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| Team APPNUT Board Sponsor Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Kiwi in the United States Age: 25
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![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | Day 15 0839 - HIIT Rollers: a. 4 min in 39x16 @ 60-65% HRmax @ 102 rpm b. 8 x 20 sec effort/10 sec easy in 39x15 (HR 75% HRmax, rpm N/A) c. 4 x 40 sec effort/20 sec easy in 39x14 (HR 75-80% HRmax, rpm N/A) d. 2 x 1 min effort/30 sec easy in 39x13 (HR 80-85% HRmax, rpm N/A) e. 1 x 2 min effort in 39x12 (HR 85-90% HRmax, rpm N/A) f. 1 min in 39x16 @ 66 rpm (HR dropped back to 60% HRmax) g. 3 min in 39x16 @ 60-65% HRmax @ 102 rpm Just let the body choose its own pace for the 'warm-up'; HR slow, as well as cadence (legs were still a bit 'fatigued'/'sore' from yesterday). First set of efforts were ok: Legs spinning and gasping for breath from the effort, but HR NOT rising (WTF???) Upped the intensity of the second set of efforts by increasing gear ratio AND effort duration, but HR still barely rose. Decided to make the efforts an extra 20 seconds LONGER again for the third set, in a HIGHER gear. Saw HR rise then; as well as legs screaming. Just because I am somewhat of a masochist when it comes to training I made the last set of efforts a continuous 2 minute effort. HR was 85% HRmax by the end of the second minute and 90% HRmax by the end of the second minute; gasping at the end of THAT. An easy minute to let the legs recover, and then back to letting the body 'settle' at a pace for the rest of the 'cool-down'. 0902 - Stretch 23 min. 1003 - Arms (1 min recovery between alternate sets and supersets): Alternate Set A 1. CG PU 4 x 15, 9, 9, 6 2. Weighted Dips 4 x 12 Superset A 3. Flat CG BB BP 4 x 6 4. DB ZC 4 x 12 Superset B 5. DB FP 4 x 12 6. Inc. DB BC 4 x 12 One of the 'easier' sessions of the week (yeah, right)...Alternate Set A: Started off with CG PU (FULL reps). REALLY surprised when I easily pumped out 13 reps and then was able to do a couple more, albeit struggling on the last part of the last rep. Held out reasonably well on the last 3 sets. Used a 16.5kg (i.e. 36.3lb) DB between my feet for the Weighted Dips, and unlike yesterday, feet were fine and held on. Triceps were feeling the last set for sure, and last 2 reps were very slow and painstakingly done...Superset A: Flat CG BB BP done at the same weight as last week. Straight to DB ZC; where wrists were fine, and really able to see the veins in my arms. Because I was standing 'between' mirrors I could see my back as well, and it looked good whilst lifting...Superset B: With DB FP I selected a lighter DB at 18.5kg (i.e. 40.7lb) because I wanted 12 reps put EACH set, and I knew that on the LAST set I would be struggling with the last few reps (which I did; the first 3 sets were pretty easy). Inc. DB BC were done slightly lighter than last week; but REALLY feeling the burn in my biceps, and quite painful on the last 2 sets...Walked out of the gym pretty pumped and happy with the 40-minute session... Sleep - Time and Quality: ~0030-0628 (waking at 0315, 0325, 0423, and 0613), so nearly 6.5 hours sleep. Was quite wired after last night, and took me ages to get to sleep once got to bed. On and off sleep, drifting in and out. Woke ok... Mental Alertness/Focus: There for the morning. Just been watching DVDs after training (and shopping for the binge)... Energy: On the bike, not so sure. In the gym, yeah good. After training, pretty uncomfortable from all the food, so none... Motivation: What can I say? Today was binge, no holds barred. After waking this morning and feeling pretty positive about everything I let it all go in a 9 hours of binging (I won't be doing THAT in a hurry again, that's for sure) As long as tomorrow is BACK to good ![]() Mood/Aggression: Not a lot of anything. Except disappointment in the EXTENT that I let myself go with my diet today ![]() Stress: Depends what you're asking about... Libido: None. Joints: Fine. Endurance: Good. Strength: UP. Quality of Training: HIIT was interesting. Resistance session was 8.5/10. Pump and Vascularity: Wicked pump, almost so bad that it was BURNING in biceps, in