AndroMass or AndroMyth? You decide...

[BigBlackGuy]

Great log btw

 

[Rodja]

Great log btw

Heavily agree.

 

[JD Intl]

Diarrhea has now gone away after about 6 days of TCF-1, and I'm still holding at 216lbs after 1 week of PCT. Out of curiosity, how long does it take for AndroMass to fully leave the body? I really haven't noticed too much in transition to PCT except strength is down just a bit. Also after a full month of PCT, what is the typical timeframe to begin another cycle safely? Would it be ok to try 8 caps/day? Also, I've increased my Toco-8 to twice daily to see if it helps a bit with hair regrowth these next few months.

Also, for my next cycle I'm going to cut out the weight gainer shakes completely and stick with my own homegrown shakes, plus only whole foods. No more shakes in a bottle or mix! I'm also going to eliminate the preworkout drink which has 300mg caffeine and 100mg DMAA, and just stick with Creatine+L-Arginine+Beta Alanine. I'm pretty sure too much of these stimulants are curbing my appetite for many hours after my workout. Maybe I'll just slam down a cup of black coffee instead! And lastly, I'm going to keep a more accurate food log to make damn sure I'm getting in the required nutrients! The most challenging part of this cycle for me has definitely been eating enough frequently throughout the day.

This was an outstanding log but I never seen a reply to Savida’s question on this post which I am curious about myself … After a full month of PCT, what is the typical timeframe to begin another cycle safely?

 

[Rodja]

This was an outstanding log but I never seen a reply to Savida’s question on this post which I am curious about myself … After a full month of PCT, what is the typical timeframe to begin another cycle safely?

The only way to truly know if you have fully recovered is with bloodwork.

 

[svida]

The only way to truly know if you have fully recovered is with bloodwork.

What exactly in the bloodwork will tell if I've fully recovered? I also thought I read that after 4 weeks of PCT, another 4 weeks off is recommended before starting another cycle.

I'm on day 14 of PCT and I still feel pretty damn good with the TRS/TCF/Toco-8 stack. My strength is still up and my final gains roughly have been about a 50lb increase in bench press, 100lb increase in squats, 20lb increase in dumbbell curl, and increased reps in all exercises. Just today I set a new PR with 130lb dumbbell presses, which was formerly 120lb dumbbell presses. I thought that was pretty cool to keep my strength up during PCT so far! I've maintained my 10lb body weight increase still at 216lbs and have had a surprisingly decent pump each workout using TRS/TCF. My libido has been severely low this past week and I've had a bit more acne and oily skin. I've noticed my testicles have been pretty damn large too during PCT! I'm already looking forward to running AndroMass again and revisiting that 24/7 pump that was SICK!

Once again, I'd like to ask if I can run AndroMass next time at 8 caps/day for 6 weeks, or if anyone has a recommendation of a good stack besides AndroHard. Maybe a PP rep can PM me and tell me to wait for the next gen of AndoSeries products

 

[mdpwrlifter]

Blood work should tell your cholesterol levels and such...if I'm not mistaken..

 

[ryansm]

What exactly in the bloodwork will tell if I've fully recovered? I also thought I read that after 4 weeks of PCT, another 4 weeks off is recommended before starting another cycle.

I'm on day 14 of PCT and I still feel pretty damn good with the TRS/TCF/Toco-8 stack. My strength is still up and my final gains roughly have been about a 50lb increase in bench press, 100lb increase in squats, 20lb increase in dumbbell curl, and increased reps in all exercises. Just today I set a new PR with 130lb dumbbell presses, which was formerly 120lb dumbbell presses. I thought that was pretty cool to keep my strength up during PCT so far! I've maintained my 10lb body weight increase still at 216lbs and have had a surprisingly decent pump each workout using TRS/TCF. My libido has been severely low this past week and I've had a bit more acne and oily skin. I've noticed my testicles have been pretty damn large too during PCT! I'm already looking forward to running AndroMass again and revisiting that 24/7 pump that was SICK!

Once again, I'd like to ask if I can run AndroMass next time at 8 caps/day for 6 weeks, or if anyone has a recommendation of a good stack besides AndroHard. Maybe a PP rep can PM me and tell me to wait for the next gen of AndoSeries products

For recovery you are going to want to compare with previous blood work, LH, FSH, Total testosterone, estrogen etc..

