AndrewNico
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Alright, well here we are. Log Thread is here:
http://anabolicminds.com/forum/supplement-reviews-logs/180777-andrew-lean-strong.html
1st off, before/after pics here (1st one before, 2nd after DUH):
(I didnt include a front double bi's because honestly I was too fed up with taking pictures with my phone that I just quit, lol)
edit: since I didnt have much for comparison with my arms, I did some measurements. Cold, flexed before / after
Before:
R/L - 14 7/8 in
After:
R/L - 15 in (+1/8 in)
nothing huge, but some progress indeed.
I want to apologize right off the bat because the camera I used was different for each set of pictures. Lighting/resolution/saturation makes a lot of difference.
That being said, I started at 159lbs and ended at 162lbs (this morning). A 3lb gain with seemingly no change in %bf is good news IMO. Strange thing is, I went into this log looking just for strength gains (and my workout regiment was more suited towards strength gains, although it did work hypertrophy quite a bit) but I ended up with more size than strength gain. So, good news there.
Now, I said I didnt have any strength gains. You might be thinking, well if you didnt increase your strength AT ALL you werent dieting/working out right. Well, had I made no progress I would agree with this statement, but I did make strength gains. However, these gains came in a way that would be consistent with proper dieting / exercise, so in good faith I cannot give any credit to 5aOHP.
I did see some limited increases in endurance (particularly with my last few workouts), and they were nice, but by no means mind blowing.
In terms of side effects I saw none. Blood pressure was the one thing that I thought could have been increased, but I retook it this morning (didnt let the stupid doctor do it) and it was 120/65, which is normal for me.
Oily skin was non-existent, testicular atrophy / shutdown was no where to be seen.
So, this one is short and sweet. What I saw was a decent weight gain (btw I was eating 2500 cals throughout the cycle, with 1 cheat/week) of +3lbs, and a slight increase in endurance.
Had I known what I know now, I would have run this for 45 days at 6ml/day instead of 30 days at 4ml/day. It seemed the good stuff was just coming when I was finishing up the run.
Well, knowing this now I obviously would not recommend a 30 day run of this. 35 days would be a minimum IMO. I dont blame the guys at taurus at all for this issue, as with a compound this new, there is a learning curve (think of halodrol requiring 2 bottles for a good run, same scenario). BUT, I do wish I had gone with my gut instinct and picked up another bottle to extend my run. I have a feeling I would have seen some good strength gains had I done so.
So, breaking this down for you guys, I'll provide Cliffs:
The Good:
-Low/No Sides
-No Need for SERM pct
-Good weight gain while running ~maintenance cals
-Slight increase to endurance
The Bad:
-Need 2 bottles for a very good run, ~80$ before discounts :\
-Little/No strength gains from compound
-Liquid dosing very inconvenient (I didnt really go into this, but it was a pain at times. sublingual dissolving tabs would have been much better. Although, for a liquid product, the taste was good => think syrup)
* I should clarify the no serm part . . . Im not using one for this 30 day run, but I probably would have for the longer run.
Big thanks to the bros at Taurus Nutrition for sending me a bottle to run. Hope this is helpful for someone out there.
-Andrew
http://anabolicminds.com/forum/supplement-reviews-logs/180777-andrew-lean-strong.html
1st off, before/after pics here (1st one before, 2nd after DUH):
(I didnt include a front double bi's because honestly I was too fed up with taking pictures with my phone that I just quit, lol)
edit: since I didnt have much for comparison with my arms, I did some measurements. Cold, flexed before / after
Before:
R/L - 14 7/8 in
After:
R/L - 15 in (+1/8 in)
nothing huge, but some progress indeed.
I want to apologize right off the bat because the camera I used was different for each set of pictures. Lighting/resolution/saturation makes a lot of difference.
That being said, I started at 159lbs and ended at 162lbs (this morning). A 3lb gain with seemingly no change in %bf is good news IMO. Strange thing is, I went into this log looking just for strength gains (and my workout regiment was more suited towards strength gains, although it did work hypertrophy quite a bit) but I ended up with more size than strength gain. So, good news there.
Now, I said I didnt have any strength gains. You might be thinking, well if you didnt increase your strength AT ALL you werent dieting/working out right. Well, had I made no progress I would agree with this statement, but I did make strength gains. However, these gains came in a way that would be consistent with proper dieting / exercise, so in good faith I cannot give any credit to 5aOHP.
I did see some limited increases in endurance (particularly with my last few workouts), and they were nice, but by no means mind blowing.
In terms of side effects I saw none. Blood pressure was the one thing that I thought could have been increased, but I retook it this morning (didnt let the stupid doctor do it) and it was 120/65, which is normal for me.
Oily skin was non-existent, testicular atrophy / shutdown was no where to be seen.
So, this one is short and sweet. What I saw was a decent weight gain (btw I was eating 2500 cals throughout the cycle, with 1 cheat/week) of +3lbs, and a slight increase in endurance.
Had I known what I know now, I would have run this for 45 days at 6ml/day instead of 30 days at 4ml/day. It seemed the good stuff was just coming when I was finishing up the run.
Well, knowing this now I obviously would not recommend a 30 day run of this. 35 days would be a minimum IMO. I dont blame the guys at taurus at all for this issue, as with a compound this new, there is a learning curve (think of halodrol requiring 2 bottles for a good run, same scenario). BUT, I do wish I had gone with my gut instinct and picked up another bottle to extend my run. I have a feeling I would have seen some good strength gains had I done so.
So, breaking this down for you guys, I'll provide Cliffs:
The Good:
-Low/No Sides
-No Need for SERM pct
-Good weight gain while running ~maintenance cals
-Slight increase to endurance
The Bad:
-Need 2 bottles for a very good run, ~80$ before discounts :\
-Little/No strength gains from compound
-Liquid dosing very inconvenient (I didnt really go into this, but it was a pain at times. sublingual dissolving tabs would have been much better. Although, for a liquid product, the taste was good => think syrup)
* I should clarify the no serm part . . . Im not using one for this 30 day run, but I probably would have for the longer run.
Big thanks to the bros at Taurus Nutrition for sending me a bottle to run. Hope this is helpful for someone out there.
-Andrew