the gym...Vascularity not as high in the gym (although still seeing brachial veins etc.), but VERY good after all the eating... Muscle Hardness/Density: Arms. Glutes and legs. Body Composition and Look: This morning looked good; I was ok with the reflection in the mirror. Stomach ALMOST flat (most would say it IS, but I still see the small 'rise'). Hips are so lean that 'Adonis Belt' is VERY noticeable...Because my diet has been excellent over the last 4 days, I'm quite bloated now from all the food I've eaten today (but it will be gone in a few days)... Appetite: It's EASILY been at LEAST 5000 calories consumed today (yes, no ****)! I'll be a good 3-4kg (i.e. 6.6-8.8lb) heavier tomorrow!...Not been very thirsty though (because of all the food), but have still drunk a galleon of water... Overall Sense of Feeling: I was positive and happy this morning. Simply because of the way my body feels, not so great tonight. (And it's also been a hot and muggy day, which just adds to the discomfort). But, not to worry...Shoot went ok last night. It was a little different to what I expected, but all good There's a few more ideas in the works... | |||
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| Team APPNUT Board Sponsor Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Kiwi in the United States Age: 25
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![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | Day 16 NOTHING. Day OFF ![]() Sleep - Time and Quality: ~0130-0920, so nearly 8 hours sleep. Was very awake last night, and couldn't get to sleep when I went to bed (which WAS early this morning). Sleep deep. Dreams strange and weird. Quite shattered on waking... Mental Alertness/Focus: Not really wanting to be thinking about too much today. Watched a movie and then passed out... Energy: Not really had a lot. Pretty fatigued. Not really in the mood for training (NOT the attitude to have; a day OFF is the LAST thing I SHOULD be doing after yesterday's binging!), so I didn't do any (although body probably needs the rest, but not good enough of an excuse either). Passed out ~1300, and was only woken by a text at 1428... Motivation: Blah... Mood/Aggression: Aggressive and pretty fcuked off in general. Some people need to start learning to take some fcuking responsibility for their decisions and actions and stop expecting me to 'clean up' after them!!! ![]() Stress: 9 on the 1 to 10 scale! Libido: NONE! Joints: Fine (although mid to lower back has been aching (muscular) today). Endurance: N/A. Strength: N/A. Quality of Training: N/A. Pump and Vascularity: No pump...Vascularity ok... Muscle Hardness/Density: Delts and arms. Glutes and legs. Body Composition and Look: Actually not as bad I thought I would be after yesterday (courtesy of my pre-bed double-dose of NeoVar Recomped). Will be back to pre-binge 'shape' in a couple of days... Appetite: None. Just THIRSTY... Overall Sense of Feeling: Not too good | |||
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| Team APPNUT Board Sponsor Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Kiwi in the United States Age: 25
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![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | Day 17 0836 - Rollers: a. 10 min in 39x16 @ 60-65% HRmax @ 104-106 rpm b. 10 min in 39x16 @ 60-65% HRmax @ 110 rpm Legs were a little achy to start with, but ok once I got into it. Just let the body settle at a pace. After 10 minutes the pace got a little quicker (but not much), and legs felt better. HR did not rise at all during the session, though, and stayed at a pitiful 60-65% HRmax. 