Religion and the Sauce.
- 06-07-2008, 05:23 PM
Religion and the Sauce.
So I am not religious at all, I consider myself agnostic, as I believe there are too many unanswered questions to make an educated decision on the subject of religion. I believe in a higher power, some things are just too ironic to be coincidence or luck, but I have no idea who/what that higher power really is.
I do however believe that is your COMPLETE RIGHT to have your own faith, and I support and respect you and your faith 100%.
What I am curious though, is how some of you guys felt about using juice and being religious at the same time. I noticed there are a lot of people of Faith on this board, and I have heard a few arguments from both sides of the story.
I have no opinion on the matter, it is a decision that everyone must make for themselves.
If this thread offends anyone, I'll be the first to apologize and take it down. I am just curious as to what you all feel about it.
PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE be respectful and courteous to the people posting on this thread, no flaming or arguing please. Just state your stance and why you think that, no religion bashing or anything of the such. If you aren't mature enough to handle that request, please just don't post.
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- 06-07-2008, 06:29 PM
Why would steroids, other than the fact that you are breaking the law, have anything to do with morality?
There is nothing inherently good or bad with most (I hesitate to say all, but yeah all) drugs - it is the actions and/or failure to control actions under the influence of said drugs that have moral value either way.Evolutionary Muse - Inspire to Evolve
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06-07-2008, 06:55 PM
06-07-2008, 07:19 PM
There's a group that goes by the name of Muscle Missions who teach that bodybuilding itself is a satanic cult. They have some amusing videos on youtube.
The bottom line is: People are very good at getting the bible to say whatever they want it to say. The bible doesn't mention steroids, just like it doesn't mention abortion, contraception or gambling. But that doesn't stop people turning these things into religious issues.
You can always consult the good book for moral guidance, but sooner or later you're gonna have to make up your own mind.
That would be my take on it anyway.
06-07-2008, 07:38 PM
06-07-2008, 08:23 PM
06-08-2008, 01:11 AM
i beleiv that god gave us our body , soul ,health, as gift, so that we should use it to worship him alone exclusively with no association to any other deity, " deity anthing that could be worshipped including your body"!, so to focus in place of roids in relegion, there is a simple rule! anything that bring bad hurt is a
sin cuz god gave us our body and its a real gift so that we should take care of it, use it in good way , now roids can be used it in safe way ...sumwhat! i think in that way it can be ok but there it comes another issue the intention ? WHY U WANNA USE ROIDS !"
WE ALL NOW IS TO PERFECT U R BODY, but why try to improve u r body! if u di that in order to get more woman aka to feed u r sexual apetite! than its sin , since it became a tool to commit sin. same if u do cycle that u sure it s gonna hurt u r health!,
in that case it ll be like smokin aka slow sucide since it s medically proved that it is poisoning and ll kill u ,so smoking is a sin!
now the whole bodybuilding cult, cuz it is a cult is satanic since u worshippe u r body u get obssesd with it, satan use as tool to get u lost and 4get bout the real prpose of life, cuz u ll live eat breath, work...ect even be sad cuz of u r muscles wich is worshiping it! dont ever 4get that satan use our weakness hide behind that to distract us and take us from the way of GOD!
ps: sorry for my english ! as it s not my 1st language!
06-08-2008, 01:44 AM
06-08-2008, 03:55 AM
I know a preacher who juiced. He admitted it was a little bit of a grey area b/c it was illegal, but he found it in himself to justify his juicing
06-08-2008, 04:03 AM
In the Havamal only mead (beer/booze) is directly mentioned, but it basically advises all things in moderation.
andOriginally Posted by the Havamal
and perhaps the most appropriate verseOriginally Posted by the Havamal
Being overly fond of any drug would be considered a vice IMO.Originally Posted by the Havamal
So, lucky me, no religious judgments as long as I'm responsible for myself.
06-08-2008, 04:11 AM
was a big part of politics, well, it just seems easy to have that particular passage added in. That's the only thing I can think of for christians that might make steroids seem inherently bad, because most are illegal.
