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    It has come to my attention that there may be some adverse side effects with Trenazone, such as gyno, high blood pressure, etc and that I may want to try it independently of Andromass before stacking it. What has everyone's experience been with Trenazone? Is there anything I can take with it concurrently to reduce the sides? Gyno sounds no bueno! That is one thing I did appreciate about Andromass is that I had very little side effects if any. I'm taking advantage of the Andromass 2-for-1 sale today and stocking up!
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    Quote Originally Posted by svida View Post
    It has come to my attention that there may be some adverse side effects with Trenazone, such as gyno, high blood pressure, etc and that I may want to try it independently of Andromass before stacking it. What has everyone's experience been with Trenazone? Is there anything I can take with it concurrently to reduce the sides? Gyno sounds no bueno! That is one thing I did appreciate about Andromass is that I had very little side effects if any. I'm taking advantage of the Andromass 2-for-1 sale today and stocking up!
    Here's the thing about tren and it's derivatives: high risk/high reward. Using an AI, celery seed, and lipid protection would be a necessity IMO.
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    Quote Originally Posted by svida View Post
    It has come to my attention that there may be some adverse side effects with Trenazone, such as gyno, high blood pressure, etc and that I may want to try it independently of Andromass before stacking it. What has everyone's experience been with Trenazone? Is there anything I can take with it concurrently to reduce the sides? Gyno sounds no bueno! That is one thing I did appreciate about Andromass is that I had very little side effects if any. I'm taking advantage of the Andromass 2-for-1 sale today and stocking up!
    I have seen elevated LFT's with Trenazone as well, and high LDL low HDL correlation. If you are worried about gyno then AH would be a perfect stack with it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ryansm View Post
    I have seen elevated LFT's with Trenazone as well, and high LDL low HDL correlation. If you are worried about gyno then AH would be a perfect stack with it.
    It would also help out the potential libido effects.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rodja View Post
    It would also help out the potential libido effects.
    Yep, one of tren's other little punishments.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HereToStudy

    Yep, one of tren's other little punishments.
    Agreed. Tren whacks my libido. Hard to argue against it's effectiveness but it comes at a price for most.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rahl View Post
    Agreed. Tren whacks my libido. Hard to argue against it's effectiveness but it comes at a price for most.
    I've actually heard the PHs/Designers for tren can be worse side-wise than trenbolone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigBlackGuy View Post
    I've actually heard the PHs/Designers for tren can be worse side-wise than trenbolone.
    Orals tend to have higher side effects than injectables.
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    Damn, tren almost doesnt sound worth it unless you have an extremely hard time gaining any muscle. Sounds better for most to just stick with Andromass and Androhard.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigBlackGuy View Post
    I've actually heard the PHs/Designers for tren can be worse side-wise than trenbolone.
    I think this is relative to dosage, although I have heard the same.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rulk22 View Post
    Damn, tren almost doesnt sound worth it unless you have an extremely hard time gaining any muscle. Sounds better for most to just stick with Andromass and Androhard.
    Tren is a high risk/high reward steroid. All of the really strong steroids come along with the risk of really strong side effects.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HereToStudy View Post
    I think this is relative to dosage, although I have heard the same.
    True but a lot of the "legal" DS out there have more severe sides than "traditional" AAS

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    Quote Originally Posted by ryansm View Post
    True but a lot of the "legal" DS out there have more severe sides than "traditional" AAS
    That's part of the reason they were never accepted by the mainstream community.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rodja View Post
    Tren is a high risk/high reward steroid. All of the really strong steroids come along with the risk of really strong side effects.
    Thats very true. It should be mentioned again that the Androseries is pretty amazing, yeilding excellent results with low sides.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ryansm View Post
    True but a lot of the "legal" DS out there have more severe sides than "traditional" AAS
    Yeah I wasn't arguing that. Just mentioning, particularly with tren, the high doses can lead to some serious sides as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HereToStudy View Post
    Yeah I wasn't arguing that. Just mentioning, particularly with tren, the high doses can lead to some serious sides as well.
    I'll never understand the "methyl mania" of the current market. Too many sides and can't be run long enough for quality LBM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rodja View Post
    I'll never understand the "methyl mania" of the current market. Too many sides and can't be run long enough for quality LBM.
    Eh I can't say much but probably because they are so readily available and cheap

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    Quote Originally Posted by ryansm View Post
    Eh I can't say much but probably because they are so readily available and cheap
    Sadly, it's the cost that most people focus on and not the additional risks of convenience.
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    wish andromass for 8 weeks had been my first cycle, sheet. i feel cheated.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jbryand101b View Post
    wish andromass for 8 weeks had been my first cycle, sheet. i feel cheated.
    My first cycle was the leftover stash of Avant's One+ that I bought the day NP became a sponsor here. That feels like soooo long ago. The scene is nothing like it was back then.
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    Epistane was my first... real epistane... 20 lbs. in 4 weeks, kept it all and kept gaining. God damn insane.
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    while we go back on memory road, my first cycle was Hdrol for 6 weeks... Made some impressive strength gains... Sadly I only kept my bench numbers. And due to over reaching for too long I pulled my lower back and both deadlifts and Squats have gone WAY down.... Working on moving those numbers up now. Regardless, I'll be saving all my allowance on buying the new androseries ;D
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    Post-PCT Update 9/2/11: I've been off of PCT for over 2 weeks now, still holding strength gains and about a net 8lb increase in weight. I'm getting ready to check my bloodwork. I did have my blood tested back in January during my annual physical, so I'm going to check it again along with Test & Estrogen levels, etc.

