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    Nice work coop! 410 at your weight is pretty stinking beastly if I do say so myself. Where can I read more about this PHAT program? Must have missed this one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Geoforce View Post
    Nice work coop! 410 at your weight is pretty stinking beastly if I do say so myself. Where can I read more about this PHAT program? Must have missed this one.
    Thanks man...my goal is to increase it by 5 every week (while, losing weight?).

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    Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post
    Thanks man...my goal is to increase it by 5 every week (while, losing weight?).

    http://www.simplyshredded.com/mega-f...ated-2011.html
    Awesome, thanks for the link.
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    Killing it Coop, layne is a beast in his own category
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    Quote Originally Posted by Geoforce View Post
    Awesome, thanks for the link.
    No problem man, congrats on the rep gig!

    Quote Originally Posted by vicesoldier View Post
    Killing it Coop, layne is a beast in his own category
    Thanks bud, and yeah, Layne is a true inspiration.

    Days 17-18 (5/30-5/31)

    PHAT DAY 3 - Shoulders and Back Hypertrophy


    Weight: 168 lbs

    Overhand Barbell Rows (explosive training)

    130x3
    130x3
    130x3
    130x3
    130x3
    130x3

    Pullups/Chinups

    BWx10 (Hammer-Grip Pullups)
    BWx10 (Pullups)
    BWx9 (Chinups)

    Seated Cable Row

    135x11
    135x10
    135x10

    Dumbbell Row

    65x14
    65x13

    Close-Grip Lat Pulldown

    135x17
    135x16

    Seated DB Shoulder Press

    45x11
    45x10
    45x10

    Upright Row

    75x13
    75x12

    Lateral Raises

    20x14
    20x13
    20x13

    Cable Crunches

    120x7

    Hanging Leg Raises

    BWx13/fail

    Abdominal Crunch machine


    90x12

    Cardio:

    Row Machine:

    HIIT- 21
    total cycles of:

    1 minute slow
    30 seconds intense

    Ended with a 1 minute cooldown.

    Total time: 32:30 (32 minutes, 30 seconds)

    Workout Notes:

    -Strength up very modestly, but bodyweight is down and it seems like it's more than water.

    Ergobolic Notes:

    -The successful recomposition continues, as muscles appear larger and fuller than ever with fat/water loss occurring consistently at this point.
    -Sleep last night was the deepest YET, as I got 11 hours of uninterrupted sleep, not to mention vivid dreams.
    -The enhanced stimulant effect continues and I am LOVING it haha.
    -Overall better mood, day in and day out.
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    Damn Cy oO...pretty nice , losing fat (if you had any lol) and still packing up muscle and strength...I need a bottle of this haha
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    Good stuff with this phat training. I was on this program for a month back in December but I added in too much shoulder work and the frequency with my heavy incline bench presses..this created a situation which led to a grade a separated shoulder lol.
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    Coop:

    Great progress so far. Do you attribute the increased sleep to the high volume workouts or to the Ergobolic? Seems like amazing results considering this product is just tea extract. I will definitely look into picking up a bottle.

    And nice deadlifts there!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Celorza View Post
    Damn Cy oO...pretty nice , losing fat (if you had any lol) and still packing up muscle and strength...I need a bottle of this haha
    Thanks buddy. I have actually lost 1-1.5% BF since starting ergobolic which is pretty fantastic (although an estimate). I was transitioning into bulk mode previously, but despite the fact that I'm not tracking my diet and eating with flexibility as I please, I'm once again losing bodyfat.

    Quote Originally Posted by bigdavid View Post
    Good stuff with this phat training. I was on this program for a month back in December but I added in too much shoulder work and the frequency with my heavy incline bench presses..this created a situation which led to a grade a separated shoulder lol.
    The training does take a lot out of you, but I think I'm still adapting to the high volume. How long will you be unable to do upper body work due to the shoulder? I feel your pain with the injuries, and it's rough man .

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    Coop:

    Great progress so far. Do you attribute the increased sleep to the high volume workouts or to the Ergobolic? Seems like amazing results considering this product is just tea extract. I will definitely look into picking up a bottle.