06-08-2008, 09:02 AM
BTW, Romans 13 was almost certainly found in the original Greek manuscripts from which we get our modern English "commentaries" of the original scripture...it's probably at least in principle pretty accurate. Specifically, I think the passage in question concerned how Christians were to respond to persecution by the Roman gov...return good (obedience) for evil (persecution). The principle of that passage is alive and well, however, like I said, there is a cutoff point.
06-08-2008, 09:38 AM
:goodposting: It is true that Romans 13 was virtually unchanged during translation from Greek. I agree with that scripture but also feel that there is a point where the governing authorities have over stepped their bounds and fail to work for the good of the people. This is when it gets a little foggy, because we must make our own decision as to when to submit to their authority and when to defect.
06-08-2008, 01:05 PM
if u wanna look at the truth! we have get back to the roots!
1st jesus wasnt roman or greek
, the language that he used was aramaic ! wich is a semetic language as hebrew and arabic! i mean how can u know jesus message when u even doesnt know his real name! wich was yeshwa or yissa, since ther is no j in aramic, also as we know evry language got its won spirit or way of thinkin we have to understand the semetic way of thinking!
and finally the most important points jesus " peace be upon him" came with one unique bible and not Bibles " he dind came with many versions" king james...ect" , since te prophest is jesus not king james so i dont cared what king james says or translated!
and also he came with one unique gospel! so we have to look the gopel about GOD sent to jesus not about saul aka paul or any third part! since when u write letter u dont say letter according to! or about !
than u have to apply gods rules in teh way the prophets and his apostles did with their understood!
also the rule that we should obey teh ruler it applies only when the ruler is believer or known to be since we cant read ppl heart! only if his commends doesnt go agains gods rule! to avoid anarchy!
06-08-2008, 01:14 PM
Hearing all your views is really interesting. I appreciate everyone's insight and opinions. I also appreciate the fact that you all seem to have really thought about this question before answering. RESPECT!
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06-08-2008, 01:23 PM
06-08-2008, 02:21 PM
i dont see how any reasonable person these days can believe in god. with all that we know about the world and the advancement of reason, why chose to be ignorant and believe in god. i cant see why a person can go through life believing in god, when children can determine there is no santa clause. god and religion is the biggest ignorance of the modern world.
06-08-2008, 02:27 PM
This is where I have the most religious dissonance. Romans 13 jacks me up, because I can't wrap my mind around how it makes sense. To me, it's illogical, but maybe there's a bigger picture I'm not understanding.
I've juiced illegally in the past, and I didn't have much of a problem with it. It just doesn't feel wrong, doesn't cause conviction, etc... I really don't know how I should feel about it. I don't believe God has any problem with me doing steroids, whether they're illegal or not, that's the issue.
This is a good thread! OP, you deserve some reps.
06-08-2008, 02:30 PM
Big Iron killer: Well the thread was cool... I think that you are entitled to your opinion as am I. You don't see any of the christians putting you down for being an aethiest, or calling you ignorant. But instead of returning the favor and being gracious, you equate my faith in God to a child believing in santa clause. It certainly says alot about you.
06-08-2008, 03:30 PM
why does questioning you about religion make me a bad person. i would do the same if you said the world was flat. religion is not a pass that exempts you from questioning. and if you question me being an atheist it is perfectly fine because i can stand by my convictions and understand that not everyone thinks as i do. questions are what drive our society
06-08-2008, 03:40 PM
06-08-2008, 03:49 PM
well is was not my intention to say he was inferior to me, as i am far from perfect. and as to the ignorance comment, yes i did say that, but it was more of a broad statement to the god mindset of all people.
06-08-2008, 03:52 PM
06-08-2008, 03:59 PM
again, why is religion supposed to get a free pass. being politically correct is ruining this country. and this country may have been founded on the basis of god, but reason as some point must prevail. religious history is litered with death in the name of religion, but we for the most part have moved past that. relgion has made it a point to say that unbelievers are destined for hell and are outright sinners. religion sterotypes people the most of all.
06-08-2008, 04:02 PM
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