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    Quote Originally Posted by AZMIDLYF
    Tom, have you ever given DAA a thought? I react well to it and it might bump you up as well.
    Could help but with levels that low I don't know of anything otc that's really going to do it... Even if he gets the full 40% boost in T he's looking at 110 give or take...
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    Quote Originally Posted by AZMIDLYF View Post
    Tom, have you ever given DAA a thought? I react well to it and it might bump you up as well.
    i have been thinking about that az, good idea....but 1st in all fairness i want to see what the fromasurge/endosurge combo can do. if my next blood comes back with little improvement then i will add to it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Valdez View Post
    Could help but with levels that low I don't know of anything otc that's really going to do it... Even if he gets the full 40% boost in T he's looking at 110 give or take...
    valid point..plus the fact that i am commited to see what forma/endo can do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thebigt

    i have been thinking about that az, good idea....but 1st in all fairness i want to see what the fromasurge/endosurge combo can do. if my next blood comes back with little improvement then i will add to it.
    I'm sure they've done the whole work up hormone wise... Have you had an MRI to check your pituitary? How old are you if you don't mind me asking.

    Hope we see some results brother. I couldn't even imagine the shut down you've been feeling.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Valdez View Post
    I'm sure they've done the whole work up hormone wise... Have you had an MRI to check your pituitary? How old are you if you don't mind me asking.

    Hope we see some results brother. I couldn't even imagine the shut down you've been feeling.
    never had a mri...was diagnosed as primary....the main thing is no desire-the plumbing works just not in the mood, this is huge for me. plus no energy or motivation, been relying on stims even more than usual.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thebigt

    never had a mri...was diagnosed as primary....the main thing is no desire-the plumbing works just not in the mood, this is huge for me. plus no energy or motivation, been relying on stims even more than usual.
    Well yea dude that makes sense that you don't have the desire... Your T levels are EXTREMELY low. If I were you I would get a referral to see an endocrinologist. That way you can look into why your levels are so low. Find the cause instead of relying on the injections.

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    Excellent advice, Valdez. I like you already.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Valdez View Post
    Well yea dude that makes sense that you don't have the desire... Your T levels are EXTREMELY low. If I were you I would get a referral to see an endocrinologist. That way you can look into why your levels are so low. Find the cause instead of relying on the injections.

    Sorry to derail : ) i'm excited to see what these products do for you in your specific circumstance. It def puts them to the test!
    i am sure an endo is in my future....like you i am definately looking to see what these products can do in my situation, even if i can get to 200-250 range it would be a huge help!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by thebigt

    i am sure an endo is in my future....like you i am definately looking to see what these products can do in my situation, even if i can get to 200-250 range it would be a huge help!!!
    No dude, not "I am sure" lol... You gotta get in there. Testosterone is CRUCIAL for Mens health. 200-250 is still too low...

    When I go below 700 I feel like sht. I have no idea how you're adjusting lol! You getting enough sleep? Any environmental factors that you know of? Diets on point? If so, something is internally wrong and you gotta get it fixed.

    I'll get off my soap box now ; )

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    Quote Originally Posted by Valdez View Post
    No dude, not "I am sure" lol... You gotta get in there. Testosterone is CRUCIAL for Mens health. 200-250 is still too low...

    When I go below 700 I feel like sht. I have no idea how you're adjusting lol! You getting enough sleep? Any environmental factors that you know of? Diets on point? If so, something is internally wrong and you gotta get it fixed.

    I'll get off my soap box now ; )

    Also, if this stack gets you up to 250, you'll find me purchasing a cycle shortly thereafter. : ) soooooooo show me some results, for BPS!!
    a few years back my doc referred my to an endo...but it was during the busy time of year at my work and the test cyp was working so well that i didn't take time off to make appointments...


    i will keep this log going, and will be posting results!!!

    time to get some sleep before work.


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    Quote Originally Posted by thebigt

    a few years back my doc referred my to an endo...but it was during the busy time of year at my work and the test cyp was working so well that i didn't take time off to make appointments...

    i will keep this log going, and will be posting results!!!

    time to get some sleep before work.

