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    Best Prohormone for Just Straight Massive Size???


    i know superdrol puts on a lot of size, but i can't handle the side effects. besides superdrol, which prohormone will put on the most size. i am going to do a massive bulk cycle with a prohormone. i dont care how i look. water weight is fine as long as i get big. i can then diet and cut down to get a grainy look. any ideas like phera plex or m1, 4add? once again dont care about apperance or strength, just overall mass and size.
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    id say phera-plex bro. maybe throw some epistane in. how many mgs of superdrol did u run?
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    Quote Originally Posted by P4D2A022 View Post
    id say phera-plex bro. maybe throw some epistane in. how many mgs of superdrol did u run?
    The best bulking combo I've seen used is M14ADD and superdrol... I know that sounds insane, but it's been done quite a bit out of the public eye. IMO m1,4add is NOT wet and nothing like running methandrostenelone, but it is however a fair bulker in it's own rights.
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    CEL just came out with a clone. great price too!
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    Quote Originally Posted by P4D2A022 View Post
    CEL just came out with a clone. great price too!
    Ya I agree, that price is right for sure.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RisingAgainst View Post
    The best bulking combo I've seen used is M14ADD and superdrol... I know that sounds insane, but it's been done quite a bit out of the public eye. IMO m1,4add is NOT wet and nothing like running methandrostenelone, but it is however a fair bulker in it's own rights.
    What kind of dosing would you recommend for the M,1-4ADD, when its not stacked with SD, for someone sittin at 185lbs.
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    where u at shredded!?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ozarkaBRAND View Post
    What kind of dosing would you recommend for the M,1-4ADD, when its not stacked with superdrol, for someone sittin at 185lbs.
    Depends on the dosage you get per cap... but 120mgs + would be my minimum recommendation to a 'moderately experienced hormone user with a minimum of 3 cycles under his belt and a comprehensive knowledge of anabolics, their function and how to restore hpta function and bring the body back to homeostasis" if you don't fit in that category, then 90mgs will do you good.
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    how much % does it convert to dbol again?
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    Quote Originally Posted by P4D2A022 View Post
    how much % does it convert to dbol again?
    Some argue 15%, I personally don't feel that way, but I will reserve my opinions on m1,4add to save face and prevent arguements.
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    ooh ok. well good idea then brother! it seems interesting, but ill just stick to the king for orals.. SD
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    Quote Originally Posted by P4D2A022 View Post
    ooh ok. well good idea then brother! it seems interesting, but ill just stick to the king for orals.. superdrol
    now.. by superdrol you meant poisondrol right? hehehe (just giving you a hard time, albeit superdrol is rat poison )
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    haha i know, i know. its just so damn effective. m1t is the king of rat poison!
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    Quote Originally Posted by P4D2A022 View Post
    haha i know, i know. its just so damn effective. m1t is the king of rat poison!
    ahem... sd is more toxic than m1t contrary to everyone's misinformed beliefs.
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    Havoc and m 1,4
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    Quote Originally Posted by RisingAgainst View Post
    ahem... superdrol is more toxic than m1t contrary to everyone's misinformed beliefs.
    is it really??? i thought m1t was. what about on a mg per mg basis?
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    Quote Originally Posted by P4D2A022 View Post
    is it really??? i thought m1t was. what about on a mg per mg basis?
    Even so, the side effects may not be as pronounced, but the damage done to your internals is far beyond m1t.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jayhawkk View Post
    Havoc and m 1,4
    Have you done this one bro? (I haven't been around enough to know of any logs, if there some if you wouldnt mind pointing me in their direction.... ) That's an interesting combo.
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    havoc and m1,4 sounds like an interesting stack
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    what kindof results are expected from m1,4? been hearing alot of buzz but never researched it yet. is it a methyl? anyone run it? wondering how an epi and m1,4 stack would be. although sd stacked with anything sounds good my main goal is to gain size. want to get up to 225 and SHREDDED.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kingofthechiba View Post
    what kindof results are expected from m1,4? been hearing alot of buzz but never researched it yet. is it a methyl? anyone run it? wondering how an epi and m1,4 stack would be. although superdrol stacked with anything sounds good my main goal is to gain size. want to get up to 225 and SHREDDED.
    M1,4add isn't bad.. but it's not on my "to-do list"... (methyl 1,4ad)... yes it's methylated. Personally, unless you have a lot of experience, don't stack it with epistane (another methyl)....
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    I'm on the stack and I love it. Today was chest day and I hit 315 on the flat bench for two sets. 13 reps set 1 and 8 reps set 2. Most i've ever done was 315x8. I've also done 420x2 on this cycle.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RisingAgainst View Post
    ahem... superdrol is more toxic than m1t contrary to everyone's misinformed beliefs.
    your proof of this is....?
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    haha damn i thought i was good with my 315x1, granted i weigh 175 still thats some bigggg weight.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aspire210 View Post
    your proof of this is....?
    Sec I'll post some info on it, I *personally* don't have access to the bloodwork done, but it's proven, and SD was considered lighter because not a lot of people ran both and had bloodwork done, I know SLOW-MUN has bloodwork as well... but yes, it's common knowledge now that m1t isnt as harsh as SD in terms of toxicity, and that only the side effects were harsher.
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    <= starting to rethink SD run and maybe switch to P-plex by CEL. Is PP more dry though and need joint support?
    sorry not try in to jack
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    Mods, if a link to my own forum isn't allowed, please let me know, it's not a competitive forum, just an information resource, no store involved.

    *edited until I get confirmation*


    Now if you read that thread, you'll see a part of what I'm talking about.

