Volcom's Optimus PRIME Log

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  1. Quote Originally Posted by Irish Cannon View Post
    Haha. Ya, that's why I'm watching Volc's log, first. If it's worth it, I'll do it, but for a 30 day run @ $165, it better be pretty freaking amazing.
    .. Test E = ~$120 for 5 weeks. [cough, cough]


    .. all I'm saying is, it's quite unbelievable how hyped up a product got; to the point where people nearly insist on taking it, and at times, plan to take it in a double dosage (compared to label recommendations, 2 caps X 3 times daily vs 12 caps/day) to 'guarantee' the results or some kind of gains.


    .. I'm not trying to change anyone's opinion (whether they want to take it or don't want to take it), simply trying to point out a valid point. Come on now, IC, let's see Sam's run @ 9 caps/day (50% over suggested dosage), and make judgement once 40 days are up. Besides, considering Volcom's got 40+ lbs on you (bodyweight) 6 caps ought to do the trick for you .. you'd think ..
    VikingInc's Journey towards NSL Physique 2016 competition on March 12, 2016, in Houston, Texas.


  2. Mmmmm....Test Enanthate.....

    ....NO! NO, IC!

    I hear what you're saying Viking, and I agree completely, which is why I'm waiting to see Volcom's run.

    But I do have a mega-dosing habit...and it stemmed from AAS use. I don't dose Test under 1.5g/wk anymore...That is if I still did it.
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  3. Prime is a unique product, in that the dosage at 6/day is effective.. but you can tell the difference when you up the dose to 9, and currently I'm playing at 12 for the final days of my run. I can tell more of a difference between 6 & 9 dosing, than I can between the 9 & 12 dosing. For the cost/benefit equation involved, I don't know that I'd recommend it @ 12/day.

    And re. poops recommendation of running cissus alongside -- great idea. Not only to sooth your joints from the overload, but the combination of the two in above-recommended dosing fashion produces a killa synergistic response. I'm excited Sam is running the Prime solo.. but.. stacking with 9g of cissus is truly phenomenol..

  4. wow 9g!! I was thinking 6g!!!

  5. Quote Originally Posted by Irish Cannon View Post
    Mmmmm....Test Enanthate.....

    ....NO! NO, IC!

    I hear what you're saying Viking, and I agree completely, which is why I'm waiting to see Volcom's run.

    But I do have a mega-dosing habit...and it stemmed from AAS use. I don't dose Test under 1.5g/wk anymore...That is if I still did it.
    I'll try and be as accurate as possible. Strength gains are much easier to gauge & track progress with validity then is tracking physiology.

    I am fairly efficient and accurate at accrediting strength gains to neuromuscular facets and "added help." I'll scrutinize with extra attention due to the nature of the product and "issues" at hand.
    NSCA - CSCS
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  6. Quote Originally Posted by vikinginc View Post
    .. Test E = ~$120 for 5 weeks. [cough, cough]


    .. all I'm saying is, it's quite unbelievable how hyped up a product got; to the point where people nearly insist on taking it, and at times, plan to take it in a double dosage (compared to label recommendations, 2 caps X 3 times daily vs 12 caps/day) to 'guarantee' the results or some kind of gains.


    .. I'm not trying to change anyone's opinion (whether they want to take it or don't want to take it), simply trying to point out a valid point. Come on now, IC, let's see Sam's run @ 9 caps/day (50% over suggested dosage), and make judgement once 40 days are up. Besides, considering Volcom's got 40+ lbs on you (bodyweight) 6 caps ought to do the trick for you .. you'd think ..
    A log like this could use the extra pragmatism and who better to play Devil's advocate then someone I know and respect. You're thoughts and opinions are always welcomed in my log, Thomas.
    NSCA - CSCS

  7. Quote Originally Posted by Irish Cannon View Post
    Mmmmm....Test Enanthate.....

    ....NO! NO, IC!

