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  1. Quote Originally Posted by Patrick Arnold View Post
    Just do it. Stop throwing around 50 cent words like synergism. They wont make you grow any more than you are gonna
    lol ok, was just trying to answer the man's question, although it was clearly over my head to do so. I'll give it a shot next time I deload. Now I wonder if this works on any other "appendages"...


  2. Quote Originally Posted by muad33b View Post
    lol ok, was just trying to answer the man's question, although it was clearly over my head to do so. I'll give it a shot next time I deload. Now I wonder if this works on any other "appendages"...
    Tried it on my triceps this evening. At the end of my workout. I was stunned how fatigued I got using half the weight. Pat do you think you could accelerate growth using occlusion for say the last 10 minutes per body part instead of the whole workout. I am trying to find some quick less obtrusive way to tourniquet. Especially for tris, Its a lock I am going to do it for calves, ...I'll try anything for that
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by truthornothin View Post
    Tried it on my triceps this evening. At the end of my workout. I was stunned how fatigued I got using half the weight. Pat do you think you could accelerate growth using occlusion for say the last 10 minutes per body part instead of the whole workout. I am trying to find some quick less obtrusive way to tourniquet. Especially for tris, Its a lock I am going to do it for calves, ...I'll try anything for that
    Quick update, still using UR-Spray x 50 x 2 After a month of rampant eating I have returned to just a sensible diet, not calorie deficient and low carb not no carb. Intake of carbs around 100 grams a day and am leaning out nicely. Results of rampant eating? thicker bi's and set pr's all over the place with a minimal of fat accumulation. My strength increases coupled with my ego got the better of me in the joint department. After months of pain free elbows I was doing multiple sets of pushdowns with the stack + 60 and managed to again wreck my elbows well that and the nagging injury from lifting the loaded U-Haul trailer off the the trailer ball. My back and quads are much improved and I am stronger and just feel better overall
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  4. Quote Originally Posted by truthornothin View Post
    Tried it on my triceps this evening. At the end of my workout. I was stunned how fatigued I got using half the weight. Pat do you think you could accelerate growth using occlusion for say the last 10 minutes per body part instead of the whole workout. t
    I have no idea

    Personally i think this kind of training should be reserved for the times u need to give your joints a rest, which means you do it exclusively when you do it and not in combo with regular heavy weight training
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  5. Quote Originally Posted by Patrick Arnold View Post
    I have no idea

    Personally i think this kind of training should be reserved for the times u need to give your joints a rest, which means you do it exclusively when you do it and not in combo with regular heavy weight training
    Gotcha', that being said what do you use as a tourniquet, I used knee wraps but they are bulky wish other than a plood pressure cuff there was an quick way to occlude blood flow, ..a pair of trainied boa constrictors maybe..
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  6. Quote Originally Posted by truthornothin View Post
    Gotcha', that being said what do you use as a tourniquet, I used knee wraps but they are bulky wish other than a plood pressure cuff there was an quick way to occlude blood flow, ..a pair of trainied boa constrictors maybe..

    knee wraps or those rubber hoses used for tourniquets.
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  7. Quote Originally Posted by Patrick Arnold View Post
    knee wraps or those rubber hoses used for tourniquets.
    Ahhh surgical tubing....but won't that make me look like a junkie lol
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  8. I just use a nylon lanyard and tie a slip knot in it. When preforming dumbbell concentration curls you can hold on to the loss end with your opposite hand, and adjust tension while performing the exercise. Google slipknot if you don't know how to tie one.

  9. Quote Originally Posted by monkey101 View Post
    I just use a nylon lanyard and tie a slip knot in it. When preforming dumbbell concentration curls you can hold on to the loss end with your opposite hand, and adjust tension while performing the exercise. Google slipknot if you don't know how to tie one.
    I'm an ex depressive I'll just tie a noose, I used my knee wraps for calf training today. Good God! I was not prepared for the massive burn. I used about 60% of my regular workout weight, by the eighth rep my calves were on fire by 12 I could no longer stand the burn. I had to loosen the wraps(think I had them a tad tight anyway. I did 5 sets of twelves and my calves were totally fried and sore. WIll definitely be doing this for calves('cuz nothing else has ever made them grow) and tris to protect my elbows, gonna give it six weeks and see how it goes. I am opting for the surgical tubing the lanyard sounds like it may cut into the skin a tad.
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  10. Quote Originally Posted by truthornothin View Post
    I'm an ex depressive I'll just tie a noose, I used my knee wraps for calf training today. Good God! I was not prepared for the massive burn. I used about 60% of my regular workout weight, by the eighth rep my calves were on fire by 12 I could no longer stand the burn. I had to loosen the wraps(think I had them a tad tight anyway. I did 5 sets of twelves and my calves were totally fried and sore. WIll definitely be doing this for calves('cuz nothing else has ever made them grow) and tris to protect my elbows, gonna give it six weeks and see how it goes. I am opting for the surgical tubing the lanyard sounds like it may cut into the skin a tad.