    And nice deadlifts there!
    It is probably a combination of both, as with all things in this world. However, I encourage you to revisit the label because the balck tea extract is only one ingredient (and in my opinion, the least beneficial of the three). Sutherlandia and momordica both look great on paper, as per rat studies.


    Day 19 (6/1)

    PHAT - Lower Body Hypertrophy


    Weight: 169 lbs

    ATG Back Squat (Explosiveness training)

    165x3
    165x3
    165x3
    165x3
    165x3
    165x3

    ATG Back Squat

    175x10
    175x9
    175x9

    Walking DB Lunges

    50sx14
    50sx13

    Leg Extensions

    130x19
    130x18
    130x18

    Romanian Deadlift (with 25 lb plates instead of 45 lb plates for extra ROM, very slow negatives)

    225x10
    225x9
    225x9

    Lying Leg Curl

    105x13
    105x12

    Seated Leg Curl

    75x20
    75x20

    Standing Calf Raises

    105x12
    105x11
    105x11
    105x11

    Seated Calf Raises

    112.5x15
    112.5x15
    112.5x15

    Abdominal Crunch Machine

    100x8

    Hanging Leg Raises

    BWx14/fail

    Cardio:

    HIIT - Elliptical
    Cross-ramp setting: 6 (slight incline)

    14 total cycles of:

    1 minute walk
    20 second sprint

    Followed by a 1 minute, 50 second (1:50) cooldown walk

    Total calories burnt: 220
    Total time: 20 minutes, 30 seconds

    Workout Notes:

    -Today's workout was pretty tough. I train fasted first thing in the morning, and today I was a little sluggish out of bed due to what I think was a bout of food poisoning last night. I woke up at about 6 AM, in the middle of the night, and started salivating in preparation for a vomiting episode. I choked it back down (probably foolishly), and after staying up for another hour with stomach pain, I went back to bed. Today, I was detached from the training session. I didn't get the mind-muscle connection I wanted on many exercises, and the weight just felt heavier overall because I wasn't amped in even the least bit. That said, there was a miniscule increase in strength.

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    -I've been having some vivid dreams, and with the exception of last night's odd episode, I truly feel that ergobolic has some sleep-enhancing and adaptogenic properties.
    -I'm pleased with my body composition. I've hovered around 170 lbs the whole run but I'm only looking better and better in the mirror.
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    So I have been on this product for a week and by mid week I made mention of the sleep, and the unreal dreams. I mean crazy stuff. Even better for me is the past few months I have needed help with sleep aids melatonin valarian root etc etc. this is the first week where I did not use any sleep aids since my deployment. The sleep is just unreal and I wake up Veiny as heck. SO I asked if anyone else was having this or if it was placebo and they pointed me to your log. Nice work man
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    I am almost healed I would say since this happened like 5 months ago. I got an xray 2 weeks ago and both of my shoulder joints are wider than the average person.. but Dr. said it could just be how I am..I don't really feel any discomfort anymore but I am hesitant to lift very heavy on it. Deff am not doing any flies the torque on my joint is too much. Odd enough it feels better on incline bench compared to flat..
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    OK, now I have to try this for the dreams alone. The ingredient profile seems super-safe so why not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Est1969 View Post
    OK, now I have to try this for the dreams alone. The ingredient profile seems super-safe so why not. Anyone know the best place to buy this? So far the best price I've seen is 24.99 pre-tax, pre-shipping. Anyone got this beat?
    Probably not, but you can check around.
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    Will also be looking to purchase sometime in the future thx to Coop
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    [QUOTE=ErgoGenix;3415943]Probably not, but you can check /QUOTE]

    Thanks for the reply.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Est1969 View Post
    Thanks for the reply. Sorry for being such a noob...but what is Trae's store?