    I hear what you're saying Viking, and I agree completely, which is why I'm waiting to see Volcom's run.

    But I do have a mega-dosing habit...and it stemmed from AAS use. I don't dose Test under 1.5g/wk anymore...That is if I still did it.
    Holy $hit, bro; 1,500mg/week minimum when you ran it ?!
    As in 4-6 cc's week [@ 250-300mg/mL] ?

    .. that's also taxing as hell on your wallet..

    .. and nuts . .
    VikingInc's Journey towards NSL Physique 2016 competition on March 12, 2016, in Houston, Texas.

  8. Quote Originally Posted by VolcomX311 View Post
    A log like this could use the extra pragmatism and who better to play Devil's advocate then someone I know and respect. You're thoughts and opinions are always welcomed in my log, Thomas.
    .. haha, Sam, I appreciate you not feeling disrespected by my previous comments in your thread.. Like I said, I'm not trying to bring on the hate, I'm merely emphasizing various factors I always take into consideration when choosing to make any economic decision. 'Cost' vs 'the benefits of such a decision' vs 'does it make sense' vs 'what are the options' . .
    VikingInc's Journey towards NSL Physique 2016 competition on March 12, 2016, in Houston, Texas.

  9. V, I gotta be all repped out .. for 3-4 days now, You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to VolcomX311 again.

    ..
    VikingInc's Journey towards NSL Physique 2016 competition on March 12, 2016, in Houston, Texas.

  10. Quote Originally Posted by vikinginc View Post
    Holy $hit, bro; 1,500mg/week minimum when you ran it ?!
    As in 4-6 cc's week [@ 250-300mg/mL] ?

    .. that's also taxing as hell on your wallet..

    .. and nuts . .
    Last time I ran Enanthate was @ 1g/wk (500mg, 2x/wk). Last time I ran Propionate was @ 1.4g/wk (200mg ED).

    I wouldn't call it nuts...I would call it...Beautiful. All things considered, though, totally not worth it. I'm much happier being natural.

    If I were to run it again it would be Enanthate @ 1500mg/wk, for at least 20 weeks. But I'm not going to, so that's that.

  11. Quote Originally Posted by VolcomX311 View Post
    I've been blessed with poop water, now all is well.
    That's then what I've been missing all along, can I have some too, PLEEEZE Poops !!!!!

  12. Quote Originally Posted by VolcomX311 View Post
    I have good/bad news. These pre-Prime logged workouts were meant to be a gauge of current strength, in order to contrast against Prime cycle gains. The good/bad news is that this morning was one of my strongest performing trap/delt workouts I've had all season, so the bar has been set pretty high.

    One of the main reasons I suspect for these gains are the newly established neuromuscular adaptions. I've been "transitioning" from high volume/moderate intensity, to high intensity/moderate volume for a few weeks now and I believe that transition is over.

    Enough with the BS'ing, on with the show.

    Barbell Shrugs
    225lbs x 15 reps
    315lbs x 12 reps
    375lbs x 10 reps
    405lbs x 8 reps

    Behind The Neck, Smith Barbell Shrugs
    315lbs x 10 reps
    375lbs x 10 reps
    405lbs x 8 reps

    Db Shrugs
    125lbs Db's x 15 reps
    125lbs Db's x 12 reps
    125lbs Db's x 12 reps
    125lbs Db's x 12 reps

    Seated Shrugs
    270lbs x 10 reps
    270lbs x 8 reps
    270lbs x 8 reps

    Behind The Neck Shoulder Press
    225lbs x 10 reps
    225lbs x 8 reps
    225lbs x 6 reps

    Hammer Shoulder Press
    180lbs x 10 reps
    180lbs x 8 reps
    180lbs x 6 reps

    Seated, Cable Shoulder Press
    100lbs x 15 reps
    120lbs x 12 reps
    140lbs x 10 reps

    And THAT is moderate volume ?!