    u should be doing sets of 20-25 really. dont be afraid to go light with occlusion training. u kinda defeat the purpose if you go to heavy

    and for you david i recommend panty hose or a garter belt rather than knee wraps. It will help put you in the mood for using light weights
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  11. Quote Originally Posted by Patrick Arnold View Post
    u should be doing sets of 20-25 really. dont be afraid to go light with occlusion training. u kinda defeat the purpose if you go to heavy

    and for you david i recommend panty hose or a garter belt rather than knee wraps. It will help put you in the mood for using light weights
    Maybe you could send me yours?
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  12. Quote Originally Posted by Patrick Arnold View Post
    u should be doing sets of 20-25 really. dont be afraid to go light with occlusion training. u kinda defeat the purpose if you go to heavy

    and for you david i recommend panty hose or a garter belt rather than knee wraps. It will help put you in the mood for using light weights
    I went a hundred pounds under my norm I'll do the 20% of a 1 rep max as they suggested, that just seemed too light.

    Garter belt eh? You gonna' send me one of yours? :P
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  13. Occlusion training update:

    I took Patrick's advice and used a black lacey garter to occlude my triceps else I'd have gone way too heavy, I went light and felt pretty all at the same time......KIDDIN'! All kidding aside I bought some surgical tubing, it works great but there were some chuckles..I don't give a Flying F**k as long as it works. Patrick is right in that it is hard to get my head wrapped around using the light weight required. He has never steered me wrong before so I took his advice(garters and panty hose not withstanding) First set of pushdowns at 55lbs got 25, thought better up the weight, at 75 pounds could only complete 15 reps, dropped back to 55 and got 20 x1 and 15x 1. Tris were pumped and sore, on fire actually. I think this may actually work my elbows desperately need the rest.

    On my calves I have been using knee wraps and light weight. The pain is excruciating its the worst lactic acid burn ever. After my third set I am ripping the wraps off. If this can make my pitiful calves turn into cows I may right a book and become an occlusion training guru/advocate

  14. Quote Originally Posted by truthornothin View Post
    Occlusion training update:

    I took Patrick's advice and used a black lacey garter to occlude my triceps else I'd have gone way too heavy, I went light and felt pretty all at the same time......KIDDIN'! All kidding aside I bought some surgical tubing, it works great but there were some chuckles..I don't give a Flying F**k as long as it works. Patrick is right in that it is hard to get my head wrapped around using the light weight required. He has never steered me wrong before so I took his advice(garters and panty hose not withstanding) First set of pushdowns at 55lbs got 25, thought better up the weight, at 75 pounds could only complete 15 reps, dropped back to 55 and got 20 x1 and 15x 1. Tris were pumped and sore, on fire actually. I think this may actually work my elbows desperately need the rest.

    On my calves I have been using knee wraps and light weight. The pain is excruciating its the worst lactic acid burn ever. After my third set I am ripping the wraps off. If this can make my pitiful calves turn into cows I may right a book and become an occlusion training guru/advocate
    I'm going to give this a try this week, as my left elbow tendonitis has flared up. JointForce helped me get it back under control, but that's a big sign that I should de-load this week. Where did you get the surgical tubing? I'm thinking I'll just buy some cheap exercise bands at Walmart or something. Did you try any chest/back moves with your arms occluded, or was it all arm and calf work? Also, did you read that article that suggested one could do a chest or back exercise, and then do a set of occluded squats and get the benefit of occlusion in the chest/back muscles? (google for abcocclusionpaper.pdf and it's the first hit)

  15. Quote Originally Posted by muad33b View Post
    I'm going to give this a try this week, as my left elbow tendonitis has flared up. JointForce helped me get it back under control, but that's a big sign that I should de-load this week. Where did you get the surgical tubing? I'm thinking I'll just buy some cheap exercise bands at Walmart or something. Did you try any chest/back moves with your arms occluded, or was it all arm and calf work? Also, did you read that article that suggested one could do a chest or back exercise, and then do a set of occluded squats and get the benefit of occlusion in the chest/back muscles? (google for abcocclusionpaper.pdf and it's the first hit)
    Ixnay on the surgical tubing it is hard to control, especially the exercise bands they have a slick coating and won't stay tight. I got the surgical tubing at Lowe's believe it or not, Home depot carries it too. I found a site that suggested this item in particular. The McDavid Jumpers Knee strap 414R. Its pricey at $14 per, but perfect for the task. I got it at Sports Authority. If I were looking for a cheaper yet good alternative I'd just use Ace Bandages.

