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    Quote Originally Posted by Mulletsoldier View Post
    Haha, yes. Sorry Volcom: more complexity, less absurdity.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TexasLifter89 View Post
    I just finished it and loved it A bottle of DTH 120 tab, 5 tabs a day was my sweet spot.
    There ya go. I've read more posts like this regarding DTH, then one's like mine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by VolcomX311 View Post
    There ya go. I've read more posts like this regarding DTH, then one's like mine.
    I read all the great posts as well....that was why I tried it. It didn't prove out. Oh well....move on to other supplements. Hell, that's where the fun is anyway... the anticipation.
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    Resolve/Dragonfly'ish'esque Style


    Chest

    Flat Bench
    225lbs x 12 reps
    275lbs x 10 reps [This was about avg when I "started" on flat, during my last PRIME cycle]
    275lbs x 8 reps
    275lbs x 6 reps [I normally would have stopped here at 315lbs for 4-5 reps]
    275lbs x 5 reps [trying something new & pushing the limits]
    275lbs x 5 reps

    Incline Bench
    185lbs x 10 reps
    205lbs x 8 reps
    225lbs x 7 reps
    225lbs x 6 reps
    225lbs x 5 reps

    Hammer Dips
    180lbs x 10 reps
    230lbs x 8 reps
    230lbs x 7 reps [Threw up real quick ]
    230lbs x 6 reps
    230lbs x 5 reps

    Close Grip Bench
    135lbs x 15 reps
    155lbs x 8 reps
    155lbs x 7 reps
    155lbs x 7 reps

    I felt like taking a more voluminous approach to my high intensity weight. My right spinae erector is giving me problems, so that discouraged my core/compound premise that I've been working with. When all else fails, we tend to reset to our default settings and for me, that's more traditional bodybuilding. As I contemplated a possible full-on transition back to my more traditional routine, I thought, "I've done the 3 sets, pyramid thing with PRIME before, but that's very been there done that and I'm much more curious about something new, rather then revisiting that same road (as successful as it was)."

    Resolve's psychotic 7 set routine always makes me scratch my head in intrigue and Dragonfly has been averaging 5-6 working sets as well. Only Resolve doesn't pyramid to the same extent as DF (if my memory serves me correctly), so I was spontaneously inspired to do a bit of both.

    I know that on the flat bench, 275lbs is a limit where adding just 20lbs more (dimes on each side), completely devastates my rep range, so I kept it at 275lbs, with the idea that I'll just keep going until I can't exceed 5 reps.

    I knew that on the incline, I'm not as strong, but the 185 was too easy, so I pyramided until I found a weight that I felt drew the most out of me, without it being too heavy for a decent reps count, and again, I'd just keep going until I can't exceed 5 reps.

    It's just a trial hybrid of high intensity and high volume, and it's no revolutionary idea, nor do I feel it's especially advantageous, I'm just looking for a new way to travel to the same State, but a different part of the City.

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    keep it up brotha that's a lot of sets.
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    Good #'s on bench brah! Keep it up
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    Quote Originally Posted by TexasLifter89 View Post
    I just finished it and loved it A bottle of DTH 120 tab, 5 tabs a day was my sweet spot.
    Good to hear... I'll run a similar dosage, I have 2 bottles of the older version don't know how many tabs. It's a bit of a let down when not on Prime... looking for something to keep me going when not Priming.
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    I'm still trying out my newly, Resolve & Dragonfly inspired routine; Uncharacteristically high number of sets for high intensity lifts, while maintaining some aspects of pyramiding.

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    Behind The Neck Pull Ups (Body weight)
    x 10 reps
    x 8 reps
    x 7 reps
    x 6 reps
    x 6 reps
    x 5 reps

    Neutral Grip Pull Ups (BW)
    x 8 reps
    x 7 reps
    x 6 reps
    x 5 reps

    Behind The Neck, Hammer Lat Pull Downs
    180lbs x 10 reps
    200lbs x 8 reps
    200lbs x 6 reps
    200lbs x 5 reps

    Lat Pull Downs
    190lbs x 10 reps
    210lbs x 8 reps
    230lbs x 6 reps
    250lbs x 5 reps

    My workout felt a bit underwhelming this morning, but I sort of expected it. Early morning, pre-work, workouts don't normally turn out well unless I'm on jet-fuel stims, which I'm not. I'm on SX by Anabolic Xtreme, but that's more of a low level, all day sustained stim, not the get you out of bed from 0-60 stims.

    I'm definitely a post-work, workout type of guy, but no worries. I intend on hitting a second session later, delts & traps, so I may have a chance to make up for my underwhelming morning. Truth be told, I'm not so sure that my workout was so much generally lame in terms of numbers, as it was that I felt that I simply lacked intensity, but again, I'm certain that had everything to do with lifting in an early morning, zombie state.

