Halo 50 help

[tandemaxle]

Im taking my first halo 50 cycle need some help.....

1. When do i take the one tablet? i go to the gym in the evening between 5-6.

2. do i still take creatine? OR stop until pct?

3. i have anabolic inovations post cycle support and 6oxo extreme for pct do i take both at same time or do i take one then the other? Explain which to take and when ect... thanks

also i will be taking M stack while on the cycle for better protien synthesis and during pct i will add anobolic pump for more carbs, does this sound good?
thanks again

 

[Manimalia]

take the tab about one hour before you work out.
when/if you up it to 100mg, take one tab before/one after.

take creatine if you want, but it would be better used during PCT when you're "coming down" off that anabolic mountain.

take your PCS first for three-four weeks in a 4/4/2 or 4/4/4/2 fashion, dependent upon how long your cycle is and if you up it to 100mg. in the last week of PCS, drop in the 6oxo and taper it down in a 300/200/100 fashion or a 400/300/200/100 fashion, again, dependent on your cycle. you may not even need this long of a PCT, as this is a mild compound with sides and all.

anabolic pump for PCT is not a bad idea, as you will need to keep your cals up so as to make the muscle 'stick' to you. AP will help you get better absorption of them cals IMO.

***you seem like you're not in the know about even these simple things, and a lot of people after me will tell you to NOT run this compound, but i know people and their wants, and they always want what they want. i'm that way myself most times, so i don't blame you too much. be careful and don't just take our advice and say, "Hmmmmm, ok-That's what I'll do." Research more.

 

[tandemaxle]

i take a wieght gainer shake about an hour before my wrkout so will that still be ok?

 

[crazilyfter42]

take it on an empty stomach

 

[Ziquor]

Yeah take it on an empty stomach about 45 minutes before your workout. Also I'd STOP creatine while ON cycle and start it in PCT to help keep your gains. And honestly you don't need 6-OXO extreme and PCS both for PCT. The main ingredient in PCS is resveratrol and that's in the 6-OXO too, along with 6-OXO of course. Save the PCS for next cycle IMO.

 

[Ziquor]

i take a wieght gainer shake about an hour before my wrkout so will that still be ok?

Take the H-Drol then drink your shake after - not vice versa.

 

[Hyde12]

Everyone says to take it on an empty stomach, but from what I have read, you should take it with fat to ever further help the absorbtion. Maybe even take it with grapefruit juice.

 

[A_I_Sports_Nutrition]

If you run both the PCS and 6-oxo start the 6-oxo at the end and taper it down best of luck bro:dance:

 

[Ziquor]

Everyone says to take it on an empty stomach, but from what I have read, you should take it with fat to ever further help the absorbtion. Maybe even take it with grapefruit juice.

Anything that's 17a-methylated should be taken on an empty stomach. Nothing will enhance the absorbtion of 17a-methyls - not even GF juice. 17a-methyl's are already made for 100% oral bioavailability - hence the terror they have on the liver. Non methyls are a whole different story. Some non methyl's are best taken with fatty meals. And some other non-methyls are best taken on an empty tummy with GF juice due to it being a potent inhibitor of the Cytochrome_P450 enzyme CYP3A4, which can impact the metabolism of a variety of drugs metabolized by similar pathways.

"Drugs that may be have enhanced absorbtion from grapefruit juice include midazolam, ciclosporin, lovastatin, simvastatin, pravastatin, felodipine, sildenafil (Viagra) and caffeine, as well as a number of antihistamines including astemizole and terfenadine."

 

[Trauma1]

Anything that's 17a-methylated should be taken on an empty stomach. Nothing will enhance the absorbtion of 17a-methyls - not even GF juice. 17a-methyl's are already made for 100% oral bioavailability - hence the terror they have on the liver. Non methyls are a whole different story. Some non methyl's are best taken with fatty meals. And some other non-methyls are best taken on an empty tummy with GF juice due to it being a potent inhibitor of the Cytochrome_P450 enzyme CYP3A4, which can impact the metabolism of a variety of drugs metabolized by similar pathways.

True, but taking a methylated substance with or without food isn't going to effect its absorbed uptake. It's really preference overall.

Most of the non-methylated substances are lipophyllic(fat soluable), so you want to take in 15-20 grams of healthy fats with their ingestion to enhance absorbtion.

I see you've come a long way z, nice job.

 

[Trauma1]

Im taking my first halo 50 cycle need some help.....

1. When do i take the one tablet? i go to the gym in the evening between 5-6.

2. do i still take creatine? OR stop until pct?

