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    Quote Originally Posted by Patrick Arnold View Post
    u should be doing sets of 20-25 really. dont be afraid to go light with occlusion training. u kinda defeat the purpose if you go to heavy

    and for you david i recommend panty hose or a garter belt rather than knee wraps. It will help put you in the mood for using light weights
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    Quote Originally Posted by Patrick Arnold View Post
    u should be doing sets of 20-25 really. dont be afraid to go light with occlusion training. u kinda defeat the purpose if you go to heavy

    and for you david i recommend panty hose or a garter belt rather than knee wraps. It will help put you in the mood for using light weights
    I went a hundred pounds under my norm I'll do the 20% of a 1 rep max as they suggested, that just seemed too light.

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    Occlusion training update:

    I took Patrick's advice and used a black lacey garter to occlude my triceps else I'd have gone way too heavy, I went light and felt pretty all at the same time......KIDDIN'! All kidding aside I bought some surgical tubing, it works great but there were some chuckles..I don't give a Flying F**k as long as it works. Patrick is right in that it is hard to get my head wrapped around using the light weight required. He has never steered me wrong before so I took his advice(garters and panty hose not withstanding) First set of pushdowns at 55lbs got 25, thought better up the weight, at 75 pounds could only complete 15 reps, dropped back to 55 and got 20 x1 and 15x 1. Tris were pumped and sore, on fire actually. I think this may actually work my elbows desperately need the rest.

    On my calves I have been using knee wraps and light weight. The pain is excruciating its the worst lactic acid burn ever. After my third set I am ripping the wraps off. If this can make my pitiful calves turn into cows I may right a book and become an occlusion training guru/advocate
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    Quote Originally Posted by truthornothin View Post
    Occlusion training update:

    I took Patrick's advice and used a black lacey garter to occlude my triceps else I'd have gone way too heavy, I went light and felt pretty all at the same time......KIDDIN'! All kidding aside I bought some surgical tubing, it works great but there were some chuckles..I don't give a Flying F**k as long as it works. Patrick is right in that it is hard to get my head wrapped around using the light weight required. He has never steered me wrong before so I took his advice(garters and panty hose not withstanding) First set of pushdowns at 55lbs got 25, thought better up the weight, at 75 pounds could only complete 15 reps, dropped back to 55 and got 20 x1 and 15x 1. Tris were pumped and sore, on fire actually. I think this may actually work my elbows desperately need the rest.

    On my calves I have been using knee wraps and light weight. The pain is excruciating its the worst lactic acid burn ever. After my third set I am ripping the wraps off. If this can make my pitiful calves turn into cows I may right a book and become an occlusion training guru/advocate
    I'm going to give this a try this week, as my left elbow tendonitis has flared up. JointForce helped me get it back under control, but that's a big sign that I should de-load this week. Where did you get the surgical tubing? I'm thinking I'll just buy some cheap exercise bands at Walmart or something. Did you try any chest/back moves with your arms occluded, or was it all arm and calf work? Also, did you read that article that suggested one could do a chest or back exercise, and then do a set of occluded squats and get the benefit of occlusion in the chest/back muscles? (google for abcocclusionpaper.pdf and it's the first hit)
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    Quote Originally Posted by muad33b View Post
    I'm going to give this a try this week, as my left elbow tendonitis has flared up. JointForce helped me get it back under control, but that's a big sign that I should de-load this week. Where did you get the surgical tubing? I'm thinking I'll just buy some cheap exercise bands at Walmart or something. Did you try any chest/back moves with your arms occluded, or was it all arm and calf work? Also, did you read that article that suggested one could do a chest or back exercise, and then do a set of occluded squats and get the benefit of occlusion in the chest/back muscles? (google for abcocclusionpaper.pdf and it's the first hit)
    Ixnay on the surgical tubing it is hard to control, especially the exercise bands they have a slick coating and won't stay tight. I got the surgical tubing at Lowe's believe it or not, Home depot carries it too. I found a site that suggested this item in particular. The McDavid Jumpers Knee strap 414R. Its pricey at $14 per, but perfect for the task. I got it at Sports Authority. If I were looking for a cheaper yet good alternative I'd just use Ace Bandages.