    PRIME/T-911
    The three most notable aspects I've noticed on this stack, was:

    1. Increased Strength (self explanatory)

    2. Increased Muscle Endurance/Stamina: I've noticed that toward the end of my workouts, though I may be suffering from a general sense of fatigue, I find that I can still push with an almost fresh intensity when the rubber meets the road and I begin the next set. I find that I can still push very heavy toward the end of my workouts lately.

    3. Increased Recovery (self explanatory)

    One side benefit I've enjoyed from running PRIME & T-911, is that on my PRIME "off" days, I'm still on SOMETHING. I've only been able to do a 5 ON, 1 OFF schedule with PRIME. I'm hoping to do a 7 days a week dosing schedule, but we'll see if certain things work out.

    P.S. I'm not very sore from yesterday's chest devastation and I SHOULD be, if for no other reason then it was a new routine and my muscles should be shocked. I took those heavy sets two to three times deeper then I normally do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrBigPR View Post
    You still like everything from the back I see
    and I like behind the neck pull ups, SHABOINGA!!!
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    Actually, those behind the neck pull ups are a bit of a Rocky Balboa effect. I think I recall seeing him doing behind the neck pull ups when I was young and I wanted to do them, too, but I've always been too heavy to be able to do regular pull ups, let alone Balboa Pull Ups. It wasn't until just recently, following my cut about 2-3 months ago, that I started to be able to effectively do pull ups. I tried a Balboa Pull Up one day, when I cut down to around 195lbs and what the hell, I was able to do them, so I've been making up for lost time.

    I weigh 198lbs, clearly I can do lat pull downs well beyond my body weight, but pull ups are still the most challenging, so I really feel that they are especially effective.

    Apart from that, I have always preferred behind the neck shrugs and behind the neck Military's.
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    Did I ever tell you about the Crucifix Pulldowns, Volcom? The one where you lay flat on the lat tower, and pull down in front of you?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mulletsoldier View Post
    Did I ever tell you about the Crucifix Pulldowns, Volcom? The one where you lay flat on the lat tower, and pull down in front of you?
    I've heard you mention this before... You're laying back, while seated on the pulldown chair? Would the cable then be at a 45(ish) degree angle?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mulletsoldier View Post
    Did I ever tell you about the Crucifix Pulldowns, Volcom? The one where you lay flat on the lat tower, and pull down in front of you?
    I don't believe so, could you provide a more detailed description por favor? I'm all ears to all things lats.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TimberLakers View Post
    I've heard you mention this before... You're laying back, while seated on the pulldown chair? Would the cable then be at a 45(ish) degree angle?
    Quote Originally Posted by VolcomX311 View Post
    I don't believe so, could you provide a more detailed description por favor? I'm all ears to all things lats.
    Essentially, it is like a laying down lat pulldown. At the top of the eccentric motion, you look like you are being crucified; hence, Crucifix Lat Pulldowns.

    This is the set up: take the leg holders, and set them at around middle position. Once you have that setup, grip the bar and pull the cable out, and rest your pelvis on the leg holders, and your feet straight back behind you. So, at the start of the lift, your hands are in the air, gripping the bar at the widest position, and your body is lying completely flat, with pelvis on the leg holders, and legs completely straight. (Picture a horizontal crucifixion.) On the concentric, I alternate between pulling behind the neck, and in front of the face, as it concentrates on different muscle groups.

    I usually pair these with rope pulldowns, on a 3 set super-set: 15 reps each set, 4 second eccentric, 2 second concentric, 2 second pause.
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    Quote Originally Posted by VolcomX311 View Post
    Actually, those behind the neck pull ups are a bit of a Rocky Balboa effect. I think I recall seeing him doing behind the neck pull ups when I was young and I wanted to do them, too, but I've always been too heavy to be able to do regular pull ups, let alone Balboa Pull Ups. It wasn't until just recently, following my cut about 2-3 months ago, that I started to be able to effectively do pull ups. I tried a Balboa Pull Up one day, when I cut down to around 195lbs and what the hell, I was able to do them, so I've been making up for lost time.

    I weigh 198lbs, clearly I can do lat pull downs well beyond my body weight, but pull ups are still the most challenging, so I really feel that they are especially effective.

    Apart from that, I have always preferred behind the neck shrugs and behind the neck Military's.
    You could try "clap" pullups as well. Explode up, clap hands in mid air and grab hold the bar immediatley after, let yourself down. I cant do them anymore at my gym now, as they do not have a straight pull up bar but some flimsy angled bar, which is harder to actually grab hold of. I think these gave me pretty much most of the lats I am rocking now. Plus they make regular pull ups so much easier down the road, by giving you alot more explosive strength at the bottom of the rep.
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    Quote Originally Posted by brk_nemesis View Post
    You could try "clap" pullups as well. Explode up, clap hands in mid air and grab hold the bar immediatley after, let yourself down. I cant do them anymore at my gym now, as they do not have a straight pull up bar but some flimsy angled bar, which is harder to actually grab hold of. I think these gave me pretty much most of the lats I am rocking now. Plus they make regular pull ups so much easier down the road, by giving you alot more explosive strength at the bottom of the rep.
    Holy sh*t. Those sound intense!
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    Quote Originally Posted by TimberLakers View Post
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    Did that explanation make sense?
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    Quote Originally Posted by SilentBob187 View Post
    Holy sh*t. Those sound intense!
    lol, yea they are. You overload the lats by using some body English at the bottom, which allows you to go higher, (so you can clap and have enough time to grab a hold of the bar on the way down). I think it really shocks them in a different way, and is the main reason I can do pullups all day long......and I aint no lightweight, lol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mulletsoldier View Post
    Essentially, it is like a laying down lat pulldown. At the top of the eccentric motion, you look like you are being crucified; hence, Crucifix Lat Pulldowns.

