Pro steroids and lawsuits
01-09-2008 12:38 AM
Pro steroids and lawsuits
i remember when i took M1T back a few years ago and that stuff was harsh man. it threw my hormones out of whack, my cholesterol was funked up, my hair was thinner and still is, my liver enzymes were screwed. on my bottle of M1T there was no warning label, there was no list of potential side effects. now i am not the kind of guy to sue over coffee i spilled on myself cuz i already knew it was hot, but i was in a local supplement store and the guy behind the counter was recommending it and selling it to anybody as a supplement that really works. I mean guys that look like they work out once a mont and eat burger king everyday. It seems like these companies that sell prosteroids are just asking for trouble and a massive lawsuit to come there way. i was just curios if this has happened or if it is even possible?
01-09-2008 02:18 AM
who are you gonna sue? Some defunct, or fly by night supplement company that is an LLC.
Probably no assets other than some raw powder and a capping machine.
You have to prove financial damage which may be tough, getting any money from them might be tougher.
Lawyers don't like taking on targets that have no assets.
01-09-2008 08:47 AM
I hate local morons who work at the local supp. stores. I went a few years ago on a normal basis just to ask the guys who worked there what would work. Neither of them work their anymore. I bet it's because they always told people the truth and didn't cell all that B/S **** the store wanted them to. One competed in NPC bb shows and the powerlifter competed in a usapl meets. I trusted those guys and would have bought whatever they told me to.... Now there are over tanned , skin sagging, thinning hair, middle age women working there and I haven't been in there since.
If anything you may have more luck getting money from the store then the company that makes the product.
01-09-2008 01:32 PM
You should sue whomever put those products into your body without knowing what they were doing.
Oh wait, that was you...
01-09-2008 01:49 PM
Actually if a company is having their products sold by a brick & mortar retailer like GNC or Max Muscle, then the company has to carry around $1 million in product liability insurance for situations like that. Should be quite a lot more to sue for than a capping machine....
01-09-2008 01:52 PM
M1T is a steroid. It would be illegal for them to be selling it retail, and as well, illegal for you to be purchasing it.
01-09-2008 04:09 PM
Well a few years ago it wasn't illegal but I never remember it being sold in GNC's either.
01-09-2008 04:29 PM
Yes, if he was talking about in the past then it was not. I have a hard time understanding people when they do not capitalize and use run on sentences.
01-09-2008 05:23 PM
sometimes if you think you have a lot to say and you think its important even if you would normally capitalize or use some sort of punctuation you have to skip it because if you do that it will slow you down too much and you cant get everything out that you wanted to say because youre thinking more about where the comma is on the keyboard than all the fun stuff you want to get out and it really doesnt matter if you have done any research or not you just buy a bottle of pills and take them and hope for the best but really if it doesnt work out it cant be your own fault for doing something stupid because it doesnt work like that in america if something goes wrong and money changed hands it is automatically somebody elses fault and they can be therefore sued for it but that doesnt really have to do with the run on sentences part of things i was just explaining that in addition because it sort of relates to it in a way if you think about it <PERIOD>.
Originally Posted by B5150
In my head, it sounds like the guy from the old Micro Machines commercials
01-09-2008 05:31 PM
<insert big gasp of breath sound>
01-09-2008 05:54 PM
01-10-2008 07:06 AM
the place where i saw it being sold was at a local supplement store. the guy that owned it was a roided out indian guy. but yes this was a few years ago.
i noticed the comment that said it is my fault for doing M1T without knowing what i was doing. i knew what i was doing. i wasnt talking about me. the problem i saw was that the companies that were selling M1T from Legal Gear all the way to VPX would put no information on their product about the potential side effects. of course anabolicminds members know about these side effects but imagine you are some regular Joe that walks into a supplement store wanting to buy some supplements cuz you want to get serious about your routine. you pick the product of the shelf and you read the label and it looks good to you so you take it and **** yourself up. the fact that there was no warnings on the label kind of screwed you over.
believe it or not alot of people think that the stuff you get in supplement stores is alot of stuff that is good for you.