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    Great now coops thread will get deleted lol come on guys...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Outside Backer View Post
    So I have been on this product for a week and by mid week I made mention of the sleep, and the unreal dreams. I mean crazy stuff. Even better for me is the past few months I have needed help with sleep aids melatonin valarian root etc etc. this is the first week where I did not use any sleep aids since my deployment. The sleep is just unreal and I wake up Veiny as heck. SO I asked if anyone else was having this or if it was placebo and they pointed me to your log. Nice work man
    Quote Originally Posted by bigdavid View Post
    I am almost healed I would say since this happened like 5 months ago. I got an xray 2 weeks ago and both of my shoulder joints are wider than the average person.. but Dr. said it could just be how I am..I don't really feel any discomfort anymore but I am hesitant to lift very heavy on it. Deff am not doing any flies the torque on my joint is too much. Odd enough it feels better on incline bench compared to flat..
    Good to hear it's getting better. That's not odd at all FYI. Flat bench puts the shoulder in a very uncomfortable and unnatural position. A combination of incline + decline is actually preferable for the shoulder joint. Straight-arm flyes, wide grip/behind the neck lat pulldowns, and possibly upright rows are also no-nos in your position.

    Quote Originally Posted by Est1969 View Post
    OK, now I have to try this for the dreams alone. The ingredient profile seems super-safe so why not.
    Quote Originally Posted by ErgoGenix View Post
    Probably not, but you can check around.
    Quote Originally Posted by theniteman View Post
    Will also be looking to purchase sometime in the future thx to Coop
    Quote Originally Posted by LiveToLift View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Est1969 View Post
    Sorry...deleted the deletables. Wasn't thinking...
    I am so utterly confused right now. Seems like a VERY broken conversation haha

    Day 20 (6/2)

    PHAT DAY - Chest and Arms Hypertrophy


    Weight: 170 lbs

    Flat BB Bench (Explosiveness training)

    130x3
    130x3
    130x3
    130x3
    130x3
    130x3

    Incline DB Bench (Setting: 5)

    60x11
    60x10
    60x10

    Wide-Chest Hammer Press

    192x14
    192x13

    Incline Cable Flyes (2nd lowest setting)

    20x16 (I'm assuming each plate is 10 lbs)
    20x16

    E-Z Bar Preacher Curl (assuming 35 lb E-Z Bar)

    65x12
    65x11
    65x11

    DB Concentration Curl

    25x13
    25x12

    Straight Bar Spider Curls Bracing Upper Body Against Preacher Rack (Assuming 35 lb straight bar)

    45x16
    45x15

    Seated Overhead Tricep Extension Using E-Z Bar

    55x12
    55x11
    55x11

    Rope Pushdowns

    40x14
    40x13

    Cable Kickbacks (3rd lowest setting, using no attachment)

    12.5x17
    12.5x16

    Cable Crunches

    120x7

    Hanging Leg Raises

    BWx14/fail

    Cardio:

    HIIT - Elliptical
    Cross-ramp setting: 6 (slight incline)

    14 total cycles of:

    1 minute walk
    20 second sprint

    Followed by a 2:20 (2 minute, 20 seconds) cooldown walk

    Total calories burnt: 230
    Total time: 21 minutes

    Workout Notes:

    -Another workout that I'm very pleased with. I didn't feel like I was working too hard, but strength was up a tad, and bodyweight is back at 170.
    -I finally have a pic that I took cold this morning, still have to upload it from my phone. Lighting sucks and you'll have to excuse the fact that I haven't shaved my body, but it should give a fair indication of where I stand.

    Ergobolic Notes:

    -Again, deep sleep. The vivid dreams come and go and aren't terribly consistent, but as someone who has major sleep issues, I have definitely noticed a change in my ability to get and stay asleep since I started using ergobolic.
    -I feel that body composition is improving. I'm back at 170 lbs but looking fuller than ever and recovering at a rapid pace.
    -Feeling better overall on a daily basis as well. During workouts, I'm more amped up than usual due to the combined effect with stims. Nothing new to report there. Of note: I will be adding ergotest to the stack starting on my 2nd bottle of ergobolic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ErgoGenix View Post
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    Brb typing response now...I was off yesterday!
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    Days 21-22 (6/3-6/4)

