Nice workout man! Sucks you had to hurt yourself like that. Prime is the shiz if you respond well to it.

You know you've taken a proper amount of time off stims when day one of being back on does this to you. I took one SX this morning and by the end of the day, I was still quite energetic.

Chest

Weighted Dips
BW + 45lbs x 10 reps
BW + 90lbs x 8 reps
BW + 90lbs x 6 reps
BW + 90lbs x 5 reps
BW + 70lbs x 8 reps
BW + 70lbs x 7 reps
BW + 70lbs x 6 reps
BW + 45lbs x 8 reps

Hammer Dips - Gironda Grip
180lbs x 10 reps
200lbs x 8 reps
220lbs x 6 reps
220lbs x 6 reps

Flat Bench
225lbs x 8 reps
225lbs x 6 reps
225lbs x 6 reps

Incline Hammer Press
140lbs x 10 reps
190lbs x 10 reps
240lbs x 6 reps
240lbs x 5 reps

Machine, Decline Press
150lbs x 10 reps
160lbs x 8 reps
180lbs x 6 reps

Cable Flies x 4 sets

I'm kind of curious about comparing the 800mg PRIME vs the old PRIME and see if I experience any notable differences. I still plan on taking 6 caps a day of the New Prime, as I did with the old PRIME I was just on. I'm looking forward to its arrival!

Originally Posted by metroba

Nice workout man! Sucks you had to hurt yourself like that. Prime is the shiz if you respond well to it.

The "IF" in my case is outrageously positive.

Hellz to tha yes. My new PRIME just came in; 150 caps, 800mg. Previously, while running the old PRIME, I was dosing 6 caps a day@3,600mg a day. I'll be dosing 6 caps a day with my new PRIME@4,800mg a day. Keep it gangster.

Nasss!!

The only other strength promoting supplements I've ever used were Junglewarfare (three times), 3-AD (once), DTH & DTHC (three-four), Blue GENE (one), PRIME (twice previously, this will be the third.)

Pros & Cons, Compare & Contrast in my experience.

JW (solo):
- Takes about 10 days to fully kick in.
- Good strength boosts for about 14 days, however, the heavy lethargy that sets in can off-set the increased strength boost. If the energy isn't there to exploit the strength boost, then that's-that.
- Makes me depressed and unmotivated about lifting once I'm off.
- I had to spend money on light PCT for safe keeping; (Drive, RPM, X-Force).

Memorable PR's: Flat Bench, 295lbs x 8 reps

3-AD (+ MassFX)
- Took about 7 days to fully kick in.
- Awesome muscle endurance boost, more so then strength, but strength as well. However, it follows the same lethargic trap & circumstance as JW did and the post cycle depression/apathy lasted about a month.
- I had to spend a grip on AX PCT, because AX prices don't play.
- My PCT was: (MassFX, LeanFX, HyperdolX2, aPCT, Stoked, X-force)

Memorable PR's: Flat Bench, 225lbs x 23 reps and Dead Lifts 495lbs x 2 reps

DTH/DTHC
- Gave me week one aggression.
- That's about all it gave me....

Memorable PR's: Violent fantasies of beating in another member with a 25lbs plate.

Blue GENE
- Greater muscle endurance, then strength, but strength was prevalent.
- Heavy, heavy lethargy toward the last 5 days, almost unbearable.
- No post cycle burn out, and no PCT required.

Memorable PR's: 125lbs Db's x 10 reps, 100lbs Db's x 22 reps.

PRIME
- Acute onset of strength, giving me more working ON days.
- Notable strength increase and increased muscle endurance, but more so strength.
- 1st run with PRIME gave me lethargy (which was a mystery to all, because it shouldn't have; potential over-training).
- 2nd most previous run did not give me lethargy. Though fatigue did set in if I did not take appropriate rest days, as in no lifting 5 days in a row.
- No post cycle depression or apathy.
- No light PCT required.

Memorable PR's: Flat Bench 315lbs x 7 reps

The only thing these supplements had in common and this effect seems exclusive to me, is that my strength declines rather quickly after the main run. Even those cycles where I had PCT (and very extensive PCT), my strength was still shot.

Originally Posted by metroba

Nasss!!

Nice write up man..very detailed. Prime is king

I wasn't suppose to workout today and I definitely wasn't suppose to work my delts, but my only other options were to rest or hit legs. Considering my low back is still a tad blown from saving the incline bencher the other day, I had to do SOMETHING. I started off deciding I'd just hit traps, but once my shoulder region was warmed up, I had no choice.

Delts.

