Dewey99's SNS X-GELS and everything else log
- 07-22-2012, 10:48 PM
Dewey99's SNS X-GELS and everything else log
This is going to be a little different than the traditional log. The log will center around SNS X-Gels but that will only be part of a large stack of supplements I will be taking. My main purpose for running this log is to document the effects/sides I get from running the X-Gels as well as a place for other users to discuss their experiences with X-Gels and offer each other feedback and advice. I will give an overiew of my workouts, but won't get into excruciating detail. This log is UNSPONSORED.
Let's start with the elephant in the room. SNS marketed X-Gels as a similar option to Molecular Nutrition's X-Factor Original, which is a 250mg ArA per cap supplement. It turns out this wasn't the case and it was discovered that X-Gels only contain 100mg ArA per gel cap. For those of us that planned on dosing ArA at 2g per day, that took us from taking 8 caps to taking 20. Since X-Gels also contain 5mg of zinc in each cap, then taking the full 2g dose of ArA means also taking 100mg of zinc in one shot. Those of us that got in on the X-Gels early ended up getting the short end of the stick. SNS did offer an extra bottle for each bottle we bought, but that still only gives us 80% of the ArA we were promised along with the troublesome dosing issues. Now to safely take enough X-Gels to get 2g of ArA, we have to also take a calcium supplement in conjunction with the X-gels to avoid some of the issues from the high doses of zinc. I'd like to say that I think SNS badly mishandled this issue but at least some of the reps have tried to make the situation better. Enough about that.
Here's a little background on me:
Weight: 236 lbs.
BF%: Estimated 23-25
Training: Lift 4x per week, but going to try going to 5x per week during ArA cycle. Cardio (LISS and HIIT) 3x per week.
Diet: Shoot for 2100-2200 Cals daily - 225g protein, 150 carbs, 70g fat
Goals: Looking to continue recomping as I have come down from 293lbs. in early February to 236lbs. now. Also only been back in the gym for 5 months after a couple years off recovering from 3 knee surgeries.
Planned supplement stack:
1g Calcium (2 Tums)
3 scoops GlycerGrow
Hemavol, Clout, or Ultima (on a stim break)
Added Primaforce Agmatine powder - total of 1g including pwo
Citrulline - total of 5g including pwo
TTA-500 - 1 pill
Other times of day:
Cissus - either 5% bulk powder or Cissus XT caps
Fish Oil - 3-4g per day
BCAA supps as desired (Xtend)
- 07-22-2012, 11:17 PM
I am starting this log on Sunday, July 22nd but actually started this stack on Wednesday, July 18th. To save us all some time, I will try to give you the cliffs of my experience thus far.
I took everything in my stack (Ultima as the base for my pwo) but wussed out at the last minute and only took 10 X-Gels since I was a little nervous about all that zinc. Can't say ArA produced any noticeable results as I did a Chest/tri's workout after work. I had great pumps, but that has been the case anyway using Agmatine and GlycerGrow together. No noticeable changes in strength, endurance or energy. I did have some stomach pains and bad diarrhea later that night and into the next morning. None of the DOMS that I heard everybody talking about. No more soreness than usual.
Took everything in the stack (Clout as the base for my pwo - 1 and 1/3 scoops also gave me my ALCAR for the day) along with 15 X-Gels. I decided to step up my X-Gel dosage because I didn't really feel anything extra during my first workout. I was hesitant because of the sides but really wanted to give the higher ArA dose a shot. This was a back/bi's workout. Everything felt pretty much the same as usual although I really forced myself to push through some pain and get some good negatives in. Pumps were good but not noticeably better than they would be with Agmatine and GlycerGrow. Sides were the same with stomach issues again for about 8 hours after my workout. DOMS did set in the day after this workout and are still pretty bad two days later.
Took everything in the stack again (Same amount of Clout as my pwo base) plus 20 X-Gels. I planned on dosing at 2g ArA all along and now this means 20 pills. It's a little bit of work counting all those pills out and then taking them. This was leg day. Went through a pretty normal leg workout and did some abs at the end before leaving the gym. No noted in-gym effects from the increased X-Gel dosage. Pumps did seem to last longer into the day this time with my calves feeling really tight almost all day. No real leg DOMS (nothing out of the ordinary at least) 36 hours after my leg workout. My glutes are feeling a tad sensitive, so we'll see if that area gets really sore tomorrow. Some stomach discomfort again and more toilet issues, but not as severe.
Took everything in the stack but used Hemavol as my pwo base this time along with 20 X-Gels. Also added 2 scoops of Xtend intra-workout today. Back to chest/tri's again. Very light shoulder work, but I have a torn labrum in my left shoulder that needs surgery soon so I can't do much overhead work. Workout was good, but I can't say I really feel anything special with the ArA. I'm not saying I am having bad workouts by any means. I'm just pointing out that I don't really feel a big difference from the X-Gels. Sides are there again, but seem to be lessening. Too early to tell about any DOMS from this workout. Tomorrow will give us a better idea.
Sorry to go on for so long, but I wanted to get you caught up. We should be good now. My plan for the week is to work out again Tuesday, Wednesday, Friday, Saturday and Sunday. I will keep updating here and would love to her feedback from other users and reps. That means you Mr. Cooper! I hope this stack starts to produce some results for me. So far the back/biceps DOMS is my only real glimmer of hope.