01-11-2008 12:40 AM
Originally Posted by dynomite
Do you think the slowest elk in the pack can sue when it gets eaten by the lion? Of course not - it's natural selection. Of course someone like a regular joe could walk in and **** themselves up. The hope is that his HPTA will be permanently shut down and he will never breed, and next generation will be "slightly better than average Joes".
If you take **** without knowing what you're doing, then that's the kind of thing that can happen. And if you take a product without knowing what the chemicals in it do, then guess what, you're gonna learn one way or another
Sorry to sound cold blooded - I am just a firm believer in evolution and personal responsibility. Neither idea is very popular these days.
01-11-2008 01:18 AM
Sounds like today's typical American; doesn't want to take personal responsibility for their actions, so they go and try to blame someone else.
01-11-2008 03:05 AM
OK ok ok you guys may be taking this a bit far but there is a line.
A person that is responsible for helping you attain your HEALTH goals should not be offering hardcore steroids to new users or even users that know what they are doing without letting know what they are getting into. As well they should be guiding them on what they need to do to stay safe.
Now if he said " hey wanna buy some sh!t that will make you huuuuyoooj, but kill your liver?" and you said "sure thing mr.big.indian.muscle.guy." then yes it's your fault.
*Note* always study and research whatever you are thinking of taking before taking it!
I have a similar story, a guy at my local supp store offered me M1T after me telling him I wanted to get big. Thankfully I had already studied about it here. Plus it was $100 a bottle ...pfff.
01-11-2008 10:26 AM
yeah i think you guys sound harsh. no one told them it was bad for them. how is a guy supposed to know if the expert tells him the stuff is good to go. not everybody knows about anabolicminds.com. you type in M1T into a search engine and the first 150 hits are probably stores selling the stuff and saying how great it is.
look at the products that are out there right now. products made with supposed cutting edge ingredients. do you know what they are really doing to your body???? i looked at the back of a bottle the other day and i was amazed at the amount of chemicals that were in them. even NO explode there are warning labels.
in my opinion a company should be liable if they are selling a potentially dangerous product without sufficient directions (ie liver protection, PCT) and warning labels of possible side effects. i mean even aspirin has that.
01-11-2008 11:45 AM
While I agree with this in theory. I have found that the very people that SHOULD be reading labels, NEVER DO. Dumb people never do.
in my opinion a company should be liable if they are selling a potentially dangerous product without sufficient directions (ie liver protection, post cycle therapy) and warning labels of possible side effects. i mean even aspirin has that.
Face it these are gray market products, if the manufacturers we're to reveal too much about them in the labels, then they might draw too much attention to the products.
Sounds weird but its' true.
Most people think that supplements are generally bunk. They have no idea that there are effective legal PH's that really work. If the general public really did have a clue, they would be off the market in no time.
01-11-2008 01:06 PM
yeah but if there was a warning label then they would no longer be liable or at least they shouldnt be in my opinion.
01-13-2008 08:57 AM
Let's settle this thing
Ok look I agree whith both sides here.
1. Yes you should of did more research on this and any other product before taking them.
2. Yes the company should of posted something about it on there product for the public to read.
Now reallity. Look even if the comp did put something on there product would you still have taken it? I mean, it was mentioned above about the NO products have warring labels on there stuff, so does that mean don't take them? Or does it mean that take caution because the company can't speak for every individual out there who might take their product and have a bad side? Even back then some PH's had those warrings and still everybody took them, so its kinda hard to argue that and it really does come to you. If you did take it court one of the questions would be like this, "Who held you down and forced this horrible product inot your mouth day after day for weeks on end?". So I don't forsee you winning that one.
01-13-2008 09:04 AM
Also the other thing is, that even if you didn't know about http://anabolicminds.com you could of always asked around at the gym, other shops, etc... Or just old fashion reading up on it would of helped out a lot and I'm not talking about other web pages of supplements, more like an ask.com or wikipedia.com type of page. What I'm trying to say and what I believe everybody else is trying to say is, TAKE RESPONSIBILTY FOR YOUR OWN ACTIONS. YOU BOUGHT IT, YOU TOOK IT AND YOU DID NOT DO EVERYTHING IN YOUR POWER TO INFO YOURSELF ABOUT IT PRIOR TO USE. ALL = YOUR FAULT.
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