    BTW-THANKS FOR YOUR INPUT, SEEMS LIKE YOU HAVE A LOT OF KNOWLEDGE!!!
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    Tom did you liver values spike all the sudden or was this a gradual incline that made him think it may be the test?
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrKleen73 View Post
    Tom did you liver values spike all the sudden or was this a gradual incline that made him think it may be the test?
    i knew i answere that already but when i looked for that post i couldn't find it...no wonder it is in the bps company section 'big thanks to bulk perf'.


    but for you kleen i will answer again, lol....years of alcoholic drinking have damaged my liver..even though i have been sober for over 14 years i am still paying for it!!! my liver values were a concern when my doc put me on trt, but my test was so low i convinced him to go ahead and try it...i have the feeling that if my test was close to 300 he never would have taken the chance.
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    went with 4 pumps of formasurge, could feel a decent formestane rush...seemed to give me a boost. i am hoping that endosurge kicks in soon and i start getting those fantastic dreams!!!


    off to work, update tomorrow!!!
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    Have you looked into Antaeus Labs AEGIS? It is a liver product that is supposed to be the best of the best in new liver supplementation. Sorry for the rewrite. I know how fun it is to have to do that. So far I have only heard great things about Antaeus Labs might be worth a shot.

    Wow look at that paragraph structure. ADHD at it's best...
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    Hey Tom, how long has it been since your last test C injection? I know low levels suck. I'm in PCT now after running test, and I miss it so bad right now it isn't funny. Motivation, energy, and libido become more of an issue each day. FormaSurge is helping though!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrKleen73 View Post
    Have you looked into Antaeus Labs AEGIS? It is a liver product that is supposed to be the best of the best in new liver supplementation. Sorry for the rewrite. I know how fun it is to have to do that. So far I have only heard great things about Antaeus Labs might be worth a shot.

    Wow look at that paragraph structure. ADHD at it's best...
    going to google it and take a look, thanks chris!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by RickRock13 View Post
    Hey Tom, how long has it been since your last test C injection? I know low levels suck. I'm in PCT now after running test, and I miss it so bad right now it isn't funny. Motivation, energy, and libido become more of an issue each day. FormaSurge is helping though!!
    i can't remember exactly, but i know it's been over a month....motivation/energy/libido really hit an all time low just before starting this stack...i went with 4 pumps formasurge before work last night and i did get a nice boost from it.
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    like i told rick i used 4 pumps forma last night and did feel like i got a decent boost from it...i've been using a fatburner and been dropping weight even though my diet has been well above maintenance, but the weight loss had kinda leveled off, this morning i weighed in and found myself down 3 lbs since i started the forma. my estrogen must have been really high??? it wasn't included on the panel of my last bloods, i forgot to ask!!


    i slept like a rock today after work, still no dreams yet but the deep sleep was very nice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by testosteronet View Post
    Bigt, of all people, you can answer this question...I didn't like Cel's form because of the strong limonene smell...is this anything near that smell?
    the limonene smell is still there, but it's not as strong as cel's, imo....it smells a little like suntan lotion to me. if you are familiar with the old e-form, formasurge really reminds me of it-this is a good thing, at least to me!!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by testosteronet View Post
    Not familiar with e-form, a little before I became a formaholic, however, have tried every other kind that came out since including a few homebrews...but thanks for the answer...what color is it?
    when i got it it was clear with white flakes in it, but i set it in a pan of hot water and now it is clear....it's potent stuff!!! from 1 formaholic to another, at the price it is selling for at nutra i would snatch some up while it's still available!!! that's about as low a price as you are gonna find for a quality formestane product, imo.
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    not much change in libido...but my sleep has definately improved. i got home from work this morning at 7:30am, took a shower, ate, took 2 endosurge and went to bed. slept for 4 hours, got up to pee and took 2 more endosurge then went back to bed...just got up a little while ago. my wife said she kept checking on me because i never sleep that much!!! still no dreams, but the deep sleep was very refreshing!!!! evergy level seems higher, hopefully i will feel like hitting the gym in the morning.
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    Alot to be said for some restful sleep T. Hopefully this will only be a temporary issue and the cause will be determined. Take all the necessary steps to find the problem.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thebigt
    not much change in libido...but my sleep has definately improved. i got home from work this morning at 7:30am, took a shower, ate, took 2 endosurge and went to bed. slept for 4 hours, got up to pee and took 2 more endosurge then went back to bed...just got up a little while ago. my wife said she kept checking on me because i never sleep that much!!! still no dreams, but the deep sleep was very refreshing!!!! evergy level seems higher, hopefully i will feel like hitting the gym in the morning.
    This is going to sound crazy but do liquid cut offs. Get all the liquids you need in until about 7 or 8 depending on when you go to bed... If I remember correctly you go to bed early evening? Start by trying to cut it like 3 hours ahead, if that doesn't work go for 4.