    Today was a great day in the gym! I've been off of all supplements for the last 2 weeks except for Toco-8 twice/day plus 250mg of caffeine pre-workout. My lifts have been pretty incredible still and today I pressed 130lb dumb bells for 6 reps, and felt fierce! It really makes me wonder if all that creatine, DMAA, beta alanine, arginine, and mass gainer shakes make a damn difference. In my opinion, high amounts of caffeine are the ticket to improve focus in the gym and sustain energy. Post workout, I've simply been taking in about 20oz of chocolate milk and then eating a huge meal shortly thereafter.

    I've done some research on Trenazone and have decided it's just too much of a damn risk with all the associated side effects. Anteus Labs website has no address nor telephone contact info and when I emailed their support link, they claim to be in Asia and do not have a phone number listed due to the time zone difference. I typically do NOT purchase Internet products when the vendor does not list a phone number. At least when I call Primordial Performance I can talk to someone almost every time (such as Matt Porter), and get a full explanation of the products.

    I have 2 bottles of AndroMass candy sitting on the table staring at me. I'm getting excited to run it solo again and get that amazing swell for weeks 3-6. That one month when the product is really effective is well worth the price in my opinion. I'm going to dose 3 caps morning and afternoon, and then 2 more caps at night for a total of 8 caps/day during the 6 weeks.

    Can anyone comment if the future AndroBulk product will be as safe as AndroMass? Will it be a Tren-like product? I really enjoyed not having too many negative sides with AndroMass and not losing any more hair! The only real sides I experienced was a loss of libido for a good portion of the cycle plus bad gas and bloating. Though...it was VERY cool to see how I looked bigger at 223lbs or so even with the water retention. I gives me something to shoot for



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    Also, would anyone recommend trying Dermacrine for a 6-week cycle instead of running another AndroMass cycle? Are there similar strength and muscle gains?
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    AndroBulk will be a 19-nor products, as far as Dermacrine and AM it could help if you experienced any lethargy. Glad you are holding on to gains bud.

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    Looks like your pct and cycle paid off.
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    Glad to hear everything was a success.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigBlackGuy View Post
    Epistane was my first... real epistane... 20 lbs. in 4 weeks, kept it all and kept gaining. God damn insane.
    Serious??? 20 legit lbs? You're bsing
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    Quote Originally Posted by ryansm View Post
    AndroBulk will be a 19-nor products
    When will production on this little gem be starting? I held off on AM but AB... That's a completely different story.
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    so you only used the PP stack for pct? no serm?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dvaldez5 View Post
    When will production on this little gem be starting? I held off on AM but AB... That's a completely different story.
    Maybe November

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    Quote Originally Posted by ryansm
    Maybe November
    and its going to be 19nor with 4-dhea?
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    Quote Originally Posted by bill86 View Post
    so you only used the PP stack for pct? no serm?
    Correct, I only used PP's TRS+TCF stack for 4 weeks of PCT.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dvaldez5 View Post
    and its going to be 19nor with 4-dhea?
    We will have more details closer to the launch

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    Quote Originally Posted by svida View Post
    Correct, I only used PP's TRS+TCF stack for 4 weeks of PCT.
    thats awesome... i had been wondering how that would work
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    Quote Originally Posted by bill86 View Post
    thats awesome... i had been wondering how that would work
    Lots of people using the TRS fro PCT with great results

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    Quote Originally Posted by ryansm View Post
    Lots of people using the TRS fro PCT with great results

    yeah, ive heard great things, i just hadnt heard TOO much about taking it without a serm....

    ive always wanted to try a PH, but have a) been worried about the sides (even mild ph's in the cases of some people i know) and b) dont want to have to order a serm (i know theres loop holes in the whole deal, but im in a position right now where i dont want to risk it and be the 1 guy that gets caught and in trouble over something as stupid as a pct for a damned cycle lol)..... these are the reasons PP products have piqued my interest... although, i guess theres still something just inherently weird to me about using a topical product, especially one that supposedly causes rashes if you use it in the same place for too long.

    but im definitely giving it strong consideration for next summer (when ive got more money, and the newer versions/products are out), and will most likely give androlean a try while trying to cut before summer (i heard it doesnt even require much of a pct at all)
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    Quote Originally Posted by bill86 View Post
    yeah, ive heard great things, i just hadnt heard TOO much about taking it without a serm....

    ive always wanted to try a PH, but have a) been worried about the sides (even mild ph's in the cases of some people i know) and b) dont want to have to order a serm (i know theres loop holes in the whole deal, but im in a position right now where i dont want to risk it and be the 1 guy that gets caught and in trouble over something as stupid as a pct for a damned cycle lol)..... these are the reasons PP products have piqued my interest... although, i guess theres still something just inherently weird to me about using a topical product, especially one that supposedly causes rashes if you use it in the same place for too long.

    but im definitely giving it strong consideration for next summer (when ive got more money, and the newer versions/products are out), and will most likely give androlean a try while trying to cut before summer (i heard it doesnt even require much of a pct at all)
    Ill be giving the topical version a try but I thought id mention that the TRS Liquavade version worked well for me as a natty stack. And I hear you about not wanting to go the research route right now.
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