    I did read the article you are speaking of, but then read another article that suggested occluded squats are not a good idea because of balance issues into the sets,as I work out sans spotter that may not work for me. I do understand that the hormonal cascade would be mighty and would benefit the entire body and may try it with leg extensions or leg presses instead.
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  16. Quote Originally Posted by muad33b View Post
    I'm going to give this a try this week, as my left elbow tendonitis has flared up. JointForce helped me get it back under control, but that's a big sign that I should de-load this week. Where did you get the surgical tubing? I'm thinking I'll just buy some cheap exercise bands at Walmart or something. Did you try any chest/back moves with your arms occluded, or was it all arm and calf work? Also, did you read that article that suggested one could do a chest or back exercise, and then do a set of occluded squats and get the benefit of occlusion in the chest/back muscles? (google for abcocclusionpaper.pdf and it's the first hit)

    exercise bands work. its hard to tie these things on yourself though
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  17. Quote Originally Posted by truthornothin View Post
    Ixnay on the surgical tubing it is hard to control, especially the exercise bands they have a slick coating and won't stay tight. I got the surgical tubing at Lowe's believe it or not, Home depot carries it too. I found a site that suggested this item in particular. The McDavid Jumpers Knee strap 414R. Its pricey at $14 per, but perfect for the task. I got it at Sports Authority. If I were looking for a cheaper yet good alternative I'd just use Ace Bandages. .
    that band uses velcro right? u sure that will hold good enough?
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  18. Did some occlusion training tonight, just arms, 3 rounds of supersets with ace bandages (took one long bandage and tore it into 4 pieces; had a friend with me) since the two places I went didn't have surgical tubing. I ended up doing just the following:

    My goal was to ensure that we did 4 sets in < 10 minutes, which wasn't a problem.

    1) bands on, bodyweight dips, db curls, dips, curls, bands off.
    2) bands on, single arm reverse grip cable pressdown with internal twist at the end, db curls, pressdowns, curls, bands off.
    3) bands on, pressdowns, curls, pressdowns, curls, bands off.

    By the end of round 2 we were both looking seriously swole... by the end of round 3, we both agreed it was the biggest pump we'd ever achieved, and decided we were good for the night. It wasn't as painfull as I thought it would be (expected 8 out of 10 more like a 6), and it was way more effective then I thought it would be... my buddy ended up saying that he never wanted to do arms again without occlusion.

    Thanks for the tip Patrick, was nice to use light weights and get a great arm workout during my deload/off time... gonna continue to play with this, and UR Spray pre-workout.

  19. Quote Originally Posted by muad33b View Post
    Did some occlusion training tonight, just arms, 3 rounds of supersets with ace bandages (took one long bandage and tore it into 4 pieces; had a friend with me) since the two places I went didn't have surgical tubing. I ended up doing just the following:

    My goal was to ensure that we did 4 sets in < 10 minutes, which wasn't a problem.

    1) bands on, bodyweight dips, db curls, dips, curls, bands off.
    2) bands on, single arm reverse grip cable pressdown with internal twist at the end, db curls, pressdowns, curls, bands off.
    3) bands on, pressdowns, curls, pressdowns, curls, bands off.

    By the end of round 2 we were both looking seriously swole... by the end of round 3, we both agreed it was the biggest pump we'd ever achieved, and decided we were good for the night. It wasn't as painfull as I thought it would be (expected 8 out of 10 more like a 6), and it was way more effective then I thought it would be... my buddy ended up saying that he never wanted to do arms again without occlusion.

    Thanks for the tip Patrick, was nice to use light weights and get a great arm workout during my deload/off time... gonna continue to play with this, and UR Spray pre-workout.
    I did tri's occluded yesterday, it hurts, a lot, and I had a good pump with the bands on, when I took the bands off, I could feel the skin tightening and literally stretching. I think when my elbows heal up I am going to go heavy for 4weeks at a stretch then occlude for two. I'll see how that works out.
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  20. Bump for updates?