 

[HereToStudy]

For recovery you are going to want to compare with previous blood work, LH, FSH, Total testosterone, estrogen etc..

Exactly. You can be in range, but not where you were pre-cycle.

 

[Rodja]

It's not just one number that you look for in post-cycle bloods. It's the overall picture that you need to have to know whether or not you are truly recovered.

 

[ryansm]

It's not just one number that you look for in post-cycle bloods. It's the overall picture that you need to have to know whether or not you are truly recovered.

Which is why pre cycle blood work is important

 

[bill86]

man, ive been wondering how andromass would work with the trs pct and no serm... blood pressure kind of scared me though, thats a pretty big increase, and mine is always 125-135 to BEGIN with (and i take hawthorne berry!)

with regard to diarrhea, im on supertest week 4 right now and i had it beginning week 2 and havent had a REALLY solid **** since... what causes that? should i be worried?

 

[BigBlackGuy]

man, ive been wondering how andromass would work with the trs pct and no serm... blood pressure kind of scared me though, thats a pretty big increase, and mine is always 125-135 to BEGIN with (and i take hawthorne berry!)

with regard to diarrhea, im on supertest week 4 right now and i had it beginning week 2 and havent had a REALLY solid **** since... what causes that? should i be worried?

It doesn't look like anything in the product is dangerous, it even provides mild liver/kidney and other healthful support. No idea why it would cause that.

The BP with andromass can be controlled with hawthorne berry (first two weeks will be an increase in BP though), aged garlic extract, minoxidil or, per Rodja's suggestion, a small dose of cialis.

 

[rulk22]

man, ive been wondering how andromass would work with the trs pct and no serm... blood pressure kind of scared me though, thats a pretty big increase, and mine is always 125-135 to BEGIN with (and i take hawthorne berry!)

with regard to diarrhea, im on supertest week 4 right now and i had it beginning week 2 and havent had a REALLY solid **** since... what causes that? should i be worried?

Your body could be utilising food better or its upsetting your digestion process. Hows your water intake, the same?

 

[svida]

Day 20 of PCT and I'm still holding steady at +10lb gain, which is 216lbs. A few days ago I ran out of TCF, when the remaining part of the product solidified at the bottom of the bottle. I tried placing the bottle in both hot and warm water with no luck at breaking apart the sludge that remained. I called Primordial's customer service line and they shipped me out a replacement bottle the same day! I was also happy to hear that a new and improved Andromass v3.0 is in the works!

Libido is still a bit shaky during PCT and I felt like it was coming back before my TCF ran out. Overall my strength gains are holding steady and today I tested my bench press again and I'm still pushing 325lbs for a few reps, so I'm a very satisfied customer with these results. I've also tapered off my strong pre-workout drinks and creatine, and I'm finding that I still have the same level of energy and pump in the gym without them. Gaining 5+lbs of muscle on this cycle has been the ticket

I'm planning on checking my bloodwork a few weeks after I end PCT later this month. My next cycle I'm thinking about 6 weeks of Trenazone with Andromass.

 

[bill86]

sorry, i dont mean to hijack your thread.... this is an awesome log.

but yeah, my water intake has been the same. my... well, bowels, have seemed to have solidified, haha. ive read that milk thistle can do this, and although the dosage of mt in the supertest is low, ive never taken it in any amount before, so maybe that caused it. there still seems to be more bile in them though.

 

[HereToStudy]

I'm planning on checking my bloodwork a few weeks after I end PCT later this month. My next cycle I'm thinking about 6 weeks of Trenazone with Andromass.

NICE!

 

[Rodja]

Day 20 of PCT and I'm still holding steady at +10lb gain, which is 216lbs. A few days ago I ran out of TCF, when the remaining part of the product solidified at the bottom of the bottle. I tried placing the bottle in both hot and warm water with no luck at breaking apart the sludge that remained. I called Primordial's customer service line and they shipped me out a replacement bottle the same day! I was also happy to hear that a new and improved Andromass v3.0 is in the works!

Libido is still a bit shaky during PCT and I felt like it was coming back before my TCF ran out. Overall my strength gains are holding steady and today I tested my bench press again and I'm still pushing 325lbs for a few reps, so I'm a very satisfied customer with these results. I've also tapered off my strong pre-workout drinks and creatine, and I'm finding that I still have the same level of energy and pump in the gym without them. Gaining 5+lbs of muscle on this cycle has been the ticket

I'm planning on checking my bloodwork a few weeks after I end PCT later this month. My next cycle I'm thinking about 6 weeks of Trenazone with Andromass.

v3 is going to be awesome for everyone. Some tweaks to address some of the issues that have arisen from the first 2 versions.