    I know you're probably thinking I sound like a dip **** but you're looking at a full 6 hours sleeping through the night vs the interruption, which can throw your sleeping cycle off quite a bit. Like AZ said stereo is crucial for T production.

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    He works graveyard shifts so he sleeps in the morning. Graveyard shifts are tough on the body to begin with. Totally out of sync with natural rythms.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AZMIDLYF
    He works graveyard shifts so he sleeps in the morning. Graveyard shifts are tough on the body to begin with. Totally out of sync with natural rythms.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Valdez View Post
    This is going to sound crazy but do liquid cut offs. Get all the liquids you need in until about 7 or 8 depending on when you go to bed... If I remember correctly you go to bed early evening? Start by trying to cut it like 3 hours ahead, if that doesn't work go for 4.

    I know you're probably thinking I sound like a dip **** but you're looking at a full 6 hours sleeping through the night vs the interruption, which can throw your sleeping cycle off quite a bit. Like AZ said stereo is crucial for T production.

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    lol....sorry bout the caps..

    i get off work at 7am, i try to get gym time in then and then bed....hard to restrict my water intake. today i just came home after work and got a few hours sleep in, i will go back to bed around 3 or 4 and try and sleep until time to get up for work...
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    some improvement in libido...not nearly what it was on the test cyp, but clearly headed in right direction.

    started to get achy joints so going to cut back to 2 pumps twice a day on the formasurge. i think i am starting to see some results from the formasurge/endosurge, it's just not happening as fast as i would normally expect-which is to be expected, lol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thebigt

    lol....sorry bout the caps..

    i get off work at 7am, i try to get gym time in then and then bed....hard to restrict my water intake. today i just came home after work and got a few hours sleep in, i will go back to bed around 3 or 4 and try and sleep until time to get up for work...
    It's all good. I know how you feel dude, which is unfortunate. Shift work and graveyard is hell on the body but someone has to do it, right?

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    I work in a hot ass factory and I had to work swing shift for the first 3 years. It definitely sucks ass, and is tough on your sleep patterns.

    Glad to see you are getting better sleep. When I ran Endosurge, one of its best things was the deep sleep from it
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    I definitely love the sleep, and I got a pretty alpha male feel from it. I plan on a EndoSurge and FormaSurge stack at some point in the next month or so.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thebigt View Post
    some improvement in libido...not nearly what it was on the test cyp, but clearly headed in right direction.

    started to get achy joints so going to cut back to 2 pumps twice a day on the formasurge. i think i am starting to see some results from the formasurge/endosurge, it's just not happening as fast as i would normally expect-which is to be expected, lol.
    So you are coming down to normal human being level?? Lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrKleen73 View Post
    I definitely love the sleep, and I got a pretty alpha male feel from it. I plan on a EndoSurge and FormaSurge stack at some point in the next month or so.
    i can only imagine what this stack would do if my test were still in the 700-800 range...even with my test tanked results are slowly starting to happen!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by AZMIDLYF View Post
    So you are coming down to normal human being level?? Lol
    It is awesome that these supps are out there for us to take advantage of.
    indeed...the results are coming just not as fast as they would if my test were higher...then again it took a few weeks of being on test cyp before i really felt effects kick in. i have to remind myself that it hasn't even been a full week yet on this stack, i think the best is yet to come!!!
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