Behind The Neck Shrugs
225lbs x 10 reps
275lbs x 8 reps
315lbs x 8 reps
365lbs x 6 reps
365lbs x 6 reps

Hammer Seated Shrugs
270lbs x 10 reps, x 8 reps, x 8 reps

Machine, Behind The Neck Shoulder Press
135lbs x 10 reps
150lbs x 10 reps
185lbs x 8 reps
200lbs x 8 reps
215lbs x 6 reps
215lbs x 5 reps

Barbell Upright Rows
95lbs x 10 reps
115lbs x 8 reps
115lbs x 6 reps

Seated Db Lateral Raises (full elbow extension)
25lbs Db's x 10 reps
30lbs Db's x 10 reps, x 8 reps, x 8 reps, x 6 reps

??????

Hammer Preacher Curls
100lbs x 15 reps
110lbs x 10 reps
120lbs x 10 reps
130lbs x 8 reps
140lbs x 8 reps
150lbs x 6 reps
160lbs x 5 reps
Drop-Set, 140lbs x 6 reps - 120lbs x 6 reps - 100lbs x 5 reps

That was a bit random, but I had too much energy left over and I knew I didn't want to push my delts or traps any further. I just strained my traps 2 weeks ago and my delts were still sore from yesterday's chest day (which was why I initially did not want to hit my delts). I knew I wasn't going to workout tomorrow, so I figured I'd make the best.

Today wasn't a normal shoulders days for me, so I couldn't really note any positive strength effects, but I am looking forward to my next weighted dip session and weighted pull ups/Back day.

Originally Posted by VolcomX311

I wasn't suppose to workout today and I definitely wasn't suppose to work my delts, but my only other options were to rest or hit legs. Considering my low back is still a tad blown from saving the incline bencher the other day, I had to do SOMETHING. I started off deciding I'd just hit traps, but once my shoulder region was warmed up, I had no choice.

Delts.

Behind The Neck Shrugs
225lbs x 10 reps
275lbs x 8 reps
315lbs x 8 reps
365lbs x 6 reps
365lbs x 6 reps

Hammer Seated Shrugs
270lbs x 10 reps, x 8 reps, x 8 reps

Machine, Behind The Neck Shoulder Press
135lbs x 10 reps
150lbs x 10 reps
185lbs x 8 reps
200lbs x 8 reps
215lbs x 6 reps
215lbs x 5 reps

Barbell Upright Rows
95lbs x 10 reps
115lbs x 8 reps
115lbs x 6 reps

Seated Db Lateral Raises (full elbow extension)
25lbs Db's x 10 reps
30lbs Db's x 10 reps, x 8 reps, x 8 reps, x 6 reps

??????

Hammer Preacher Curls
100lbs x 15 reps
110lbs x 10 reps
120lbs x 10 reps
130lbs x 8 reps
140lbs x 8 reps
150lbs x 6 reps
160lbs x 5 reps
Drop-Set, 140lbs x 6 reps - 120lbs x 6 reps - 100lbs x 5 reps

That was a bit random, but I had too much energy left over and I knew I didn't want to push my delts or traps any further. I just strained my traps 2 weeks ago and my delts were still sore from yesterday's chest day (which was why I initially did not want to hit my delts). I knew I wasn't going to workout tomorrow, so I figured I'd make the best.

Today wasn't a normal shoulders days for me, so I couldn't really note any positive strength effects, but I am looking forward to my next weighted dip session and weighted pull ups/Back day.

Try not let the alpha male make you overtrain. Make a plan and stick to it.. you've run this tiwce... now you know your advantages and limitations. Take that and plan what you're going to do. The mistake I made was I took on a rouitine I was unfamiliar with, the Prime rage took me through it and I ended up burning out. If I was using parameters I had knowledge of I would not have allowed that to happen. Once I start dosing Prime I have tunnel vision and reason leaves me...

5 days off in a row, Yikes!! Seems like alot but maybe that's my problem. What's your schedule look like now?

Originally Posted by DreamWeaver

Try not let the alpha male make you overtrain. Make a plan and stick to it.. you've run this tiwce... now you know your advantages and limitations. Take that and plan what you're going to do. The mistake I made was I took on a rouitine I was unfamiliar with, the Prime rage took me through it and I ended up burning out. If I was using parameters I had knowledge of I would not have allowed that to happen. Once I start dosing Prime I have tunnel vision and reason leaves me...

Could not agree more DW. Prime can take over and push you further than your body should be going. I usually can go 6-8 weeks in my DC blasts but started a Prime bottle at week 4 and I was amazed that I was in week 11 of a blast when I counted the weeks. Needless to say...I am burnt out and cruising right now. Prime had me recovering and hungry for every workout but it takes you past the bodies natural limits. While that is good for a certain amount of time. It will take it's toll on you.

