liposolv/ergo

[skull]

not realy sure whats going on with this stuff.been using for 2weeks 2xs a day.have not noticed much.been using on belly and love handles and after couple of days started getting strange pain in lower back and kidney area,tried using extra potasium, didnt help so been off it for 2 days and pain went away[guess I can kiss that 30$ good buy.

[Reggin]

I have noticed no negative side effects so far while on it.

Good call stopping usage if it gives you pain.

[skull]

PA is not going to like me very much.

Let this also be a warning to the forslean crowd.

"Google" Search Garners New Discovery in Polycystic Kidney Disease

(KU School of Medicine, 2006)

KANSAS CITY, Kan. – An internationally renowned researcher in the study of polycystic kidney disease (PKD) is presenting some groundbreaking findings this week at the American Society of Nephrology Meeting in
Philadelphia (Nov. 10-12th).

Jared Grantham, MD, University Distinguished Professor at the University of Kansas Medical Center (KUMC), Trey Putnam, PhD, Midwest Research Institute (MRI), and a team of collaborators have identified a bizarre substance in the massively enlarged kidneys of patients with polycystic kidney disease. The researchers have known for years that the kidneys accumulated a highly potent fatty-like substance with the capacity to stimulate growth. Enlarged polycystic kidneys eventually lead to end-stage renal disease.

Grantham and his team have been attempting to identify the fatty-like chemical in the cysts for more than 12 years. With grant support from the KUMC/MRI Collaborative Research Awards program, they finally assigned a molecular weight to the lipid and created a molecular formula, C22H3407. But they still didn’t know what it was.

So just for fun, Grantham plugged the formula into a Google search on his computer.

"Voila! Up popped a picture of a plant, Coleus forskolii," Grantham said. "We learned that the chemical in the enlarged cysts of PKD patients is forskolin – the same as the chemically-active ingredient in the roots of this herb grown in India."

Forskolin is now a popular health food supplement used to treat thyroid conditions, lower cholesterol and reduce blood pressure.

"It was a surprising discovery," Grantham added. But how did it get into these patients? They weren’t taking any of the commercial preparations containing forskolin. We’re almost certain that the cells in the cysts make the forskolin in much the same way that the chemical substance is made in the plant.


"This is a remarkable discovery for several reasons," Grantham said. "We have discovered a substance that is a potential wrecker of polycystic kidneys, contributing to the uncontrollable growth of multiple cysts within human kidneys. This new knowledge will help us better understand the process of cyst growth and hopefully lead to treatments, therapies and preventions."

"We also learned that patients with PKD should not take any supplement or product that contains forskolin because it may aggravate their condition."

"And, it took this special disease, PKD, and a Google search to discover this substance that is created in both plants and the human body, which is the case for a few other chemical substances."

"This is what we mean by 'discovery research.' It's discovering something entirely new. It's like being an explorer and discovering a whole new mountain range."

PKD is the most common of all life-threatening genetic diseases, affecting 600,000 Americans and an estimated 12.5 million people worldwide. It is more common than cystic fibrosis, muscular dystrophy, and sickle cell anemia combined. There is no known cure or treatment for PKD.
Grantham is a pioneer in the PKD research movement, which began on the KUMC campus in the late 1970s and now involves hundreds of scientists worldwide. He is the former director of the Kidney Institute and founder of the PKD Foundation, which annually provides nearly $3 million in research funding throughout the United States. In 2003, Grantham received the Lillian Jean Kaplan International Prize for Advancement in the Understanding of Polycystic Kidney Disease.


Furthermore, the unfortunate combination of ephedrine as a deep penetrant inducer and theophylline may act synergistially as poteniators for this problem (perhaps as they do with phenobarbitol).

I hope I am wrong, I've spent a little time working with nephrologists and know a bit about polycystic kidney disease.

Twas Scull's report of kidney pain that perked my ears up...

This suggests that he is either hypersensitive to this product - or that he has an as yet undiagonosed PKD condition.


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[Reggin]

Oosh.

Wow, this development is not good. Considering the fact that I am taking Liposolv and have the new Omega fatburner on its way in the mail is somewhat troubling to this.

But it appears from reading the article that it is released by enlarged cysts in the kidneys in those with PKD. So, if one did not have PKD (and thus the cysts), then there doesn't appear to be a problem. I.e. it looks to not appear dangerous to people with normally functioning kidneys, as the compounds stimulate cyst growth, and those w/o the genetic disorder wouldn't have cysts that could grow.

[skull]

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Originally Posted by scull
I applied on the belly and love handle area2x day/felt pain on upper love handle area and low back/pain seemed deep


well, if it was actually a DEEP pain, than it sounds like it were most likely related to stones (because you felt better when you moved, which is typical for stone-related pain).

However, assuming that it (the pain) started a few days after you have begun with liposolv and it ceized after you finished liposolv, the "stone"-diagnosis is not very probable.

What I could imagine is that something completely different happened: The epinephrine that is contained in liposolv could either
1.) become systemically available and led to constriction of renal vessels
2.) affected peripheral nerves that share the same spinal root as the deep nerves of kidney-fascia. You have surely heard for the "Head-Zones". So, if the epineprhine possibly "irritated" the skin-nerves within the Head-Zone related to the kidneys you might have got the impression to have "kidney" pain.

Most probably you seem to not have a kidney disease.
Nonetheless, go to your doc and let check him kidney parameters and make an ultrasound, as some guy above already suggested.

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Re: liposolv bad for kidneys
Yup, I had the same pain when I applied it to my lovehandles. Freaked me out.
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This sucks, seeing how I already ordered it. I wonder what PA would say about it ? I'm sure they tested the living **** out of this before it was released(I hope).