Volcom's Optimus PRIME Log

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  1. Quote Originally Posted by snagency View Post
    This stuff's slightly more expensive than straight MCT's..

    Udo's Choice Oil Blend is a unique blend of oils and nutritional co-factors that meet all of the esential fatty acid needs of your body. Formulated by author and nutritional authority, Udo Erasmus, Ph. D. and made by combining certified organic flax, sesame, sunflower oil and other unrefined oils, lecithin (GMO-free) and tocotrienol. An ideal 2:1 ratio of omega 3 and 6 essential fatty acids, proven by research to benefit cardiovascular health, enhance stamina and energy, and improve general health and well-being. Certified Organic.

    Amount Per Serving % Daily Value*

    Calories 125
    Calories From Fat 125
    Total Fat 14g 22%
    Saturated Fat 1.5g 8%
    Trans Fat 0g
    Polyunsaturated Fat 10g
    Monounsaturated Fat 3g

    Omega-3 Fatty Acids 6g
    Omega 6 Fatty Acids 3g
    Omega 9 Fatty Acids 3g

    Daily Value not established
    * Percent Daily Values are based on a 2,000 calorie diet

    Other Ingredients
    Flax Oil, Sunflower Oil, Sesame Oil, Coconut Oil, Evening Primrose Oil(13 Mg GLA Per Tbsp.), Rice Germ And Bran Oil, Soy Lecithin(Non-GMO), Oat Germ And Bran Oil, Mixed Tocopherols(Non-GMO)
    That does sound good actually... so I'm guessing you don't even bother with fish oil.
    Unremarkable is no way to go through life... Doug


  2. Quote Originally Posted by snagency View Post
    Nice #'s & feedback there Sam, I'm trying to be quiet and just observe the effects of Prime on you, but I have to comment on the good strength/heightened aggression aspects you mentioned. This was the same thing I went thru immediately upon starting the product back in February. The aggression I experienced was really off the charts, I was snappy some times outside the weightroom, like I wanted to rip ppl's heads off. Two other cool side-effects of that: it felt good to snap - I liked it! And I calmed down just as fast as I snapped.. which was a very good thing. It might not have been such an enjoyable experience if I couldn't have calmed down afterwards, running around strangling folks might've produced a problem..
    The aggression is different for me I have it but I feel calm and focussed at the same time more of a "don't fug with me or I'll rip your head off kind of thing". Very alpha layed back and confident.. it's a nice feeling.
    Unremarkable is no way to go through life... Doug
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by vikinginc View Post
    Holy $hit, man, 125-150mg/day !? 5-6 caps !? ... ok, F*CK my 'go careful, go gentle' bull$hit with DS's .. Your above statement just convinced me to hit up MMv2 @ 4-6 caps/day alongside H-drol @ 100+mg/day in January. I'm convinced .. @ my bodyweight ?! Hells yesss . . .Got three bottles MMv2 coming in tomorrow, and H-drol would've been an additional $75. Yeah, i'l be able to get my hands on that to spend by January.

    3clipseGT, you down with running it alongside to compare results !? Or you, Irish ? [following you-know-what-log] ..
    I don't consider these dosages being tossed around as outrageous at all. I would run H-Drol at 150 to 200 mg. per day personally. With other shit! Force Of Green ran it at 225 mg. per day along with other stuff! Poopypants ran Epi @60 mg. and D-Bol @30 mg. per day for 6 weeks. And 2 weeks into PCT his bloodwork was fine! Check out some of my older cycles viking. Just type Thundergod into your AM search.....and look out!!
    THE PAIN YOU ENDURE TODAY WILL PRODUCE THE POWER YOU ENJOY TOMORROW!!

    "Ye are gods, and all of you are children of the most High."

  4. Quote Originally Posted by vikinginc View Post
    Holy $hit, man, 125-150mg/day !? 5-6 caps !? ... ok, F*CK my 'go careful, go gentle' bull$hit with DS's .. Your above statement just convinced me to hit up MMv2 @ 4-6 caps/day alongside H-drol @ 100+mg/day in January. I'm convinced .. @ my bodyweight ?! Hells yesss . . .Got three bottles MMv2 coming in tomorrow, and H-drol would've been an additional $75. Yeah, i'l be able to get my hands on that to spend by January.