Originally Posted by VolcomX311

Blue GENE
- Greater muscle endurance, then strength, but strength was prevalent.
- Heavy, heavy lethargy toward the last 5 days, almost unbearable.
- No post cycle burn out, and no PCT required.

Memorable PR's: 125lbs Db's x 10 reps, 100lbs Db's x 22 reps.

I remember reading your review of this, with the youtube vids, and being very impressed with the 100x22 set. That was pretty much my first impression of you; I was impressed.

Originally Posted by DreamWeaver

Try not let the alpha male make you overtrain. Make a plan and stick to it.. you've run this tiwce... now you know your advantages and limitations. Take that and plan what you're going to do. The mistake I made was I took on a rouitine I was unfamiliar with, the Prime rage took me through it and I ended up burning out. If I was using parameters I had knowledge of I would not have allowed that to happen. Once I start dosing Prime I have tunnel vision and reason leaves me...

Very true. I have a natural tendency to over-train as is, but being able to exert that extra umpf with PRIME usually leads to general fatigue. I'll try and be more conscious of such matters this time around.

Originally Posted by bubble boy

5 days off in a row, Yikes!! Seems like alot but maybe that's my problem. What's your schedule look like now?

I may have missed to whom this post was addressing, sorry

Originally Posted by AZMIDLYF

Prime ... takes you past the bodies natural limits. While that is good for a certain amount of time. It will take it's toll on you.

Agreed and well said.

Originally Posted by Resolve

I remember reading your review of this, with the youtube vids, and being very impressed with the 100x22 set. That was pretty much my first impression of you; I was impressed.

YES!!! I'm feel'n the love.

You haven't felt pain until you've had a Chinese deep tissue massage from a non-English speaking masseuse. The more fobby the masseuse, the less humane they are with their technique and the less consideration they have for human pain & suffering.

I got a deep tissue from Mr. Lu again. I literally sweat from the pain and I get stuff dripping out my nose when I'm laying face down. I also had DOMS in particular muscles, like my chest and lats, so when it was elbow grinding time, the pain was severely compounded.

The worst by far, was when he had me on my stomach, my arms reaching forward, above my head like superman, and hanging on to a chair in front of me, so my arms are fully extended, with my lats open & raw to the world, where at this point, he rammed his elbow into my lats and was grinding my lats like he was grinding down herbs in a stone mixer.

The worse I grimaced, the more he felt he was at a good spot to work and further grind to hell.

As painful as it was, my lower back feels better.

I thought this was great, ode to LEE PRIEST

sheesh

lol... I met Lee Priest at my first Arnold(the last one he competed in, 06?), at the VIP afterparty. Very cool, down to earth guy. I became a fan that night.

I also remember reading an article FAQ with Priest, and he commented he loved junk food and he would never give it up. He in turn does cardio 7 days a week, for like 8 hours a day, when he needs to eventually cut.

Thats crazy! I wonder how much weight he actually drops when he cuts down? Bet its alot!

Moderate Core Day

Dead Lifts
225lbs x 10 reps
315lbs x 5 reps
335lbs x 3 reps
365lbs x 1 reps
315lbs x 3 reps
225lbs x 5 reps

Squats (HTC)
135lbs x 10 reps
155lbs x 8 reps
155lbs x 6 reps
135lbs x 10 reps

Barbell Hack Squats (some people call these reverse dead lifts, I suppose I can't blame them).
135lbs x 5 reps
185lbs x 5 reps
225lbs x 5 reps
225lbs x 3 reps (legs gave out)

Today should have been a rest day, but I stopped by my Training Facility to pick up a check and Tha PRIME made me walk over to a barbell and start adding weights to it and what started out with, "I'm just going to warm up my lower back for circulation sake," turned into an official dead lift session and I can't just do a partial day.

Tomorrow I have to go house hunting with my real estate agent, so for sure I won't be working out.

Originally Posted by hman85

Thats crazy! I wonder how much weight he actually drops when he cuts down? Bet its alot!

Off-Season, Lee Priest weighs between 270-285lbs He brings himself around mid-200's (200-225 LBS) during competition. He's infamous for his love for KFC and burgers.

Originally Posted by brk_nemesis

lol... I met Lee Priest at my first Arnold(the last one he competed in, 06?), at the VIP afterparty. Very cool, down to earth guy. I became a fan that night.

I also remember reading an article FAQ with Priest, and he commented he loved junk food and he would never give it up. He in turn does cardio 7 days a week, for like 8 hours a day, when he needs to eventually cut.

I met him once at the Iron Man/L.A. Fitness Expo. I didn't get to really talk to him or even eves drop on his personality. I just shook his hand and he seemed like a real humble and gracious guy.

I think he could tell he'd just run into a fan when he saw me. I was walking through a crowd of people, then I notice a grown man in what almost appeared to be emo tight jeans, I see his face and I think he saw me mouth "oh $hit! it's Lee Priest!" from a distance, so I shook his hand and that's about it.