    PHAT DAY - Upper Body Power


    Weight: 168 lbs

    Underhanded Barbell Row

    175x5
    175x5
    175x5

    Pullups/Chinups

    BW+20x7 (Pullup)
    BW+20x6 (Hammer-Grip Pullup)
    BW+20x7 (Chinup)
    BW+20x7 (Pullup)

    Flat DB Bench (the first rep of every set was unassisted but I didn't get a good ROM on that rep because I couldn't get set properly if I went too deep...weights were heavy for me)

    85sx3
    85sx2
    85sx2

    Dips

    BW+45x7
    BW+45x7

    Standing Barbell Military Press

    100x7
    100x6
    100x6

    Barbell Curls

    70x9
    70x9
    70x8

    Skullcrusher

    65x8
    65x8
    65x8

    Abdominal Crunch Machine

    90x13

    Hanging Leg Raises

    BWx14/fail

    Cardio:

    HIIT: Rowing Machine

    22 cycles of:

    1 minute slow
    30 seconds fast

    Followed by a 1 minute cooldown.

    Total time: 34 minutes

    Workout Notes:

    -One of my worse workouts in recent memory. I felt and looked flat today, an indication that I've been undereating, especially in the carbohydrate department. This was further evidence by my decrease in strength on both Barbell Rows and Flat DB Bench Press (though other lifts maintained or increased, oddly enough). I will be eating a ton today to get my strength up for a heavy leg day tomorrow.

    Ergobolic Notes:

    -I can now say with absolute certainty that ergobolic is a legitimate sleep aid. It allows me to sleep throughout the night in an uninterrupted manner, and dreams last night were as vivid as they've ever been. While it does not actually induce sleep, I can imagine that a stack of Melatonin and/or GABA with ergobolic would best one of the best sleep aid combos money can buy (supplementally, of course).
    -Despite today's fall in strength on the heavy lifts, body composition continues to improve, with fat mass down by <1% over the past 4 days and muscle mass about the same (the reading isn't 100% accurate though, but I try to keep things ceteris paribus).
    -My hunger appears to be slightly lower since starting ergobolic. I have no clue if there's a direct connection, but the fact that I am eating by feel/whatever/whenever i want and am losing weight indicates that my appetite for food is down. I could see this being a valuable thing on a cut.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mattrag View Post
    Where's da pic?
    Good question. Once my droid x manages to open facebook properly, it'll be up here. Piece of junk, honestly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69

    Good question. Once my droid x manages to open facebook properly, it'll be up here. Piece of junk, honestly.
    Hehe, no problem lol
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    Day 23 (6/5)

    PHAT DAY - Lower Body Power


    Weight: 168 lbs

    Deadlift

    375x4
    375x3
    375x3
    415x1

    Front Squat

    175x5
    175x4
    175x4

    Hack Squat Machine

    384x7
    384x7

    Leg Press - Full ROM

    635x7
    635x7

    Good Morning

    145x7
    145x7
    145x7

    Lying Leg Curl

    130x9
    130x8

    Standing Calf Raises

    140x9
    140x9
    140x8

    Seated Calf Raises

    140x10
    140x10

    Cable Crunches

    120x7

    Hanging Leg Raises

    BWx14/fail

    Cardio:

    HIIT - Elliptical
    Cross-ramp setting: 6 (slight incline)

    14 total cycles of:

    1 minute walk
    20 second sprint

    Followed by a 2:50 (2 minute, 50 second) cooldown walk

    Total calories burnt: 235
    Total time: 21:30 (21 minutes, 30 seconds)

    Workout Notes:

    -Great workout today. Woke up, took my EC, Citrulline Malate, and Ergoblic, and went directly to the gym. I was in there for a solid 2 hours and felt pretty strong on all my lifts. Strength indeed continues to increase despite losing about 4 lbs of fat since starting this log. Recomposition effects...splendid .