 

[mdpwrlifter]

Nice log. Very informative too.

 

[HereToStudy]

v3 is going to be awesome for everyone. Some tweaks to address some of the issues that have arisen from the first 2 versions.

Very much looking forward to this.

 

[Rodja]

Very much looking forward to this.

We can't sit back and rest on our laurels.

 

[HereToStudy]

We can't sit back and rest on our laurels.

opcorn:

 

[BigBlackGuy]

v3 is going to be awesome for everyone. Some tweaks to address some of the issues that have arisen from the first 2 versions.

x8. I really can't wait.

 

[svida]

It has come to my attention that there may be some adverse side effects with Trenazone, such as gyno, high blood pressure, etc and that I may want to try it independently of Andromass before stacking it. What has everyone's experience been with Trenazone? Is there anything I can take with it concurrently to reduce the sides? Gyno sounds no bueno! That is one thing I did appreciate about Andromass is that I had very little side effects if any. I'm taking advantage of the Andromass 2-for-1 sale today and stocking up!

 

[Rodja]

It has come to my attention that there may be some adverse side effects with Trenazone, such as gyno, high blood pressure, etc and that I may want to try it independently of Andromass before stacking it. What has everyone's experience been with Trenazone? Is there anything I can take with it concurrently to reduce the sides? Gyno sounds no bueno! That is one thing I did appreciate about Andromass is that I had very little side effects if any. I'm taking advantage of the Andromass 2-for-1 sale today and stocking up!

Here's the thing about tren and it's derivatives: high risk/high reward. Using an AI, celery seed, and lipid protection would be a necessity IMO.

 

[ryansm]

It has come to my attention that there may be some adverse side effects with Trenazone, such as gyno, high blood pressure, etc and that I may want to try it independently of Andromass before stacking it. What has everyone's experience been with Trenazone? Is there anything I can take with it concurrently to reduce the sides? Gyno sounds no bueno! That is one thing I did appreciate about Andromass is that I had very little side effects if any. I'm taking advantage of the Andromass 2-for-1 sale today and stocking up!

I have seen elevated LFT's with Trenazone as well, and high LDL low HDL correlation. If you are worried about gyno then AH would be a perfect stack with it.

 

[Rodja]

I have seen elevated LFT's with Trenazone as well, and high LDL low HDL correlation. If you are worried about gyno then AH would be a perfect stack with it.

It would also help out the potential libido effects.

 

[HereToStudy]

It would also help out the potential libido effects.

Yep, one of tren's other little punishments.

 

[Rahl]

Yep, one of tren's other little punishments.

Agreed. Tren whacks my libido. Hard to argue against it's effectiveness but it comes at a price for most.

 

[BigBlackGuy]

Agreed. Tren whacks my libido. Hard to argue against it's effectiveness but it comes at a price for most.

I've actually heard the PHs/Designers for tren can be worse side-wise than trenbolone.

 

[Rodja]

I've actually heard the PHs/Designers for tren can be worse side-wise than trenbolone.

Orals tend to have higher side effects than injectables.

 

[rulk22]

Damn, tren almost doesnt sound worth it unless you have an extremely hard time gaining any muscle. Sounds better for most to just stick with Andromass and Androhard.

 

[HereToStudy]

I've actually heard the PHs/Designers for tren can be worse side-wise than trenbolone.

I think this is relative to dosage, although I have heard the same.

 

[Rodja]

Damn, tren almost doesnt sound worth it unless you have an extremely hard time gaining any muscle. Sounds better for most to just stick with Andromass and Androhard.

Tren is a high risk/high reward steroid. All of the really strong steroids come along with the risk of really strong side effects.

 

[ryansm]

I think this is relative to dosage, although I have heard the same.

True but a lot of the "legal" DS out there have more severe sides than "traditional" AAS

 

[Rodja]

True but a lot of the "legal" DS out there have more severe sides than "traditional" AAS

That's part of the reason they were never accepted by the mainstream community.

 

[rulk22]

Tren is a high risk/high reward steroid. All of the really strong steroids come along with the risk of really strong side effects.