Yeah, he was wearing normal jeans, but his quads were too big for them.

Originally Posted by VolcomX311

Moderate Core Day

Dead Lifts
225lbs x 10 reps
315lbs x 5 reps
335lbs x 3 reps
365lbs x 1 reps
315lbs x 3 reps
225lbs x 5 reps

Squats (HTC)
135lbs x 10 reps
155lbs x 8 reps
155lbs x 6 reps
135lbs x 10 reps

Barbell Hack Squats (some people call these reverse dead lifts, I suppose I can't blame them).
135lbs x 5 reps
185lbs x 5 reps
225lbs x 5 reps
225lbs x 3 reps (legs gave out)

Today should have been a rest day, but I stopped by my Training Facility to pick up a check and Tha PRIME made me walk over to a barbell and start adding weights to it and what started out with, "I'm just going to warm up my lower back for circulation sake," turned into an official dead lift session and I can't just do a partial day.

Tomorrow I have to go house hunting with my real estate agent, so for sure I won't be working out.

I guess you won't be sticking with any particular plan then ....

Originally Posted by DreamWeaver

I guess you won't be sticking with any particular plan then ....

I tried. I only went into my training facility to pick up a pay check and it all went downhill from there. However, I will be resting today (90% chance) and most likely tomorrow (85% chance).

A saw a trainer/classmate last night at Peak Performance, who I haven't seen since my graduation in May. I was probably about 190lbs-193lbs the last I saw him. He made a comment about how I looked bigger, particularly in the shoulders, since we last saw each other, so I felt pretty good.

I am employing a strategy you may have interest in, V: it uses high volume, high frequency and high intensity - a BB'ing no-no. The little ditty goes something like this:

Monday:

Chest/Back/Traps - 7-8 sets each muscle group; 12-15 reps each set; reps performed at 70% intensity at either a 3:1:2 or 4:2:2 pace. Exercises focus exclusively on form, execution, isolation and variation of movement.

Tuesday:

Biceps/Triceps/Shoulder - same scheme and purpose as Monday, with a finishing drop set of 50 reps for biceps/triceps.

Wednesday:

Rest and/or light cardio

Thursday:

Chest/Back/Traps - 4-5 sets each muscle group; 4-6 reps each set; reps performed at 85-90% intensity at a 2:1:1 pace. Exercises focus on power and explosiveness, and each exercise is compound.

Friday:

Biceps/Triceps/Shoulders - same scheme and purpose as Thursday.

Considering my legs blow-up with little-to-no-attention, I alternate a Leg Day in EOW on Saturdays. In the interim, I am still pushing some form of DL and/or CnP every week, so the lower posterior chain is still getting worked. I am staying quite full, and my strength, even on the finesse days, is going up every week. The Sat/Sun rest scheme is also amazing for recuperation, without sacrifice, due to the high frequency of the plan.

Originally Posted by VolcomX311

You haven't felt pain until you've had a Chinese deep tissue massage from a non-English speaking masseuse. The more fobby the masseuse, the less humane they are with their technique and the less consideration they have for human pain & suffering.

I got a deep tissue from Mr. Lu again. I literally sweat from the pain and I get stuff dripping out my nose when I'm laying face down. I also had DOMS in particular muscles, like my chest and lats, so when it was elbow grinding time, the pain was severely compounded.

The worst by far, was when he had me on my stomach, my arms reaching forward, above my head like superman, and hanging on to a chair in front of me, so my arms are fully extended, with my lats open & raw to the world, where at this point, he rammed his elbow into my lats and was grinding my lats like he was grinding down herbs in a stone mixer.

The worse I grimaced, the more he felt he was at a good spot to work and further grind to hell.

As painful as it was, my lower back feels better.

+1. Been there done that. It's embarassingly painful. And the whole time I had a chinese guy (who works with us) next the massage lady telling her in Chinese to "make it more painful!"

Funny thing was, when we were getting foot massages, one of the Chinese guys we were with fell asleep. How in the hell can a man fall asleep during that type of pain????

Originally Posted by Mulletsoldier

7-8 sets each muscle group; 12-15 reps

"ouch baby, very ouch."



I'll give this a try. My ability to push the envelop intensity-wise is quite high, but my ability to push the envelop intra-set volume-wise, is an uphill battle. My reppage tends to diminish from set to set whether I'm pyramiding or maintaining weight. I can handle the 7-8 sets portion, but keeping the rep range at 12-15 would be a challenge.

Question, by 7-8 sets per muscle group, do you mean multiple exercises per the muscle group, such as flat bench, incline bench, dips... or 7-8 sets of flat bench?