    3clipseGT, you down with running it alongside to compare results !? Or you, Irish ? [following you-know-what-log] ..
    I would bro. In a heartbeart! But I told big Sam earlier that my next (real) cycle will be the Poopypants Epi/D-Bol blowout!! Check out the dosages in my post above.
    THE PAIN YOU ENDURE TODAY WILL PRODUCE THE POWER YOU ENJOY TOMORROW!!

    "Ye are gods, and all of you are children of the most High."

  5. Quote Originally Posted by vikinginc View Post
    Holy $hit, man, 125-150mg/day !? 5-6 caps !? ... ok, F*CK my 'go careful, go gentle' bull$hit with DS's .. Your above statement just convinced me to hit up MMv2 @ 4-6 caps/day alongside H-drol @ 100+mg/day in January. I'm convinced .. @ my bodyweight ?! Hells yesss . . .Got three bottles MMv2 coming in tomorrow, and H-drol would've been an additional $75. Yeah, i'l be able to get my hands on that to spend by January.

    3clipseGT, you down with running it alongside to compare results !? Or you, Irish ? [following you-know-what-log] ..
    Yea man id love to run that alongside!!!
    E-Pharm Rep... PM me with any questions or concerns
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  6. Quote Originally Posted by DreamWeaver View Post
    That does sound good actually... so I'm guessing you don't even bother with fish oil.
    Refer to post #231 http://anabolicminds.com/forum/suppl...ml#post1684704 ..


  7. Quote Originally Posted by DreamWeaver View Post
    The aggression is different for me I have it but I feel calm and focussed at the same time more of a "don't fug with me or I'll rip your head off kind of thing". Very alpha layed back and confident.. it's a nice feeling.
    Yeah, I had that going on too.. but at the same time, if somebody did piss me off, I snapped.. but then cooled off just as quickly. Even when I was snapping tho, I had that feel-good, alpha-male thing happening too, just like I was in control & could snap if I felt like it! HAHA!!

  8. Quote Originally Posted by vikinginc View Post
    Holy $hit, man, 125-150mg/day !? 5-6 caps !? ... ok, F*CK my 'go careful, go gentle' bull$hit with DS's .. Your above statement just convinced me to hit up MMv2 @ 4-6 caps/day alongside H-drol @ 100+mg/day in January. I'm convinced .. @ my bodyweight ?! Hells yesss . . .Got three bottles MMv2 coming in tomorrow, and H-drol would've been an additional $75. Yeah, i'l be able to get my hands on that to spend by January.

    3clipseGT, you down with running it alongside to compare results !? Or you, Irish ? [following you-know-what-log] ..
    Hell ya I'm down...Why not all three of us?!

    People are overly cautious with some of these DS that are out. Superdrol/M-drol, M1T, ya that stuff is harsh, but some of these others are extremely mild and can be ran pretty high with little to no sides.

  9. I cant wait to watch you guys run some of these compounds and you can all compare gaines etc, sounds like fun!!!

  10. Quote Originally Posted by Irish Cannon View Post
    Hell ya I'm down...Why not all three of us?!

    People are overly cautious with some of these DS that are out. Superdrol/M-drol, M1T, ya that stuff is harsh, but some of these others are extremely mild and can be ran pretty high with little to no sides.
    You guys could run one giant log, with all three of you posting in the same Psychoticadrol Log. You can name is, "The Hiroshima-Drol Log."
    NSCA - CSCS

  11. Hahaha. I don't know if a three-person log would work well. I'm already having trouble keeping up with Trauma and PP's two-person.