3. i have anabolic inovations post cycle support and 6oxo extreme for pct do i take both at same time or do i take one then the other? Explain which to take and when ect... thanks

also i will be taking M stack while on the cycle for better protien synthesis and during pct i will add anobolic pump for more carbs, does this sound good?
thanks again

What dosing are you taking the halo at?

It's important that you're keeping a stable level of the compound in your blood throughout the day. Setting this up is largely dependent upon your current dosing.

I agree with taking a dose 45min-1 hour pre-workout, but you need to make sure you're having a dose or doses around it that are keeping a stable concentration of the compound. By not doing that your letting your hormone levels rise and fall inhibiting gains.

I'll see if i can dig up my old halo cycle to help you set it up.

Found it:

http://anabolicminds.com/forum/cycle-info/45467-trauma1-s-halo.html?highlight=trauma1's+halo/m-tst

 

[Ziquor]

True, but taking a methylated substance with or without food isn't going to effect its absorbed uptake. It's really preference overall.

Most of the non-methylated substances are lipophyllic(fat soluable), so you want to take in 15-20 grams of healthy fats with their ingestion to enhance absorbtion.

I see you've come a long way z, nice job.

Thank dude! I got what your sayin. But I usually use the empty stomach thing because I'm afraid of anything else (other supps or chemicals in food) possibly interfering even if just a little (yeah I'm paranoid kinda guy). But I see your point - 17a methyls keep the drug from being destroyed by the liver by keeping them constantly passing through the bloodstream until the chemical is all absorbed. Is this correct T?

 

[Trauma1]

Thank dude! I got what your sayin. But I usually use the empty stomach thing because I'm afraid of anything else (other supps or chemicals in food) possibly interfering even if just a little (yeah I'm paranoid kinda guy). But I see your point - 17a methyls keep the drug from being destroyed by the liver by keeping them constantly passing through the bloodstream until the chemical is all absorbed. Is this correct T?

Yes it allows it to survive the first pass metabolism effect of the liver and enter the blood intact. Anytime you orally ingest a medication it is absorbed through your intestines into the portal circulation where the liver exhibits that first pass effect.

If the substance wasn't methylated to prevent this the bioavailibility would be poor and not much of the active would reach the blood stream at all.

 

[tandemaxle]

i will be taking 1 table 50 mg.

when do i take my wieght gainer?
or do i just hold off and take my torent post protein after?

im thinking that i will just take a whey shake about an hour and thirty mins before then take the halo 45 min before?
or should i take a wieght gainer 2hrs before or???????

also PCT what ive got in mind is:
start the PCS dosing from high to low for about 3 weeks then
6oxo extreme for about 3 weeks with the same dosing high to low.
let me know what dosages i should be taking for both pcs and 6oxo.

thanks

 

[Ziquor]

i will be taking 1 table 50 mg.

when do i take my wieght gainer?
or do i just hold off and take my torent post protein after?

im thinking that i will just take a whey shake about an hour and thirty mins before then take the halo 45 min before?
or should i take a wieght gainer 2hrs before or???????

also PCT what ive got in mind is:
start the PCS dosing from high to low for about 3 weeks then
6oxo extreme for about 3 weeks with the same dosing high to low.
let me know what dosages i should be taking for both pcs and 6oxo.

thanks

Halo's so mild I'd run the 6-oxo at 300/200/200/100. Actually they did some studies I have a link to that showed 300mg/day of 6-OXO increased testosterone 6% MORE than 600mg/day. Lowest effective dose is always key. As for dosing Halo 45 min prior to your workout the timing of the shake isn't critical as T1 pointed out. I'd personally take the Halo 45 min before - and wash it down with the shake. I usually eat oatmeal about 45 minutes before each workout with my protein shake to provide slow digesting carbs throughout the workout.

 

[tandemaxle]

so no need for the pcs just 6oxo also its 6oxo extreme and how many pills is that 300/200/200/100?
thabks

 

[Ziquor]

so no need for the pcs just 6oxo also its 6oxo extreme and how many pills is that 300/200/200/100?
thabks

If it's 6-oxo extreme I'd run it like such: # of capsules - 4/3/2/1 and I'd keep taking 1/day at the end cause you'd only have a few left over anyhow. And as I mentioned 6-oxo extreme has 6-oxo plus ZMA plus all the ingredients of Post Cycle Support minus the horny goat weed. I'd personally save the PCS for a future cycle.

 

[tandemaxle]

ok great thanks everyone.

 

[Ziquor]

Good luck - are you doing a log? I'd like to see another Halo log.