    Ergobolic Notes:

    -Sleep, again, was incredibly deep. I notice that I'm also very refreshed in the morning, and that I sleep longer hours than usual (9-10) hours and thus wake up later in the day than I'm accustomed to.
    -I'm curious about other effects that Sutherlandia may provide? Having used bitter melon extract in the past at solid doses, I think it's fair to attribute most of the things I'm noticing to the Sutherlandia. Hopefully James can make an appearance, because so far, the herb seems to improve sleep, improve mood, enhance the effects of stims, and reduce appetite mildly. The combination of Sutherlandia + the other ingredients is likely responsible for the recomp effects.
    -Still no sore joints, GI issues, or side effects...period!
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    Days 24-25 (6/6-6/7)

    PHAT DAY 3 - Shoulders and Back Hypertrophy


    Weight: 169 lbs

    Overhand Barbell Rows (explosive training)

    135x3
    135x3
    135x3
    135x3
    135x3
    135x3

    Pullups/Chinups

    BWx10 (Hammer-Grip Pullups)
    BWx10 (Pullups)
    BWx9 (Chinups)

    Seated Cable Row

    135x11
    135x10
    135x10

    Dumbbell Row

    65x14
    65x13

    Close-Grip Lat Pulldown

    135x17
    135x16

    Seated DB Shoulder Press

    45x11
    45x11
    45x10

    Upright Row

    75x13
    75x13

    Lateral Raises

    20x14
    20x14
    20x13

    Cable Crunches

    110x10

    Hanging Leg Raises

    BWx15/fail

    Abdominal Crunch machine


    95x10

    Cardio:

    Row Machine:

    HIIT- 22
    total cycles of:

    1 minute slow
    30 seconds intense

    Ended with a 1:30 (1 minute, 30 second) cooldown.

    Total time: 34:30 (34 minutes, 30 seconds)

    Workout Notes:

    -I felt pretty lethargic today for whatever reason, but I still got an ok mind-muscle connection for my back exercises, and strength either maintained or increased slightly.

    Ergobolic Notes:

    -Today was a little unusual. It's almost like I'm reliant on the ergobolic to amp up my EC for my pre-workout energy, which indicates that a stim-break is in order. I'm going to go stim-free at Day 31 when I start my second bottle of ergobolic plus ergotest.
    -Sleep continues to improve and it's awesome...nothing more to add. Vivid dreams, and I feel like I could sleep-in all day if I wanted to.
    -Recomposition continues to occur, and fat mass is not accumulated as easily, especially because I ate like crap the past 2 days and still reside at around 170 lbs.
    -No sore joints or other negative symptoms of low cortisol.
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    Finally got an online order in for ergobolic. I look forward to trying it next week. Great workout log coop.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Est1969 View Post
    Finally got an online order in for ergobolic. I look forward to trying it next week. Great workout log coop.
    Thanks man, and a great purchase! Let me know how it goes for you!

    Day 26 (6/8)

    PHAT - Lower Body Hypertrophy


    Weight: Did not check

    ATG Back Squat (Explosiveness training)

    165x3
    165x3
    165x3
    165x3
    165x3
    165x3

    ATG Back Squat

    175x10
    175x9
    175x9

    Walking DB Lunges

    50sx14
    50sx13

    Leg Extensions

    130x19
    130x18
    130x18

    Romanian Deadlift (with 25 lb plates instead of 45 lb plates for extra ROM, very slow negatives)

    225x10
    225x9
    225x9

    Lying Leg Curl

    105x13
    105x12

    Seated Leg Curl

    85x16
    85x16

    Standing Calf Raises

    105x12
    105x11
    105x11
    105x11

    Seated Calf Raises

    115x15
    115x15
    115x15

    Cable Crunches

    110x11

    Hanging Leg Raises

    BWx14/fail

    Cardio:

    HIIT - Elliptical
    Cross-ramp setting: 6 (slight incline)

    15 total cycles of:

    1 minute walk
    20 second sprint

    Followed by a 2 minute cooldown walk

    Total calories burnt: 245
    Total time: 22 minutes

    Workout Notes:

    -Today was a bit of an anomaly in my schedule, as I was busy all day, ate an epic dinner (~2,500 calories according to Outback's online facts), planned to train a little later, then found out my new gym closed early on Fridays. So, 1 hour after eating to the point that I was in pain, I found myself in the gym doing squats. It was terrible. EC didn't kick in because I took it on a full stomach, and I had a bad headache throughout the session. So on top of cheating on my diet, I now had what could have been a crappy training session to boot. I had to rush through all my sets, but I still managed to maintain strength on all lifts, though I didn't push myself as I had hoped due to the time restrictions and full belly.
    -The mind-muscle connection wasn't really there today as I gasped for oxygen after every set. Doing legs with a food baby = no bueno.
    -By workout's end, I felt comfortable enough to do cardio and zoomed through it.