  12. Quote Originally Posted by VolcomX311 View Post
    You guys could run one giant log, with all three of you posting in the same Psychoticadrol Log. You can name is, "The Hiroshima-Drol Log."
    Haha, you got the Japenese element down - that three-headed monster all jacked on DS!
  13. Day 3; Somethings Fishy




    I almost feel guilty about posting my results today. I had a third oddly successful day and rather then going into details about the various mediating variables, I'll accredit my overwhelming results today to these top three markers:

    #1. 40% due to More "radical" neuromuscular enhancements taking place.
    #2. 30% due to new level of acquired LBM in the past 3 months of hypertophic lifting, producing new levels of strength.
    #3. 20% due to PRIME

    What about diet? Did you have an extremely high carb breakfast that could have provided a substantial amount of energy? No. I ate 3 black sesame cubes, literally, totaling 12g (good) fats, 30g carbs for my PRIME intake, didn't have time for a real breakfast, although I cooked one up. I had to run out the door to get to work on time. This was at 5:45am. I worked out at 8:30am with those same 3 cubes of black sesame. (it's a Chinese snack, we make all type of vegetables, seeds and nuts into snacks)

    BACK

    Lat Pull Downs - Wide, overhand
    250lbs x 10 [way the hell too easy this morning]
    290lbs x 10 reps [+20lbs All Time PR]
    295lbs x 8 reps [+25lbs All Time PR]
    300lbs x 6 reps [+30lbs All Time PR]
    [Yeah..... I have no words or rational explanation to justify this. I literally don't know what to say. I almost wanted to intentionally low ball my numbers due to my apprehension to report these gains.]
    [Performance Rating: New Waters]

    Lat Pull Downs - Close, underhand
    250lbs x 10 reps [+40lbs at this point of the workout PR]
    270lbs x 8 reps [+40lbs at this point of the workout PR]
    290lbs x 6 reps [+40lbs at this point of the workout PR]
    [I know... please understand that I'm a grown @$$ man that works at a Law Firm as a paralegal and as a practicing Strength & Conditioning Specialist at a Performance Facility and attending University and serving an internship at an internationally renowned facility for older adult health. I bring this up to emphasize that I have no care or concern about impressing anyone or making some kind of image for myself on an internet board, my life is too busy and too real to be making things up for whatever reason. These are my numbers and it is what it is.
    [Performance Rating: Excellent]

    Lat Pull Downs - Neutral grip
    250lbs x 8 reps [+20lbs at this point of the workout PR]
    250lbs x 7 reps [+20lbs at this point of the workout PR]
    250lbs x 6 reps [+20lbs at this point of the workout PR]
    [Performance Rating: Excellent]

    Hammer Lat Pulls
    180lbs x 10 reps
    200lbs 8 reps
    220lbs x 6 reps
    [Performance Rating: Average]

    Hammer Lat Pull Pulls - Behind The Neck
    180lbs x 10 reps
    180lbs x 10 reps
    180lbs x 10 reps
    [Performance Rating: Below Average]

    Body Weight Pull Ups
    BW x 10 reps
    BW x 10 reps
    BW x 10 grueling reps
    [Performance Rating: Average]

    I'm almost hoping that nothing extraordinary happens in my next workout. It's uncharacteristic of me to provide PR numbers, because most of my logs are more volume based then intensity based.


    Must Read, Volcom gone socialist for a day.
    I want to bring another variable to light. I want to socialize my credit today and spread the wealth of praise. I can't rationalize today's gains. They were major to the point of disbelief, therefore, in my own way to make sense of it, I will socialize my credit.

    Immediately prior to this PRIME log, I spent 30 days in a hypertrophy phase with BLUE GENE, I then extended that hypertrophy phase another 30 days, with BLUE GENE + BLUE UP, I then extended that hypertrophy phase another 30 days with White Flood + DTHC/Sunami/Icariin-50. Therefore, PRIME may be a "prime" catalyst for these gains, but I spent plenty of time, tears and toil building a foundation for these new neuromuscular mechanisms to expound upon.

    In the natural order of things, I do make subtle weekly gains during a strength phase, but never to this degree. I'm a grown @$$ man with a real and currently irrationally busy life, I have no interests in fabricating anything for an internet board. I feel the need to reiterate this due to the negativity and ambiguity surrounding this product. FOR ME, it has exceeded expectations, though my expectations are rarely, prematurely set that high. I like to take it as it comes (no homo) and go with whatever my results are showing me.
    NSCA - CSCS

  14. All this Drol talk is making me Drool. I feel like I'm responding in an unnatural and hypersensitive way to PRIME. Depending on how week 2 and 3 goes, I might be content with PRIME as oppose to my premeditated H-drol, but I may consider other, more exciting avenues, depending.