1037 - Full-Body (1 min recovery between sets/supersets): 1. BB BS 3 x 20, 25, 20 2. BB RD (on box) 3 x 10 3. LLC 2 x 20 4. CG SR 2 x 20 5. P/U (feet on bench, hands on s/b) 2 x 20 6. DB SP 2 x 10 SUPERSETTED WITH 7. DB LR 2 x 10 8. Weighted Dips 2 x 20 9. DB ZC 2 x 20 10. Abs 3 x [a. weighted crunch x 15, b. hanging straight leg raises x 10, c. s/b double leg lifts x 10] Decided to do another high-rep session, similar to Thursday...Started with BB BS. Same weight as Thursday. Managed better than Thursday though. Decided to do 20 reps per set, but because I could have easily done more on the first set, did a few more on the second, and then decided to do a third. I was going to KEEP going, but since no desire for bigger legs, let it go...Did BB RD on a box three times as high as the step I have been using until now. Was able to go lower, but not feeling too much of a stretch...LLC. Both sets dropsetted like Thursday, but not as soon as on Thursday...CG SR. Both sets dropsetted as well. Forearms screaming, and left shoulder hurting (NOT biceps tendon). Started getting REALLY frustrated and wanting to throw weights around and beat something to a pulp...The anger continued during P/U. I did them with hands on s/b today, and after 10 reps almost every rep was a battle. My core was being well controlled, and each rep was a grunt to get up and focus...Aggression and frustration continued on with DB SP and DB LR. Both shoulders starting to hurt now, left more than the right. What would normally be an easy weight for DB SP saw only 10 reps per set. DB LR at almost peak weight though...Weighted Dips were done with an extra 18.5kg (i.e. 40.7lb). Definitely a battle today. Shoulders and arms were already fcuked after everything else...DB ZC. Done better than on Thursday. No pauses or wrist or forearm pain. Last 2 reps of last set slower, though. Seeing biceps well. And vascularity knotted up...Finished with Abs. Didn't feel anything on weighted crunches. Started to feel something on hanging straight leg raises. And definitely feeling them on the s/b double leg lifts...Actually walked out of the gym feeling REALLY good. Better than when I walked in. And feeling more comfortable with myself. 1215 - Stretch 20 min. Sleep - Time and Quality: ~2230-0830 (waking at 0613, 0625, and 0723), so ~10 hours sleep. Deep. Dreaming. Uncomfortable; woke with sore shoulders and neck. Woke not really wanting to do anything... Mental Alertness/Focus: There. I'm stressed out of my mind! Energy: I didn't have any this morning before I got on the rollers, and was actually resenting the time on them. But by the gym I was wanting to do it, and in the gym I had energy. Afterwards was ok. Watched a movie; it should have been only 3 hours, but after all the interruptions and hassles, ended up being just over 5 hours (ah well; filled up the better part of the afternoon). Now feel a little flat and drained. Was trying to psych myself up for an evening run, but not tonight... Motivation: Good. Back on track. Mood/Aggression: After the last 24 hours I am emotionally and mentally drained and exhausted. Lots of aggression and frustration and wanting to beat something to death... Stress: VERY high! Libido: None. Joints: Fine. Endurance: Excellent. Strength: Maintaining (although the resistance session was NOT about strength). Quality of Training: Rollers ok. Resistance session pretty good. Pump and Vascularity: Pump all over in the gym (yes, including legs)...Vascularity was knots and blue lines... Muscle Hardness/Density: All. Body Composition and Look: Looking better than yesterday. Appetite: Not really...VERY thirsty though... Overall Sense of Feeling: I want to be a rock island again... | |||
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| Team APPNUT Board Sponsor Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Kiwi in the United States Age: 25
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![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | Day 18 1054 - HIIT Rollers: a. 4 min in 39x16 @ 60-65% HRmax @ 110 rpm b. 8 x 20 sec effort/10 sec easy in 39x14 (HR 75% HRmax, rpm N/A) c. 8 x 20 sec effort/10 sec easy in 39x13 (HR 80% HRmax, rpm N/A) d. 8 x 20 sec effort/10 sec easy in 39x12 (HR 80-85% HRmax, rpm N/A) e. 1 min in 39x16 @ 66 rpm (HR dropped back to 60% HRmax) f. 3 min in 39x16 @ 60-65% HRmax @ 106 rpm Was aggressive as hell when I got on the rollers this morning and was ready to tear something to shreds...Started out ok, but raring to get into the efforts. Started the first set of efforts in a higher gear ratio than I have been, spinning to try and burn all the rage out. HR did NOT go up (GRRRR) much. Nor did it much more when I increased the intensity for the second set of efforts. Legs were a different story, starting