    I did read the article you are speaking of, but then read another article that suggested occluded squats are not a good idea because of balance issues into the sets,as I work out sans spotter that may not work for me. I do understand that the hormonal cascade would be mighty and would benefit the entire body and may try it with leg extensions or leg presses instead.
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    Quote Originally Posted by muad33b View Post
    I'm going to give this a try this week, as my left elbow tendonitis has flared up. JointForce helped me get it back under control, but that's a big sign that I should de-load this week. Where did you get the surgical tubing? I'm thinking I'll just buy some cheap exercise bands at Walmart or something. Did you try any chest/back moves with your arms occluded, or was it all arm and calf work? Also, did you read that article that suggested one could do a chest or back exercise, and then do a set of occluded squats and get the benefit of occlusion in the chest/back muscles? (google for abcocclusionpaper.pdf and it's the first hit)

    exercise bands work. its hard to tie these things on yourself though
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    Quote Originally Posted by truthornothin View Post
    Ixnay on the surgical tubing it is hard to control, especially the exercise bands they have a slick coating and won't stay tight. I got the surgical tubing at Lowe's believe it or not, Home depot carries it too. I found a site that suggested this item in particular. The McDavid Jumpers Knee strap 414R. Its pricey at $14 per, but perfect for the task. I got it at Sports Authority. If I were looking for a cheaper yet good alternative I'd just use Ace Bandages. .
    that band uses velcro right? u sure that will hold good enough?
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    Did some occlusion training tonight, just arms, 3 rounds of supersets with ace bandages (took one long bandage and tore it into 4 pieces; had a friend with me) since the two places I went didn't have surgical tubing. I ended up doing just the following:

    My goal was to ensure that we did 4 sets in < 10 minutes, which wasn't a problem.

    1) bands on, bodyweight dips, db curls, dips, curls, bands off.
    2) bands on, single arm reverse grip cable pressdown with internal twist at the end, db curls, pressdowns, curls, bands off.
    3) bands on, pressdowns, curls, pressdowns, curls, bands off.

    By the end of round 2 we were both looking seriously swole... by the end of round 3, we both agreed it was the biggest pump we'd ever achieved, and decided we were good for the night. It wasn't as painfull as I thought it would be (expected 8 out of 10 more like a 6), and it was way more effective then I thought it would be... my buddy ended up saying that he never wanted to do arms again without occlusion.

    Thanks for the tip Patrick, was nice to use light weights and get a great arm workout during my deload/off time... gonna continue to play with this, and UR Spray pre-workout.
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    Quote Originally Posted by muad33b View Post
    Did some occlusion training tonight, just arms, 3 rounds of supersets with ace bandages (took one long bandage and tore it into 4 pieces; had a friend with me) since the two places I went didn't have surgical tubing. I ended up doing just the following:

    My goal was to ensure that we did 4 sets in < 10 minutes, which wasn't a problem.

    1) bands on, bodyweight dips, db curls, dips, curls, bands off.
    2) bands on, single arm reverse grip cable pressdown with internal twist at the end, db curls, pressdowns, curls, bands off.
    3) bands on, pressdowns, curls, pressdowns, curls, bands off.

    By the end of round 2 we were both looking seriously swole... by the end of round 3, we both agreed it was the biggest pump we'd ever achieved, and decided we were good for the night. It wasn't as painfull as I thought it would be (expected 8 out of 10 more like a 6), and it was way more effective then I thought it would be... my buddy ended up saying that he never wanted to do arms again without occlusion.

    Thanks for the tip Patrick, was nice to use light weights and get a great arm workout during my deload/off time... gonna continue to play with this, and UR Spray pre-workout.
    I did tri's occluded yesterday, it hurts, a lot, and I had a good pump with the bands on, when I took the bands off, I could feel the skin tightening and literally stretching. I think when my elbows heal up I am going to go heavy for 4weeks at a stretch then occlude for two. I'll see how that works out.
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    Everything going well, cutting for an upcoming event and today is carb up day see below

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    Old blood pressure cuffs? Like PA said, I can't imagine being able to take off the tubing or bands and then tying it back on quick enough in time for the next set. It definitely seems to be an issue when occlusion training is brought up. I'm sure you can find old BP cuffs somewhere fairly cheap? As long as they hold the pressure...