    I've always wanted to try something SERM worthy, maybe I'll have outrageous results with H-drol if I'm responding this well to PRIME. I have mentioned a few times that I responded abnormally well to JW and 3-AD, both of which are universal gray listers, but I never saw results until day 7-10'ish. PRIME has set in, literally, almost fallaciously and unbelievably fast, which makes me scratch my head. This doesn't seem natural.
    NSCA - CSCS

  15. Quote Originally Posted by VolcomX311 View Post


    I almost feel guilty about posting my results today. I had a third oddly successful day and rather then going into details about the various mediating variables, I'll accredit my overwhelming results today to these top three markers:

    #1. 40% due to More "radical" neuromuscular enhancements taking place.
    #2. 30% due to new level of acquired LBM in the past 3 months of hypertophic lifting, producing new levels of strength.
    #3. 20% due to PRIME

    What about diet? Did you have an extremely high carb breakfast that could have provided a substantial amount of energy? No. I ate 3 black sesame cubes, literally, totaling 12g (good) fats, 30g carbs for my PRIME intake, didn't have time for a real breakfast, although I cooked one up. I had to run out the door to get to work on time. This was at 5:45am. I worked out at 8:30am with those same 3 cubes of black sesame. (it's a Chinese snack, we make all type of vegetables, seeds and nuts into snacks)

    BACK

    Lat Pull Downs - Wide, overhand
    250lbs x 10 [way the hell too easy this morning]
    290lbs x 10 reps [+20lbs All Time PR]
    295lbs x 8 reps [+25lbs All Time PR]
    300lbs x 6 reps [+30lbs All Time PR]
    [Yeah..... I have no words or rational explanation to justify this. I literally don't know what to say. I almost wanted to intentionally low ball my numbers due to my apprehension to report these gains.]
    [Performance Rating: New Waters]

    Lat Pull Downs - Close, underhand
    250lbs x 10 reps [+40lbs at this point of the workout PR]
    270lbs x 8 reps [+40lbs at this point of the workout PR]
    290lbs x 6 reps [+40lbs at this point of the workout PR]
    [I know... please understand that I'm a grown @$$ man that works at a Law Firm as a paralegal and as a practicing Strength & Conditioning Specialist at a Performance Facility and attending University and serving an internship at an internationally renowned facility for older adult health. I bring this up to emphasize that I have no care or concern about impressing anyone or making some kind of image for myself on an internet board, my life is too busy and too real to be making things up for whatever reason. These are my numbers and it is what it is.
    [Performance Rating: Excellent]

    Lat Pull Downs - Neutral grip
    250lbs x 8 reps [+20lbs at this point of the workout PR]
    250lbs x 7 reps [+20lbs at this point of the workout PR]
    250lbs x 6 reps [+20lbs at this point of the workout PR]
    [Performance Rating: Excellent]

    Hammer Lat Pulls
    180lbs x 10 reps
    200lbs 8 reps
    220lbs x 6 reps
    [Performance Rating: Average]

    Hammer Lat Pull Pulls - Behind The Neck
    180lbs x 10 reps
    180lbs x 10 reps
    180lbs x 10 reps
    [Performance Rating: Below Average]

    Body Weight Pull Ups
    BW x 10 reps
    BW x 10 reps
    BW x 10 grueling reps
    [Performance Rating: Average]

    I'm almost hoping that nothing extraordinary happens in my next workout. It's uncharacteristic of me to provide PR numbers, because most of my logs are more volume based then intensity based.


    Must Read, Volcom gone socialist for a day.
    I want to bring another variable to light. I want to socialize my credit today and spread the wealth of praise. I can't rationalize today's gains. They were major to the point of disbelief, therefore, in my own way to make sense of it, I will socialize my credit.