Thats very true. It should be mentioned again that the Androseries is pretty amazing, yeilding excellent results with low sides.

 

[HereToStudy]

True but a lot of the "legal" DS out there have more severe sides than "traditional" AAS

Yeah I wasn't arguing that. Just mentioning, particularly with tren, the high doses can lead to some serious sides as well.

 

[Rodja]

Yeah I wasn't arguing that. Just mentioning, particularly with tren, the high doses can lead to some serious sides as well.

I'll never understand the "methyl mania" of the current market. Too many sides and can't be run long enough for quality LBM.

 

[ryansm]

I'll never understand the "methyl mania" of the current market. Too many sides and can't be run long enough for quality LBM.

Eh I can't say much but probably because they are so readily available and cheap

 

[Rodja]

Eh I can't say much but probably because they are so readily available and cheap

Sadly, it's the cost that most people focus on and not the additional risks of convenience.

 

[jbryand101b]

wish andromass for 8 weeks had been my first cycle, sheet. i feel cheated.

 

[Rodja]

wish andromass for 8 weeks had been my first cycle, sheet. i feel cheated.

My first cycle was the leftover stash of Avant's One+ that I bought the day NP became a sponsor here. That feels like soooo long ago. The scene is nothing like it was back then.

 

[BigBlackGuy]

Epistane was my first... real epistane... 20 lbs. in 4 weeks, kept it all and kept gaining. God damn insane.

 

[mattrag]

while we go back on memory road, my first cycle was Hdrol for 6 weeks... Made some impressive strength gains... Sadly I only kept my bench numbers. And due to over reaching for too long I pulled my lower back and both deadlifts and Squats have gone WAY down.... Working on moving those numbers up now. Regardless, I'll be saving all my allowance on buying the new androseries ;D

 

[svida]

Post-PCT Update 9/2/11: I've been off of PCT for over 2 weeks now, still holding strength gains and about a net 8lb increase in weight. I'm getting ready to check my bloodwork. I did have my blood tested back in January during my annual physical, so I'm going to check it again along with Test & Estrogen levels, etc.

Today was a great day in the gym! I've been off of all supplements for the last 2 weeks except for Toco-8 twice/day plus 250mg of caffeine pre-workout. My lifts have been pretty incredible still and today I pressed 130lb dumb bells for 6 reps, and felt fierce! It really makes me wonder if all that creatine, DMAA, beta alanine, arginine, and mass gainer shakes make a damn difference. In my opinion, high amounts of caffeine are the ticket to improve focus in the gym and sustain energy. Post workout, I've simply been taking in about 20oz of chocolate milk and then eating a huge meal shortly thereafter.

I've done some research on Trenazone and have decided it's just too much of a damn risk with all the associated side effects. Anteus Labs website has no address nor telephone contact info and when I emailed their support link, they claim to be in Asia and do not have a phone number listed due to the time zone difference. I typically do NOT purchase Internet products when the vendor does not list a phone number. At least when I call Primordial Performance I can talk to someone almost every time (such as Matt Porter), and get a full explanation of the products.

I have 2 bottles of AndroMass candy sitting on the table staring at me. I'm getting excited to run it solo again and get that amazing swell for weeks 3-6. That one month when the product is really effective is well worth the price in my opinion. I'm going to dose 3 caps morning and afternoon, and then 2 more caps at night for a total of 8 caps/day during the 6 weeks.

Can anyone comment if the future AndroBulk product will be as safe as AndroMass? Will it be a Tren-like product? I really enjoyed not having too many negative sides with AndroMass and not losing any more hair! The only real sides I experienced was a loss of libido for a good portion of the cycle plus bad gas and bloating. Though...it was VERY cool to see how I looked bigger at 223lbs or so even with the water retention. I gives me something to shoot for

 

[svida]

Also, would anyone recommend trying Dermacrine for a 6-week cycle instead of running another AndroMass cycle? Are there similar strength and muscle gains?

 

[ryansm]

AndroBulk will be a 19-nor products, as far as Dermacrine and AM it could help if you experienced any lethargy. Glad you are holding on to gains bud.

 

[mattrag]

Looks like your pct and cycle paid off.

 

[HereToStudy]

Glad to hear everything was a success.

 

[Spaniard]

Epistane was my first... real epistane... 20 lbs. in 4 weeks, kept it all and kept gaining. God damn insane.

Serious??? 20 legit lbs? You're bsing