    Or unless you still are able to tie off and on from your heroin days...
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    Quote Originally Posted by RD929 View Post
    Old blood pressure cuffs? Like PA said, I can't imagine being able to take off the tubing or bands and then tying it back on quick enough in time for the next set. It definitely seems to be an issue when occlusion training is brought up. I'm sure you can find old BP cuffs somewhere fairly cheap? As long as they hold the pressure...

    Or unless you still are able to tie off and on from your heroin days...
    I have solved the problem, the leg bands hold their setting but are too hard to pull up my arm when set properly. I tied the surgical tubing into permanent loops and its stretchy enough to go up my arm but hold like a mf'er during my sets. You do not take them on and off. You leave them on throughout the routine for the particular body part. I am having great success on my calves and tris, calves are growing when they never would before, and triceps maintaining while I give my elbows a break.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RD929 View Post
    Old blood pressure cuffs? Like PA said, I can't imagine being able to take off the tubing or bands and then tying it back on quick enough in time for the next set. It definitely seems to be an issue when occlusion training is brought up. I'm sure you can find old BP cuffs somewhere fairly cheap? As long as they hold the pressure...

    Or unless you still are able to tie off and on from your heroin days...

    u do not remove the tubing between sets
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    Quote Originally Posted by Patrick Arnold View Post
    u do not remove the tubing between sets
    Yea, that's kinda what I did... I did 3 super-sets (6 total sets) before taking a short break and then repeated that round 2 more times, for a total of 18 sets occluded with two breaks for about 3-5 minutes in the middle.... from what I was reading it was advisable to leave them on for no more than 10 minutes to avoid the risk of necrosis or embolism, which is why I did this in 3 rounds; to be sure I didn't push that envelope. Works like a charm; best pump I've ever had.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Patrick Arnold View Post
    u do not remove the tubing between sets
    no, I leave them on for the duration of that body part's workout. I followed a training regimen I found online and like Jeff said, 10 mins, I complete my tricep routine in about that much time. I do 4 sets of seated dips on the hoist dip machine and 4 set of pushdowns. Jeff is right the pumps are freaking ridiculous. My calves I do the same way but I use wraps.

    I have also started to include(against Patrick's advice, sorry Patrick) 4 sets of occlusion curls at the end of my bicep workout. I cannot touch my face after the pump is so intense. I do it every other work out.

    Calves are improved as they wouldn't grow at all, triceps are growing again though I've really f'ed my elbows, I have a fluid filled pouch on the right one after last Sunday. Thinking of aspirating it myself...nah, better not.

    Anyway a big thanks to Patrick for recommending it. It does seem to work, though I get weird stares when I pull up the surgical tubing, next time I may tap my vein a little just for laughs lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by truthornothin
    Everything going well, cutting for an upcoming event and today is carb up day see below

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    UR- Spray is still a staple, have been low carbing it and the Captain Crunch was a welcome change
    Epic lol just pour that whole box in there until it cuts the roof of your mouth haha
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    Quote Originally Posted by howwedo107 View Post
    Epic lol just pour that whole box in there until it cuts the roof of your mouth haha
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    Quote Originally Posted by truthornothin
    Luv the Capn' Crunch
    My one carb up was a whole box of mini wheats oh man was that awesome lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by howwedo107 View Post
    My one carb up was a whole box of mini wheats oh man was that awesome lol
    No Way! I had a giant bowl of miniwheats before the two bowls of Captain Crunch lol and that's the truth
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    Quote Originally Posted by truthornothin View Post
    no, I leave them on for the duration of that body part's workout. I followed a training regimen I found online and like Jeff said, 10 mins, I complete my tricep routine in about that much time. I do 4 sets of seated dips on the hoist dip machine and 4 set of pushdowns. Jeff is right the pumps are freaking ridiculous. My calves I do the same way but I use wraps.

    I have also started to include(against Patrick's advice, sorry Patrick) 4 sets of occlusion curls at the end of my bicep workout. I cannot touch my face after the pump is so intense. I do it every other work out.