    This is the set up: take the leg holders, and set them at around middle position. Once you have that setup, grip the bar and pull the cable out, and rest your pelvis on the leg holders, and your feet straight back behind you. So, at the start of the lift, your hands are in the air, gripping the bar at the widest position, and your body is lying completely flat, with pelvis on the leg holders, and legs completely straight. (Picture a horizontal crucifixion.) On the concentric, I alternate between pulling behind the neck, and in front of the face, as it concentrates on different muscle groups.

    I usually pair these with rope pulldowns, on a 3 set super-set: 15 reps each set, 4 second eccentric, 2 second concentric, 2 second pause.
    Ah, gotcha, thanks for the details. I always like trying news ways to stimulate the muscle. I "used" to do something to the same effect, but a different way.

    Essentially, I'd lay down on a decline bench, usually the free decline bench. The one's where you'd find near the Db's. Take the EZ Bar and a very wide grip, where the hands are just at the end of the bar, behind the weights.

    Lay back on the decline bench, the starting position would look like a wide grip bench press, but you'd bring the bar back and end with your arms stretched above your head (which requires crazy eccentric control)... lather, rinse, repeat.
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    Quote Originally Posted by brk_nemesis View Post
    You could try "clap" pullups as well. Explode up, clap hands in mid air and grab hold the bar immediatley after, let yourself down. I cant do them anymore at my gym now, as they do not have a straight pull up bar but some flimsy angled bar, which is harder to actually grab hold of. I think these gave me pretty much most of the lats I am rocking now. Plus they make regular pull ups so much easier down the road, by giving you alot more explosive strength at the bottom of the rep.
    I don't think I'm light enough to be able to do clap pull ups. I'm still hyped just to be able to do regular pull ups at the moment, but they looked pretty crazy.
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    Today's 2nd Workout


    Delts

    Behind The Neck Military Press
    135lbs x 10 reps
    155lbs x 8 reps
    155lbs x 6 reps
    155lbs x 6 reps
    155lbs x 5 reps

    Hammer Shoulder Press
    180lbs x 10 reps
    230lbs x 10 reps
    230lbs x 7 reps
    230lbs x 7 reps
    230lbs x 5 reps

    Db Lateral Raises
    40lbs Db's x 10 reps
    40lbs Db's x 9 reps
    40lbs Db's x 8 reps

    Bent Over Db Lateral Raises
    40lbs Db's x 10 reps
    45lbs Db's x 8 reps
    50lbs Db's x 8 reps
    55lbs Db's x 6 reps

    Upright Rows
    95lbs x 10 reps
    115lbs x 7 reps
    115lbs x 6 reps
    115lbs x 6 reps
    115lbs x 5 reps

    I kind of feel like crap. I probably shouldn't have done a double-workout on my third consistent day. It's not that working out three days in a row is anything extraordinary, its not uncommon for me to do five, six days in a row, but it's the fact I'm doing it on PRIME, and PRIME allows me to exert more then what I am normally able to, both in weights used and total volume. Therefore, I assume my body needs more rest then usual.

    I didn't get this feeling on T-911, but I was also doing an every other day workout schedule, so recovery was never an issue.

    Either way, it's all good. I sort of like the feeling that I've thrashed myself, I just need to ensure that I take a rest day tomorrow. I get OCD about working out when I'm making some form of progression somewhere in my workout with each session (via supplements), so I need to take a break tomorrow.

    All in all, I'm enjoying myself.
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    Prime is giving you THAT much endurance and recovery?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrBigPR View Post
    Prime is giving you THAT much endurance and recovery?

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    The endurance portion can also be effected by a placebo effect of enthusiasm, but not solely placebo. I could still be enthused, but too gassed to perform ya know, but in reality, I am closing out my workouts really strong and I wouldn't know how to fake that.

    I've noted improved recovery, but I don't think I've really made that much of a hoopla about the recovery portion... have I?
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    Quote Originally Posted by SilentBob187 View Post
    Wow, just wow.
    Don't be too impressed, I'm fudging my numbers... DAMN! this was suppose to be a PM!
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    The endurance portion can also be effected by a placebo effect of enthusiasm, but not solely placebo. I could still be enthused, but too gassed to perform ya know, but in reality, I am closing out my workouts really strong and I wouldn't know how to fake that.
    That's what she said, OH!

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