to feel the pace towards the end of the second set. Third set of efforts was a battle, filled with angry noise and spinning during the efforts and relief in between them. HR got up though. Finished off after the last set easy, before easing back into a 'cool-down' pace... 1117 - Stretch 21 min. Sleep - Time and Quality: ~0100-0900 (waking at 0315, 0325, 0423, and 0845), so ~8 hours sleep. Deep sleep. No dreams. Took me ~15 minutes to get up once awake, and even longer to 'wake up'... Mental Alertness/Focus: Been doing some serious packing today... Energy: Good enough. Motivation: There. Mood/Aggression: VERY aggressive today. Tried to use it for HIIT, but didn't work so well. If there were no laws and I could go anywhere and I had a gun with endless bullets... Stress: High. Libido: None. Joints: Fine. Endurance: Good. Strength: N/A. Quality of Training: Ok, but not that great. Pump and Vascularity: No pump...Vascularity not as strong as usual... Muscle Hardness/Density: Delts and arms. Glutes and legs. Body Composition and Look: It's been better. However, double-dosing NeoVar Recomped pre-bed is helping me 'recover' from the binges a lot faster than I would otherwise, and will become a norm in my supplement regime (binge or not) from now on... Appetite: None. Not as thirsty as I have been either (surprising, since I drank nearly 2 galleons yesterday)... Overall Sense of Feeling: I'll just be glad when everything is done here and I can move on... | |||
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| Team APPNUT Board Sponsor Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Kiwi in the United States Age: 25
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![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | Day 19 0916 - Rollers: a. 5 min in 39x16 @ 65% HRmax @ 106 rpm b. 10 min in 39x16 @ 70% HRmax @ 114-116 rpm c. 5 min in 39x16 @ 75% HRmax @ 122 rpm Started out ok. Legs fine. Not really wanting to be on the rollers, but doing it anyway. Upped the cadence after 5 minutes, and then some more after 15 minutes. HR did NOT rise much at all. Gave legs a good spin though. 0940 - Stretch 21 min. Sleep - Time and Quality: ~2300-0800 (waking at 0315, 0325, 0423, and 0615), so ~9 hours sleep. VERY deep. Dreaming. Not in the mood to do anything much when I woke up. GRRR; I want to be getting up at 0315 like I used to!!! Mental Alertness/Focus: Been in and out and pottering about all day packing and tidying up loose ends... Energy: There, but not really used it much...Aside from the rollers and a walk into town... Motivation: Not really, today. Mood/Aggression: Bit blah. Had a few silly moments in the mid-afternoon. Now just disappointed in yet another binge... Stress: High. Libido: Starting to get some back. Joints: Fine. Endurance: Fine. Strength: N/A. Quality of Training: Ok. Pump and Vascularity: No pump...Not really noticed much vascularity... Muscle Hardness/Density: Arms. Glutes and legs. Body Composition and Look: Better this morning. Bit bloated after "dinner" (lasted 80 minutes, so no surprise there)...Back to good diet and resistance training and I'll be fine in no time... Appetite: Been wanting to binge all day. And yes, DID this evening (and yes, regretting it afterwards). Had 6 NeoVar Recomped pre-bed tonight...Not as thirsty today as have been... Overall Sense of Feeling: I'll be glad come the end of the week...But next week will bring NEW stresses...Just wanting to get back into MY routine. STOP all these late nights and start going to bed between 2030 and 2130 and getting up at 0315... | |||
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| Team APPNUT Board Sponsor Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Kiwi in the United States Age: 25