    Calves are improved as they wouldn't grow at all, triceps are growing again though I've really f'ed my elbows, I have a fluid filled pouch on the right one after last Sunday. Thinking of aspirating it myself...nah, better not.

    Anyway a big thanks to Patrick for recommending it. It does seem to work, though I get weird stares when I pull up the surgical tubing, next time I may tap my vein a little just for laughs lol
    Had to delete the prior post, due to editorial input, My gf's input . She made me delete a pic any hoo here is the revised post....

    Here is the surgical tubing and why people stare at me in the gym when I use it, I look like a heroin addict working out between shootups

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    Here is aforementioned Girlfriend, she doesn't need occlusion to make her triceps grow and the guys stare at her for other reasons lol.. She is a natural athlete no juice despite what you may think.

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    The bicep is coming along nicely notice the split at the top where you can actually start to see the separation of the two heads even though the pic is a bit blurry

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    Quote Originally Posted by truthornothin View Post
    The bicep is coming along nicely notice the split at the top where you can actually start to see the separation of the two heads even though the pic is a bit blurry
    Siiick bro; I'd be thrilled if my bicep looked half as good as that...
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    Quote Originally Posted by muad33b View Post
    Siiick bro; I'd be thrilled if my bicep looked half as good as that...
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    Man you are indeed cutting it up!
    You're gonna look awesome for the event.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mattrag View Post
    Man you are indeed cutting it up!
    You're gonna look awesome for the event.
    Thanks, I still feel fat, damn body dysmorphic disorder
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    Quote Originally Posted by truthornothin View Post
    Thanks, I still feel fat, damn body dysmorphic disorder
    Yea, seriously... I wish I was as "fat" as you are bro.
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    Quote Originally Posted by muad33b View Post
    Yea, seriously... I wish I was as "fat" as you are bro.
    thanks, I got a little shy of three weeks to be where I wanna be for said event, but maybe more as the event remains a little amorphous at the moment...trying to get that sorted out. Today I hope, I don't wanna diet for naught, this boy likes to eat.. Pulled Pork bbq, grits and gravy and biscuits heavy on the butter and jam..... all the good ol' southern delicacies lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by truthornothin View Post
    thanks, I got a little shy of three weeks to be where I wanna be for said event, but maybe more as the event remains a little amorphous at the moment...trying to get that sorted out. Today I hope, I don't wanna diet for naught, this boy likes to eat.. Pulled Pork bbq, grits and gravy and biscuits heavy on the butter and jam..... all the good ol' southern delicacies lol
    no talking about food until 4pm when I break my daily fast... I'm going fairly low carb this week too so if you see a news article about a guy throwing a cashier thru a wall at a dunkin donuts and eating 300 donuts before being subdued by police while in a carb stupor, you know what happened.
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    Quote Originally Posted by muad33b View Post
    no talking about food until 4pm when I break my daily fast... I'm going fairly low carb this week too so if you see a news article about a guy throwing a cashier thru a wall at a dunkin donuts and eating 300 donuts before being subdued by police while in a carb stupor, you know what happened.
    I haven't seen a carb since sunday when I went to the fair and had whatever I wanted fininshing with an elephant ear mmmm good stuff, that beig said I have added the UR tabs to my regimen and even with my culinary indiscretions with fair food I am still leaning out nicely Name:  bicep ripped.jpg
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    Do you recommend ur spray or ursobolic tabs

    Ur spray without a doubt
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    Quote Originally Posted by Patrick Arnold

    Ur spray without a doubt
    Ya i thought i remembered you saying the spray was far superior. Since this isnt advanced discussion can you talk about dosing times and amounts?
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    Quote Originally Posted by mattys4 View Post
    Ya i thought i remembered you saying the spray was far superior. Since this isnt advanced discussion can you talk about dosing times and amounts?
    recc. dosage is ~50 Sprays 2x/day with more vascular areas (e.g. inside of arms, tops of hands/feet, behind ears, junk, upper thighs, etc.) being preferred targets...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Patrick Arnold View Post
    Ur spray without a doubt
    Even about your UR Tabs??
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    About how mañy sprays in a bottle
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