have been throwing things at the TV...
09-09-2007, 09:25 PM
Ecto, agreed. That's why I traded for my 6oxo and I'll increase the dosage probably with bulk trione to up the dose and keep the price reasonable for next time I use it.
Also, you'll need a serm and some trib to get your balls back after watching the browns
09-09-2007, 11:02 PM
09-09-2007, 11:05 PM
09-10-2007, 11:20 AM
I have no real response to that. The Browns sucked. I really didn't expect them to win, but they looked like a high school freshman team. Like the Keystone Cops trying to play football. It was awful. And it doesn't get any easier. Cincy in town this week.
The only consolation from yesterday is that I have Hines Ward on my fantasy team.
09-10-2007, 11:37 AM
09-15-2007, 01:49 PM
Who's up for putting Bill Belichek in a cage with Mike Vick's dogs?
Week 4 Post Cycle- Final Update
Restore 3 caps
Mfx 4 caps
Activate 4 caps
EAS Cort control 2 caps
Poseidon, bulk mono, bulk A-AKG, purple wrath, TRAC
Training was rockin and very similar to week 3 post cycle. I didn't follow a specific plan this week, which was refreshing as I am usually very regimented. All lifts were in unusual rep ranges for me so I'm not sure if strength increased or not.
Supplement wise, I believe that the relatively low dose of Restore has been effective in keeping estrogen at bay while tapering torem. The double dose Divanil is producing nice pumps. I've found that 5 caps preworkout gives a nice motivation boost and endurance for long workouts, although NOT cost-effective whatsoever. Otherwise, I'm not thrilled with the bulk mono, bulk A-AKG, poseidon, or purple wrath. I have to admit, I do still pop 2-3 paravol, but only on days when I expect action
My plan is to take next week off but continue to taper the restore. Otherwise, I'm going to pretty much drop all supplementation for 1 week to give my body and mind a thorough rest. For the next 6-7 weeks, I plan to experiment with some creatines and pump products, maybe Body Octane, NO2 (don't laugh but it's my favorite ), maybe sizeON Max OT might be on the agenda for training protocol during that time as well.
09-15-2007, 02:04 PM
09-15-2007, 03:42 PM
Edwards, you seem like a cool dude who is willing to learn. Too bad, you weren't around for this whole log because we had some awesome discussion going on with bigT, prld, neo, and ecto. Next time I do a log in a few months, I'll be sure to fill ya in.
09-15-2007, 03:52 PM
cool man. i'm gonna be doing anther one in a few months too. i think i'm gonna run hdrol again at 50/50/75/75/50 or something similar depending on liver tests. i really like it. its a good compound. i'll keep an eye out for your log.
09-17-2007, 01:22 AM
09-19-2007, 11:23 AM
Celc, I have the same thoughts about divanil as you. I forgot that you were taking Activate on top of MFX. I went from 4 MFX per day to 6, and then to 8 per day. I take 4 pre workout and spread the rest out. I also bumped up to 4 Restore, spread evenly and added a little 100mg of DHEA before bed. This has been much better than the wimpy 4 MFX, which did absolutely nothing. But I'm going to run out of it tomorrow (continue Restore for a week), which means I would need two bottles to run an effective dose for 4 full weeks. Waaaay too expensive. And even though I feel it working, the only thing I'm getting is a bit of a pump and some increased energy/aggression during workouts. Maybe a little strength boost too, but my weight has stagnated despite the same diet I was using during my little 6oxo run. All together, I liked 6oxo much better. The effects are closer to what's advertised than MFX, IMO. Any thoughts on combining something like Activate with 6oxo? Moderate dosage on both. Different compounds with the same goals and I wonder if it would create a synergistic effect, or if it just means I'd be getting an ineffective dose of both. Cost wise, if it's effective, you could probably run for a month on a bottle of each which includes your AI (so no Restore necessary). Maybe add a little DHEA for cort control if you want, but that's cheap.
Anybody else have a comment on that?
09-19-2007, 01:29 PM
Ecto, 2 bottles of 6oxo would be cheaper AND more effective than Mfx/Resotre (even at double dose IMO). 1 bottle of E-form would be cheaper AND more effective than 2 bottles of 6-oxo... I know, I know... just planting the seed again
09-19-2007, 02:03 PM
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