Epistane/Havoc is a strange compound...

[aspire210]

After all the reviews, I put my opinions aside and decided to try this stuff. I started at 10 for a few days, then 20, then 30. Now, ive been on 40mg for about a week. After about a month this is what I have noticed:

Pros: Little to no shutdown. Seriously, its ridiculous. I'm practically levitating over my bed when I wake up. I'd taken viagra that wasn't this strong. The boys are hanging low and full every morning as well. They actually look bigger now then pre-cycle. Positive aggression is WAAAY up. I'm taking 20mg Pre-Wo and the pumps are crazy, so is the intensity and focus. I truly feel amazing all day. Confidence is through the roof as well, all around well being is better than a test cycle, for me. Basically, no sides at all for me.

Cons: No visible anti-e help. I'll chalk the LH stim up to this, but no "puffines" reduction. Moderate gains, at best. Diet is pretty well in place for a decent cut. I've been leaning out pretty well, but nothing better than I couldn't do naturally. Recovery wasn't up at all, until i hit the 40mg mark, now its a ton better. Not sure why this last 10mg made such a huge impact. So far its been like anavar, but without the crazy vascularity, fat loss and strength gains.

This is not the result I was expecting at all. I think it makes a great addition to a cycle to balance out sides, but it lacks anything real on its own. The one thing I don't get is how reviews are all over the place on this compound. I've heard it being an amazing bulker with water weight gain, to it being dry as a piece of sand paper in the Sahara. Anyone else had similar lackluster results? I know pp wasn't impressed either, as i've read his posts on going up to 60mgs.

 

[pistonpump]

After all the reviews, I put my opinions aside and decided to try this stuff. I started at 10 for a few days, then 20, then 30. Now, ive been on 40mg for about a week. After about a month this is what I have noticed:

Pros: Little to no shutdown. Seriously, its ridiculous. I'm practically levitating over my bed when I wake up. I'd taken viagra that wasn't this strong. The boys are hanging low and full every morning as well. They actually look bigger now then pre-cycle. Positive aggression is WAAAY up. I'm taking 20mg Pre-Wo and the pumps are crazy, so is the intensity and focus. I truly feel amazing all day. Confidence is through the roof as well, all around well being is better than a test cycle, for me. Basically, no sides at all for me.

Cons: No visible anti-e help. I'll chalk the LH stim up to this, but no "puffines" reduction. Moderate gains, at best. Diet is pretty well in place for a decent cut. I've been leaning out pretty well, but nothing better than I couldn't do naturally. Recovery wasn't up at all, until i hit the 40mg mark, now its a ton better. Not sure why this last 10mg made such a huge impact. So far its been like anavar, but without the crazy vascularity, fat loss and strength gains.

This is not the result I was expecting at all. I think it makes a great addition to a cycle to balance out sides, but it lacks anything real on its own. The one thing I don't get is how reviews are all over the place on this compound. I've heard it being an amazing bulker with water weight gain, to it being dry as a piece of sand paper in the Sahara. Anyone else had similar lackluster results? I know pp wasn't impressed either, as i've read his posts on going up to 60mgs.

with the pros i was thinking you were loving this stuff full on. Id say our experiences were about the same. Are you still on cycle? Id suggest going up 10mg each week or if you intend on stopping soon then try 60mg for a bit. Even at higher doses i feel the toxicity begins to set in, shutdown is still mild but at high doses its not much of a compound (cramping becomes a prob). I did get it to break up the gyno gland a bit while using it for 8weeks. Im with you, i trip out on people gaining 10-15lbs on this stuff, i cant see how lol. I did get nice strength gains and good pump with some vascularity but very little mass. I was wondering myself if it was similiar to var from what ive heard and read.

 

[pistonpump]

btw what brand are you using?

 

[aspire210]

btw what brand are you using?

started with epi, ran a full bottle, been on havoc for like 3 days now. maybe theyre different? maybe one was degraded in heat in transport, i don't know. I wasn't gonna stir that pot of controversy back up. I think I found a good use for this stuff though. Seems to have some anabolic properties and more importantly, it has a weird LH boosting feeling to it. I might use it as a landing gear going into pct from now on. 20mg for a week, then 10mg for a week, then pct. I know, I'm a horrible human being for suggesting such a crazy idea, the mods should definitely ban me now.

btw had to drop your name cuz i was reading your post about it yesterday, figured maybe I was crazy until then.

 

[mattikus]

Ha I've thought about using it as "landing gear" as well. The first time I did Epi I combined it with other ph's and gained 11 pounds of solid muscle. Good stacker IMO. When I used it alone I had the same results you describe. Basically felt great, good pumps, slight strength gain, and a minimal gain in LBM. Your anavar comparison was right on the money. I too think it is a little hyped, but I still like it.

 

[Gutterpump]

PP, how long did it take for the cramping to subdue?

 

[matthew]

I'm now going into week six pulsing Epithin E and my results are pretty much the same.
Week 1 was 20mg eod
Weeks 2 and 3 were 30mgs eod
Weeks 4 and 5 were 40mgs eod
I'm thinking of going to 50mgs eod for the next 2 weeks because although my strength gains have been huge,I've gained nowhere near the mass I was expecting.
I think there is a slight leaning effect just starting.
The passed week seems to have been slightly better with the higher dose possibly starting to kick in a bit. My arms and chest feel a bit fuller,hopefully bigger but I'm not going to measure until the end of the cycle. Body weight is up about 3 or 4 LBs.
If I'm going to do Epi again, It will have to be a regular cycle of probably 40mgs ed. Ive really not had the results I was hoping for from this pulse but the mass might still come in the next 3 weeks.
As for sides,I've had absolutely none.
Any thoughts guys on the idea of upping the dose to 50 or even 60mgs eod.
Cheers
Matt

 

[pistonpump]

PP, how long did it take for the cramping to subdue?

it stopped when i dropped down to 60mg....i was up higher but id rather not say how high haha.

 

[Gutterpump]

Yeah for me it started after doing 2 weeks of 60mg. I stopped altogether about 5 days ago and still sort of feel like I've been taking clen lol. Been trying to take in extra magnesium, potassium, taurine. Not fun doing leg extensions when your calf locks into a tight spasm. Hoping it stops soon.

 

[pistonpump]

Yeah for me it started after doing 2 weeks of 60mg. I stopped altogether about 5 days ago and still sort of feel like I've been taking clen lol. Been trying to take in extra magnesium, potassium, taurine. Not fun doing leg extensions when your calf locks into a tight spasm. Hoping it stops soon.

i didnt get it that bad. Maybe you dont have enough sodium in your diet? idk. sorry