    Immediately prior to this PRIME log, I spent 30 days in a hypertrophy phase with BLUE GENE, I then extended that hypertrophy phase another 30 days, with BLUE GENE + BLUE UP, I then extended that hypertrophy phase another 30 days with White Flood + DTHC/Sunami/Icariin-50. Therefore, PRIME may be a "prime" catalyst for these gains, but I spent plenty of time, tears and toil building a foundation for these new neuromuscular mechanisms to expound upon.

    In the natural order of things, I do make subtle weekly gains during a strength phase, but never to this degree. I'm a grown @$$ man with a real and currently irrationally busy life, I have no interests in fabricating anything for an internet board. I feel the need to reiterate this due to the negativity and ambiguity surrounding this product. FOR ME, it has exceeded expectations, though my expectations are rarely, prematurely set that high. I like to take it as it comes (no homo) and go with whatever my results are showing me.

    I think you might just be a super responder, there was another guy who had similar results very early on Prime... Anyway it's a nice problem to have...
    Unremarkable is no way to go through life... Doug

  16. Wow.

    So you are transitioning to a strength building phase right now?

  17. Quote Originally Posted by DreamWeaver View Post
    I think you might just be a super responder, there was another guy who had similar results very early on Prime... Anyway it's a nice problem to have...
    Honestly, I feel a little bad. I've never had an "outrageous log" before. I've had successful ones, but not ones that make me question and second guess myself so much, due to the degree of the outlandishness. We'll see how next week goes. Perhaps I spoke too soon when I mentioned that the "radical" neuromuscular adjustments had already taken place.
    NSCA - CSCS

  18. Quote Originally Posted by Emerge View Post
    Wow.

    So you are transitioning to a strength building phase right now?
    I actually "started" about 3 weeks ago, but not full on. I would still hit the high numbers, 15+ reps and build up to 6-7 working sets, but my reps would drop as low as 6 reps by the end of the 6-7 sets, so it was an on the fence sort of thing. I progressively inclined toward heavier and heavier weights and less and less reps and sets as those 3 weeks wound down, which is why I thought I had made my "major" jumps already.
    NSCA - CSCS

  19. I started going "heavier" once I introduced the DTHC/Sunami/Icariin-50 in my White Flood CAPS log, but I was still doing the 4-6 sets avg., and my reps were 15-8, sometimes as low as 6. It was the two or three weeks post White Flood log that I really nailed down to the 10-6 reps, 3 sets, heavy, heavy routine.
    NSCA - CSCS

  20. What I find intriging though is the fact that you set some pretty agressive baselines and still your experiencing good jumps in strength... Yah next week is going to be interesting.
    Unremarkable is no way to go through life... Doug

  21. Sam, your seeing results, period. Stop being a 'doubting Thomas' (no poke at you there Viking! ) and just enjoy this ride! You're making me dizzy with all this second-guessing & rationalization of yourself!!

  22. Quote Originally Posted by snagency View Post
    Sam, your seeing results, period. Stop being a 'doubting Thomas' (no poke at you there Viking! ) and just enjoy this ride! You're making me dizzy with all this second-guessing & rationalization of yourself!!
    I'll do my best



    but no promises.
    NSCA - CSCS

  23. Quote Originally Posted by VolcomX311 View Post
    I'll do my best




    but no promises.

    Ahaaa.. carry on then, soldier..

  24. Quote Originally Posted by DreamWeaver View Post
    What I find intriging though is the fact that you set some pretty agressive baselines and still your experiencing good jumps in strength... Yah next week is going to be interesting.
    You and me both. I feel like I'm skewing the bell curve in an unnatural manner.
    NSCA - CSCS

  25. Quote Originally Posted by snagency View Post
    Sam, your seeing results, period. Stop being a 'doubting Thomas' (no poke at you there Viking! ) and just enjoy this ride! You're making me dizzy with all this second-guessing & rationalization of yourself!!
    Honestly, what Sam is expressing is pretty common! I have probably had double the amount of people express their thoughts about PRIME privately as opposed to publicly; unfortunately, the stigma built around PRIME seems to be causing many people to hesitate attributing any success they (if they have any) to the product. In my opinion, that is equally as unfortunate as individuals expressing biased positive results.

    I feel PRIME is a fascinating compound, and I wish the results could come to fruition in a more accepting environment - on both sides of the spectrum.
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