    Definitely NOT "just another" Prime log Volcom, those are high base standards
    Let's see how far the ultimate muscle pill gets you!

  13. checking in.

    although ill probably never run prime seeing the price tag im interested in your results.

  14. Quote Originally Posted by vikinginc View Post
    .. haha, Sam, I appreciate you not feeling disrespected by my previous comments in your thread.. Like I said, I'm not trying to bring on the hate, I'm merely emphasizing various factors I always take into consideration when choosing to make any economic decision. 'Cost' vs 'the benefits of such a decision' vs 'does it make sense' vs 'what are the options' . .
    You don't sound like you're "hating" at all. You don't ever express opinions about PRIME being a shenanigan product per se, you've only voiced your dissidence with marketing practices and other venues where you'd prefer to spend "that much money." Passion in our opinions can make them "sound" more negative then they really are.

    For me, I've been looking for a solid product that doesn't require legitimate PCT (I have no connects) and does not cause lethargy (because my lifestyle and schedule simply cannot afford it). Therefore, if PRIME performs like a Junglewarfare or 3-AD "for me," then the extra money is well worth it (I've had abnormal success with both for those of you raising your eyebrows at the JW, 3-AD comment). However, I can understand for someone as experienced and able to get "the hook up" stuff, like yourself, then PRIME's most notable aspect is it's price comparison. If I were in your shoes and would be able to have the thoughts, "I could get this guaranteed legit stuff" for the same price or less, then I'd probably feel the same way.

    JW doesn't require legit PCT and it works amazing for me, but the lethargy is more then I can afford, which is why I've been trying to give my bottle away for the last two logs!

    The lack of PCT and lack of lethargy is worth a lot of money in my life and my situation.

    I also understand your distaste for the market strategy. I don't expect anything outrageous, as I've been supplementing for YEARS and NOTHING has delivered anything "outrageous" from the supps I've tried. I suppose ECA does deliver outrageous energy, but as far as results, almost everything I've tried has been either "as expected" and up to, "very good" but I've been doing this long enough to not expect, "outrageous" results.

    If PRIME performs well, then I'll be grateful and excited to have fond a reliable product for strength purposes, if PRIME disappoints, it won't be the first, ya know.
    NSCA - CSCS

  15. Quote Originally Posted by dragonfly View Post
    And THAT is moderate volume ?!

    Definitely NOT "just another" Prime log Volcom, those are high base standards
    Let's see how far the ultimate muscle pill gets you!
    I think my definition of volume pertains to limited sets and reps, as oppose to overall exercises

    Always nice to have AM's house favorite dropping by.
    NSCA - CSCS

  16. Quote Originally Posted by dragonfly View Post
    That's then what I've been missing all along, can I have some too, PLEEEZE Poops !!!!!
    After Thanksgiving, I'm sure there shall be no shortage
    NSCA - CSCS
  17. Re-living the old


    Due to blown erectors, I am limited to vertical movements in my back exercises for the time being. I performed some horizontal resistance during my last back workout, keep a real keen attention on avoiding any leaning back in order to protect my erectors and i still somehow, re-aggravated my erectors into the point of muscle spasms.

    The real blow here, is I absolutely cannot perform my beloved dead lifts. You won't be seeing any dead lift logs during my PRIME run, but I wanted it to be known that I LOVE dead lifts, they are my favorite lift. The strongest I've ever gotten was 495lbs x 2 reps.

    I'm going to post "OLD" dead lift videos to ensure my love and wish that I could be doing deads if able.

    I have a 405 for 6 or 8 reps, which isn't that great. During my peak I could hit 10 on any given Sunday, and my second video is 475 for 3 reps, and my best with these are 6 reps. These were taken after a 3 month break from a SERIOUS re-aggravation of my lumbar during last spring, which kept me bed ridden for 3 days. This would be my 3rd session back, since I stopped 3 months prior, which is why my performance was about 60% of what I was able to do.