- 07-22-2012, 11:21 PM
07-23-2012, 01:09 AM
I'm in. Don't worry about not noticing too much the first few workouts. Unlike your typical preworkout ingredient (i.e. agmatine/citrulline malate/nitrates), ArA is, after all, a fatty acid that needs to build up in skeletal muscle tissue. As your workouts progress, I suspect you will notice a leaning out effect, as well as improved fullness and hypertrophy. This usually manifests after the 3rd week on ArA.
I really like the idea of Clout + ArA btw
The above is my own opinion and does not reflect the opinion of PES
07-23-2012, 01:14 AM
I noticed a MAJOR difference adding x-gels in compared to agmatine and gms. Agmatine honestly doesn't do much for me.. and glycerol seems like a soft pump if that makes any sense. The pump with x-gels makes me feel solid like a brick **** house!
07-23-2012, 01:19 AM
Hey Dewey, I've taken anywhere between 1-2g of x-gels and don't feel too much difference. I'm thinking about keeping it at 1g and dosing it daily.. what do you think?
07-23-2012, 10:11 AM
I should also add in here that per Coop's advice I am not getting any supplemental zinc at all, even on days I don't take X-Gels. This should prevent any real issues from the extra zinc.
07-23-2012, 10:14 AM
07-23-2012, 05:53 PM
I forgot to add that thus far I am not experiencing any join discomfort whatsoever. This is big for me because I have had 3 knee surgeries in the last 3 years and am susceptible to joint pain. I am taking the Cissus but stopped taking OT and fish oil during this run.
07-24-2012, 12:49 AM
07-24-2012, 10:40 AM
07-24-2012, 04:06 PM
07-24-2012, 04:16 PM
07-24-2012, 05:20 PM
07-24-2012, 05:37 PM
I figure.. ArA provides an acute anabolic response.. so if you overload with as much intensity as possible, you should cause enough hypertrophy to really get the best out of x-gels, regardless of agmatine and glycergrow.
07-24-2012, 06:50 PM
07-25-2012, 04:08 PM
Tuesday was my 5th workout using X-Gels. As I mentioned above, I forgot some of my supps at home and had to go with a much lighter stack last night. I took 20 X-Gels along with 1200mg of Calcium and 1 TTA-500 pill. I did not have my Agmatine, ALCAR, or GlycerGrow with me. I ended up mixing one scoop of NeuroCore and one scoop of Ultima as my preworkout.
I hit back/bi's again and had a good workout. No issues with endurance or strength, but a little less pumped than normal (lack of Agmatine and GMS). Still ended up with stomach discomfort late in my workout and for most of the night. I am hoping that will pass as my body gets acclimated to the X-Gels. The only other thing worth noting is how hungry I was last night after my workout. My diet was right in line with normal all day, but I was starving last night. I ended up having a shake and two homemade bean burritos after my workout. I don't know if ArA supplementation could have this effect or if was just a fluke.
I will be back in the gym tonight hitting legs. This time I have my normal stack with me.
07-25-2012, 05:30 PM
Dude I've been kind of experiencing the same thing. Once the x-gels kicked in hard, my appetite has kicked up considerably... and I seem to be requiring more carbohydrates.
07-25-2012, 05:37 PM
07-25-2012, 06:06 PM
Yeah definitely. But since there would be an increase in anabolism, it only makes sense there would be an increase in appetite to keep up.
07-25-2012, 08:01 PM
Many do notice an increase in CHO utilization when on ArA. I know MN (I think SNS recommends it too just not positive) tend to suggest upping calories even more than usual on a bulk.
Based on my own experiences I tend to see a good "recomp" if I don't add additional calories to my typical surplus.
07-25-2012, 10:24 PM
Not really sure that ArA would increase appetite, though it does increase nutrient demands of the muscle which may play a role here. Shouldn't be anything crazy though.
The above is my own opinion and does not reflect the opinion of PES
07-25-2012, 10:27 PM
07-26-2012, 05:35 PM
Back to my full stack with 20 X-Gels, 2g bulk ALCAR, 1g bulk Agmatine, 1 TTA-500 and 3 scoops of GlycerGrow. I also had one scoop of Ultima mixed with one scoop of Xtend (mostly to mask Ultima's terrible flavor) pwo.
I hit legs for last night's workout. I was a bit tired from not sleeping much Tuesday night and I felt it on my heavy lifts. I did front squats, hack squats, leg presses, leg extensions, hamstring curls, and seated calf-raises. I also got in some ab work at the end of my workout. I was in the gym for about 75 minutes and besides feeling tired, it went pretty well. Good pumps and seemed to recover quickly between sets.
Today will be an off day followed by days of lifting in a row on Friday, Saturday and Sunday. I'm expecting big things over the weekend as the ArA continues to build up in my system.
07-26-2012, 09:46 PM
07-26-2012, 10:10 PM
07-26-2012, 10:13 PM
I was actually sweating like a dog last night. Didn't even think it might have something to do with the supps. Have you had sweating issues?Originally Posted by Evan666
07-26-2012, 11:08 PM
Yeah man! The body heat/sweating is INSANE.Originally Posted by Dewey99
Have noticed any change in muscle hardness/pump during the workout or throughout the day?
07-26-2012, 11:53 PM
I feel like I am noticing better muscle hardness and definition, but that could just be what I am hoping to see. I think that by the end of next weekend I will know for sure. I took some pics before I started so I will know for sure.Originally Posted by Evan666
You noticing anything?
07-27-2012, 10:28 AM
My girlfriend was gone for my first 10 days taking it, I'm doing 10 gels 1g agmatine 2g LCLT 6g GMS 4g creatine all pre. And she said that with the 10 days she has been gone my muscles are feeling really firm and hard. Felt pretty good for only 10 days in
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