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![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | Day 20 1027 - HIIT Rollers: a. 4 min in 39x16 @ 60-65% HRmax @ 104 rpm b. 8 x 20 sec effort/10 sec easy in 39x15 (HR 70% HRmax, rpm N/A) c. 8 x 20 sec effort/10 sec easy in 39x14 (HR 75-80% HRmax, rpm N/A) d. 8 x 20 sec effort/10 sec easy in 39x13 (HR 80-85% HRmax, rpm N/A) e. 2 min in 39x16 @ 104 rpm (HR dropped back to 60% HRmax) f. 2 min in 39x16 @ 60-65% HRmax @ 112 rpm NOT in the mood or wanting to do ANY training today...Got on the rollers and made a half-hearted attempt at starting. Legs were fine. HR fine. Efforts were ok, but nothing great. Legs were starting to feel the intensity on the last set of efforts, and HR was starting to get some rise. 'Cool-down' pretty slow and lacklustre. 1055 - Stretch 20 min. Sleep - Time and Quality: ~ 2350-0900 (waking at 0315, 0325, 0423, 0615, 0715, and 0800), so ~9 hours sleep. Deep. Dreaming. Took a little while to get up once 'awake'... Mental Alertness/Focus: There. Energy: Did HIIT, but not really in the mood for training. Spent the day packing and doing some gardening, and then chilled for the evening with a couple of DVDs... Motivation: This week has REALLY been LACKING in motivation for training (maybe the too long withOUT a break (it's been 3 days completely off training in the last 8 weeks)...Or something else; too much on my mind at the moment?)Mood/Aggression: Just a bit blah... Stress: HIGH! Libido: None. Joints: Fine. Endurance: Fine. Strength: N/A. Quality of Training: Ok. Pump and Vascularity: No pump...Vascularity more like I am used to... Muscle Hardness/Density: Arms. Glutes and legs. Body Composition and Look: Arms look ok. Rest of me looking (and feeling) a bit soft and curvy today (too many binges withOUT resistance training; has to STOP!) Not feeling too comfortable in my body today (get back to feeling good!)Appetite: None all day. And then huge binge with the DVDs Huge eating may be 'acceptable' when I am doing heavy resistance training, but when I am NOT, my body does NOT need all that food!!! CONTROL!!!...Just a quick note that from now on I am also dosing NeoVar Recomped at 4-6 caps pre-bed as well...Overall Sense of Feeling: Quite disappointed in myself. Hindsight means that I know BETTER (then put it to some USE)!...It is also looking like resistance training may not be done this week, due to all the moving etc. I guess a week off will be ok (considering it's been 6 weeks since I had a week off the gym); but head is still NOT liking it... | |||
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![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | Day 21 0834 - HIIT Rollers: a. 4 min in 39x16 @ 65% HRmax @ 104 rpm b. 8 x 20 sec effort/10 sec easy in 39x15 (HR 75% HRmax, rpm N/A) c. 8 x 20 sec effort/10 sec easy in 39x14 (HR 75% HRmax, rpm N/A) d. 8 x 20 sec effort/10 sec easy in 39x13 (HR 80% HRmax, rpm N/A) e. 1 min in 39x16 @ 104 rpm (HR dropped back to 65% HRmax) f. 3 min in 39x16 @ 65-70% HRmax @ 110 rpm Just wanting to get training done and out of the way today. Decided to do HIIT, since not sure what I could do Friday when more focussed on the last of the packing and leaving...Started out ok. HR a little on the higher end of what it would normally be. Efforts saw HR a little higher than normal for what they would be at the same intensity, but not feeling as if they were any more intense than usual. Legs feeling good (surprising, since did HIIT yesterday). Body was ok during 'cool-down' as well... 0856 - Stretch 20 min. Sleep - Time and Quality: ~2330-0700 (waking at 0315, 0325, and 0423), so ~7.5 hours sleep. Didn't get up until 0732 though. Sleep was deep. No dreams... Mental Alertness/Focus: There. Although not really needed for mindless tasks like cleaning... Energy: Did HIIT and then spent 6 hours straight cleaning. Not really wanting to be doing ANYthing after that, so got a couple of DVDs. Was so tired actually fell asleep during the second one... Motivation: None. Mood/Aggression: Nothing... Stress: HIGH! Libido: None. Joints: Fine. Endurance: Fine. Strength: N/A. Quality of Training: Ok. Pump and Vascularity: No pump...Vascularity ok; better in the evening... Muscle Hardness/Density: Arms. Body Composition and Look: Too soft for my liking. All this time out of the gym (while eating the same) is making a noticeable difference... Appetite: None all day. Didn't eat from breakfast until dinner (forgot as I was cleaning)... Overall Sense of Feeling: Not too happy with myself right now...Nevertheless, the timeline is closing in... | |||
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