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=47bTdVzFK-8"]YouTube - Dead lifts[/ame]


    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Xb3XNYzekw"]YouTube - Dead lifts 2[/ame]

    Damn injuries... Life goes on. There you have it, so when my back workouts look very one sided, primarily vertical movements, it's because I'm forcefully relegated to it, not because I've gone full retard.

    NSCA - CSCS

  18. Quote Originally Posted by pistonpump View Post
    checking in.

    although ill probably never run prime seeing the price tag im interested in your results.
    for sure, go BJ Penn!
    NSCA - CSCS

  19. Quote Originally Posted by vikinginc View Post
    .. Test E = ~$120 for 5 weeks. [cough, cough]

    .. all I'm saying is, it's quite unbelievable how hyped up a product got; to the point where people nearly insist on taking it, and at times, plan to take it in a double dosage (compared to label recommendations, 2 caps X 3 times daily vs 12 caps/day) to 'guarantee' the results or some kind of gains.
    Test E = $1.10/g + BA/BB + Whatman + Vials = more like $90 for 12 weeks cough, cough



    Aside from that, I do not think anybody is really suggesting that PRIME need be run at 9 [email protected] to achieve results, not by any means. I merely mentioned in a thread I had experienced dose-dependent results at 9 caps as compared to 6, and Volcom decided that was something he was interested in; that being said, the vast majority of individuals experiencing positive results were using it as per label directions.

  20. Are you going to update your Sig with the Prime log Volcom?

  21. Mullett, it's best I don't find out where you're getting test for $1.10/g.

  22. Quote Originally Posted by Irish Cannon View Post
    Mullett, it's best I don't find out where you're getting test for $1.10/g.
    haha. on the other hand, id be very interested if you DID run that log of 1500 per week. could be the making of a monster.

  23. damn dude, first time I have caught those dead vids... very impressive... I dont dead cause Ive always had a ****tay lower back, not even going to tempt it. Im stuck to shrugs and classic extended rows to hit the lower back and traps the way a dead does... of course its no where near the same intensity.

  24. Quote Originally Posted by dragonfly View Post
    That's then what I've been missing all along, can I have some too, PLEEEZE Poops !!!!!
    any time my child, lol.

    Ill make sure to get right on it.

  25. Quote Originally Posted by poopypants View Post
    wow 9g!! I was thinking 6g!!!
    6g cissus will suffice to alleviate achy joints & tendons, but 9g will promote anabolic effects.. you know this poops..

  26. Quote Originally Posted by snagency View Post
    6g cissus will suffice to alleviate achy joints & tendons, but 9g will promote anabolic effects.. you know this poops..
    Will NP's Cissus do this? Or is Super Cissus Rx needed @ 9 grams for anabolic effects ?
    VikingInc's Journey towards NSL Physique 2016 competition on March 12, 2016, in Houston, Texas.

  27. I have no experience with NP's bulk, can't speak on that..

  28. Quote Originally Posted by snagency View Post
    6g cissus will suffice to alleviate achy joints & tendons, but 9g will promote anabolic effects.. you know this poops..

    evry one is diffenrt, i have had great anabolic effects from 4 to 5 grams aday dosing especaly aroud my workouts befor and after.
    taking 1.5-2.0 grams with unrefined coconut oil gives me that strongest pumps

  29. Quote Originally Posted by poopypants View Post
    damn dude, first time I have caught those dead vids... very impressive... I dont dead cause Ive always had a ****tay lower back, not even going to tempt it. Im stuck to shrugs and classic extended rows to hit the lower back and traps the way a dead does... of course its no where near the same intensity.
    You and I are currently in the same boat. I overcompensate the lack of deads with extensive shrug exercises; I try to perform shrugs on shoulder days and back days, but nothing appropriately makes up for deads.

    I'm a fanatic for well developed traps and well developed forearms.
    NSCA - CSCS

  30. Those are some great vids, Volcom. My deads seem to be the one exercise that suffered from my weightloss.
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