    Ergobolic Notes:

    -Sleep: As always, the process for sleep went: head on pillow -> sleep. It's beautiful, and the vivid dreams are too. I am noticing that I tend to wake up at one point in the night and feel very hot and sweaty, even when the temperature is cool. Interesting again, to say the least.
    -Not much new to report relative to yesterday. Hopefully the recomp effects carry me through this cheat meal!
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    I love me some outback... Their steaks are good and their blooming onion is sinful lol

    ... I just couldn't imagine working out after eating there. I usually find myself in a food coma after leaving there

    Props for still busting through a solid workout!
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    Quote Originally Posted by theniteman View Post
    I love me some outback... Their steaks are good and their blooming onion is sinful lol

    ... I just couldn't imagine working out after eating there. I usually find myself in a food coma after leaving there

    Props for still busting through a solid workout!
    Thanks brotha, it was hell but I felt so much better when all was said and done. Despite consuming around 6k cals total yesterday, my weight is the lowest it's been in 2 months. That's the whoosh effect for you in full force!


    Day 27 (6/9)

    PHAT DAY - Chest and Arms Hypertrophy


    Weight: 166 lbs

    Flat BB Bench (Explosiveness training)

    135x3
    135x3
    135x3
    135x3
    135x3
    135x3

    Incline DB Bench (Setting: 5)

    60x11
    60x10
    60x10

    Wide-Chest Hammer Press

    192x14
    192x13
    192x13

    Incline Cable Flyes (2nd lowest setting)

    20x17 (I'm assuming each plate is 10 lbs)
    20x17

    E-Z Bar Preacher Curl (assuming 35 lb E-Z Bar)

    65x12
    65x11
    65x11

    DB Concentration Curl

    25x13
    25x12

    Straight Bar Spider Curls Bracing Upper Body Against Preacher Rack (Assuming 35 lb straight bar)

    45x16
    45x16

    Seated Overhead Tricep Extension Using E-Z Bar

    55x12
    55x12
    55x11

    Rope Pushdowns

    40x14
    40x13

    Cable Kickbacks (3rd lowest setting, using no attachment)

    12.5x18
    12.5x17

    Abdominal Crunch Machine

    95x10

    Hanging Leg Raises

    BWx15/fail

    Cardio:

    HIIT - Elliptical
    Cross-ramp setting: 6 (slight incline)

    15 total cycles of:

    1 minute walk
    20 second sprint

    Followed by a 2:30 (2 minute, 30 seconds) cooldown walk

    Total calories burnt: 255
    Total time: 22:30 (22 minutes, 30 seconds)

    Workout Notes:

    -Greaaatttt workout today. While my strength stayed the same as last week, I got a really strong mind-muscle connection with all my lifts, and by the end of my workout, bi's, tri's, and pecs were all at the point of being non-functional, which is usually a good sign .
    -Preworkout I took my usual ergobolic, EC, and SNS Citrulline Malate + ALCAR. Pumps were insane today, which I'm attributing to replenished glycogen stores due to my cheat meal yesterday, along with the great MMC I got on my lifts.
    -After getting no effect from EC yesterday, I took it with ergobolic today and I got the strongest stimulant effect from EC that I have gotten since starting this log. I was actually jittery for about 10 minutes and had to calm myself in the locker room before hitting the weights.