  21. Quote Originally Posted by jaydollars View Post
    Bump for updates?
    Everything going well, cutting for an upcoming event and today is carb up day see below

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    UR- Spray is still a staple, have been low carbing it and the Captain Crunch was a welcome change
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  22. Old blood pressure cuffs? Like PA said, I can't imagine being able to take off the tubing or bands and then tying it back on quick enough in time for the next set. It definitely seems to be an issue when occlusion training is brought up. I'm sure you can find old BP cuffs somewhere fairly cheap? As long as they hold the pressure...

    Or unless you still are able to tie off and on from your heroin days...

  23. Quote Originally Posted by RD929 View Post
    Old blood pressure cuffs? Like PA said, I can't imagine being able to take off the tubing or bands and then tying it back on quick enough in time for the next set. It definitely seems to be an issue when occlusion training is brought up. I'm sure you can find old BP cuffs somewhere fairly cheap? As long as they hold the pressure...

    Or unless you still are able to tie off and on from your heroin days...
    I have solved the problem, the leg bands hold their setting but are too hard to pull up my arm when set properly. I tied the surgical tubing into permanent loops and its stretchy enough to go up my arm but hold like a mf'er during my sets. You do not take them on and off. You leave them on throughout the routine for the particular body part. I am having great success on my calves and tris, calves are growing when they never would before, and triceps maintaining while I give my elbows a break.
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  24. Quote Originally Posted by RD929 View Post
    Old blood pressure cuffs? Like PA said, I can't imagine being able to take off the tubing or bands and then tying it back on quick enough in time for the next set. It definitely seems to be an issue when occlusion training is brought up. I'm sure you can find old BP cuffs somewhere fairly cheap? As long as they hold the pressure...

    Or unless you still are able to tie off and on from your heroin days...

    u do not remove the tubing between sets
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  25. Quote Originally Posted by Patrick Arnold View Post
    u do not remove the tubing between sets
    Yea, that's kinda what I did... I did 3 super-sets (6 total sets) before taking a short break and then repeated that round 2 more times, for a total of 18 sets occluded with two breaks for about 3-5 minutes in the middle.... from what I was reading it was advisable to leave them on for no more than 10 minutes to avoid the risk of necrosis or embolism, which is why I did this in 3 rounds; to be sure I didn't push that envelope. Works like a charm; best pump I've ever had.

  26. Quote Originally Posted by Patrick Arnold View Post
    u do not remove the tubing between sets
    no, I leave them on for the duration of that body part's workout. I followed a training regimen I found online and like Jeff said, 10 mins, I complete my tricep routine in about that much time. I do 4 sets of seated dips on the hoist dip machine and 4 set of pushdowns. Jeff is right the pumps are freaking ridiculous. My calves I do the same way but I use wraps.

    I have also started to include(against Patrick's advice, sorry Patrick) 4 sets of occlusion curls at the end of my bicep workout. I cannot touch my face after the pump is so intense. I do it every other work out.

    Calves are improved as they wouldn't grow at all, triceps are growing again though I've really f'ed my elbows, I have a fluid filled pouch on the right one after last Sunday. Thinking of aspirating it myself...nah, better not.

    Anyway a big thanks to Patrick for recommending it. It does seem to work, though I get weird stares when I pull up the surgical tubing, next time I may tap my vein a little just for laughs lol
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  27. Quote Originally Posted by truthornothin
    Everything going well, cutting for an upcoming event and today is carb up day see below

    <img src="http://anabolicminds.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=65 945"/>

    UR- Spray is still a staple, have been low carbing it and the Captain Crunch was a welcome change
    Epic lol just pour that whole box in there until it cuts the roof of your mouth haha
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  28. Quote Originally Posted by howwedo107 View Post
    Epic lol just pour that whole box in there until it cuts the roof of your mouth haha
    Luv the Capn' Crunch
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  29. Quote Originally Posted by truthornothin
    Luv the Capn' Crunch
    My one carb up was a whole box of mini wheats oh man was that awesome lol
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  30. Quote Originally Posted by howwedo107 View Post
    My one carb up was a whole box of mini wheats oh man was that awesome lol
    No Way! I had a giant bowl of miniwheats before the two bowls of Captain Crunch lol and that's the truth
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