    Ergobolic Notes:

    -Last night was the best night of sleep I've gotten since starting the log. 11 hours, extremely deep, and I could have slept even longer but I decided I need to be productive and start off my day. Dreams were vivid, and recall is starting to improve. Lucidity is also showing its face in the form of naked women
    -Again, felt hot last night for a period of 10-15 minutes.
    -Obviously recomposition continues to occur. I have no clue how my weight is down to 166 lbs despite eating an excess of calories for the past week. I guess the combination of cardio and ergobolic are working, because strength and muscle mass is maintaining while fat stores are visibly diminished. Can't wait to start on Ergotest soon, should be epic.
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    Good workout and notes Cy , it seems the ergogenic effects of this could be cummulative or increased with overtime usage as those of forskolin I think. Oh and btw ;p I did those today but for 5 sets of 5 reps as a warm up before my 5/3/1 lifts hehe , BB Flat explosive I mean , same weight , but I kinda did a wider grip ;p feels awesome doesn't it?
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    I love workouts after cheat days.

    The sleep you're getting is amazing. 11 hours? My god... By "lucid" do you mean dream control? You've mentioned it a few times before so I thought I'd ask. What was your lucid rate before ergobolic?

    Good stuff man. Keep it coming.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Celorza View Post
    Good workout and notes Cy , it seems the ergogenic effects of this could be cummulative or increased with overtime usage as those of forskolin I think. Oh and btw ;p I did those today but for 5 sets of 5 reps as a warm up before my 5/3/1 lifts hehe , BB Flat explosive I mean , same weight , but I kinda did a wider grip ;p feels awesome doesn't it?
    Haha thanks man, and yeah the wider grip really emphasizes the pecs. It's a good feeling when you hit that MMC.

    Quote Originally Posted by Est1969 View Post
    I love workouts after cheat days.

    The sleep you're getting is amazing. 11 hours? My god... By "lucid" do you mean dream control? You've mentioned it a few times before so I thought I'd ask. What was your lucid rate before ergobolic?

    Good stuff man. Keep it coming.
    Well, I lucid dream frequently because I've had sleep-paralysis my whole life, and I get it both pre- and post- REM. I'll typically get 1-2 lucid dreams a week, but with ergobolic it's up to 3-4 incidents a week, but MULTIPLE times a night which is awesome.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post
    Haha thanks man, and yeah the wider grip really emphasizes the pecs. It's a good feeling when you hit that MMC.



    Well, I lucid dream frequently because I've had sleep-paralysis my whole life, and I get it both pre- and post- REM. I'll typically get 1-2 lucid dreams a week, but with ergobolic it's up to 3-4 incidents a week, but MULTIPLE times a night which is awesome.
    All i read was: "Lucid boobies multiple times a week is AWESOME!"
    For that, agreed.

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    Awesome is an understatement. I get about 4 per year. I would kill to have one a week. Jelly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Celorza View Post
    All i read was: "Lucid boobies multiple times a week is AWESOME!"
    For that, agreed.

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    Haha, but the underwear bro!

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    Awesome is an understatement. I get about 4 per year. I would kill to have one a week. Jelly.
    Look up sleep paralysis. Would you kill to have that every night for up to 20-30 minutes at a time? You can't breathe, the whole time you are panicking, and you hallucinate dark figures in your room...all while conscious. Not a worthwhile tradeoff IMO haha.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post
    Haha, but the underwear bro!



    Look up sleep paralysis. Would you kill to have that every night for up to 20-30 minutes at a time? You can't breathe, the whole time you are panicking, and you hallucinate dark figures in your room...all while conscious. Not a worthwhile tradeoff IMO haha.
    Gonna sound unoriginal saying it now since we have been friends for some weeks now Cy...I have suffered sleep paralysis to some extent too , though my main condition has never been really Sleep Paralysis , not many times has it happened to me thank god...Mine is Night Terrors, and the continuing unrestful sleep and hallucinations of beings in your room (kinda like silhouttes of darkness...) is the worst f*cking experience ever...hence I asked your help for a sleep aid that would knock me cold and not make me face night terrors again and again every night...yet T.T all my attempts are still futile...but coping with it, they get worse and they get milder from time to time...
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