    Anyways, the thread I was planning on posting gives more than enough factual evidence on how people's ignorance on methylated prohormones (not trying to push the term 'ignorant' around, just making a statement about everybody's knowledge in 04) was soo high, that people had no idea what to do with them. Bloodwork has shown that SD is far more hepatoxic and destructive than m1t, but broscience has proven that m1t has harsher side effects... in the end, my conclusion is to run neither.
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    Quote Originally Posted by solomon1979 View Post
    I'm one of the very few who had bloodwork done after both M1-T and SD. I'm also one of the few that had more negative bloodwork results on SD than any other Methyl that I've ran. After M1-T, I had slightly elevated liver values, and my cholesterol was through the roof. After SD, I had elevated liver values, cholesterol was through the roof, and I was hypertensive. This wouldn't seem so significant, except for the fact that I was on zero support supplements while on M-1T and on several for SD. I'd post the actual labs, but I can't find my M1-T and I'd have tear my closet apart looking for the SD results. If I come across them I'll post them this weekend(I have some cleaning to do anyhow).
    Quote Originally Posted by leonidas300 View Post
    I think m1t was much more suppressive than Superdrol, but the toxicity was greatly exaggerated after the ban. Actually superdrol was released right before the ban and was touted as being m1t with no sides or suppression, well that did not work at so well. I agree that there has been a bit of a domino effect and people passing on misinformation that has contributed to m1t's pariah status among orals. I am not exagerrating but at one point several years ago it seemed as if half the city I live in was running m1t above the recommended dosage for extensive periods of time and though I do not blood levels to verify this, but they all seem fine. This was before the internet forums really took off and no one had a clue what PCT was, yet I have yet to see a single case of m1t liver damage, i have seen several with Superdrol.
    Quote Originally Posted by dinoiii View Post
    Well, this is a comparison of a 2nd generation PH/PS/DeS (M1T) with 4th generation ones (SD, PP), so I think that these items being the "first methyls" is a bit of a challenge estimate outside of M1T.

    In order of ranges from what we have seen in hepatotoxicity in the labs and via imaging (though data is far from complete)...the order from MOST toxic to LEAST toxic of this particular subset is:

    SD > PP > M1T

    I maintain that I think SD was a terrible addition to the OTC PH lot for reasons I got VERY in-depth about on DA in the past...right down to a molecular discussion that 99.9% of the populace likely didn't understand due to its complexity. There are people that will contest SD is less toxic when compared to M1T, but this is usually attributed to the fact that SD remains legal (albeit quite gray) and is still marketable AND THAT ALONE!

    Now, there is ONE essential caveat to speak of and I certainly DO VERY MUCH RECOGNIZE IT while attempting to maintain objectivity (a rarity in this particular subsector of the market). And that is when there were talks of the ban of 2004...many M1T products on the market did NOT meet label claims (although supporters of M1T still suggest that SD and PP and various clones too aren't meeting label claims to this day; so this may be a completely moot point) when tested independently (by 3rd party sources).

    Liver agents are again a potential detriment to efficacy when used concurrently with PH/PS/DeS/AAS and I continue to suggest separation of dosing parameter as I have discussed many times in the past which offers about a 4-hour separation (allowing for likely a couple liver passes prior to liver agent ingestion for increasing glutathione stores and/or promotion of 2nd pass glucuronidation, etc....).

    Suggestion maintained looks as follows:

    8am: 1st PH dose
    12pm: 1st liver supp dose
    4pm: 2nd PH dose (if employed)
    8pm: 2nd liver supp dose (if employed)

    -or- some variation on that theme but a separation of 4 hours based on half-lives etc... of many oral agents. We have got a grasp on this through in-house studies to a less degree than cortisol control in the post-cycle realm. Many results will be published in books VERY shortly (or alternatively...member-specific areas of my website forthcoming). Many PH studies will UNFORTUNATELY NOT make peer-review due to their nature and the challenges faced in both the ethical domain as well as IRB convincing (and this is par for the course...but still pertinent when it comes to hepatic insult).


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    Quotes from other people prove absolutely nothing. ONE guy said it was worse for HIM. It really is a personal thing for these products. Also, do you really believe PP/dmt is worse than m1t? That statement alone makes me want to not believe him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aspire210 View Post
    Quotes from other people prove absolutely nothing. ONE guy said it was worse for HIM. It really is a personal thing for these products. Also, do you really believe PP/dmt is worse than m1t? That statement alone makes me want to not believe him.
    That's because you learned everything you know in a way that everybody believed and have never heard otherwise.. the simple fact is, it's true.. toxicity wise.. side wise, of course not.. we arent talking about side effects, just toxicity.. side wise, m1t takes the cake, hands down. Like I said I don't have access to the bloodwork itself, but it has been done and has been proven that m1t isnt as toxic as our favorite di-methyl substance... that's a take it or leave thing for you I suppose, either way, we can agree to disagree and maintain our own beliefs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aspire210 View Post
    Quotes from other people prove absolutely nothing. ONE guy said it was worse for HIM. It really is a personal thing for these products. Also, do you really believe PP/dmt is worse than m1t? That statement alone makes me want to not believe him.
    Dinoii is a pretty credible source imo considering his background with supps and his MEDICAL DEGREE. The guy is an MD meaning he is pretty knowledgeable and is not just going to spit out a random bs opinion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by coug42 View Post
    Dinoii is a pretty credible source imo considering his background with supps and his MEDICAL DEGREE. The guy is an MD meaning he is pretty knowledgeable and is not just going to spit out a random bs opinion.
    My buddy Dana isn't to well known around these parts Coug, I'm not going to sit and argue the point, like I had stated, it's a take it or leave it thing.. I trust Solo and D's word more than most anybody's as far as forums go... but that doesn't mean I just believe everything they say either, I research everything for myself, albeit I don't mark down things I read for future references, I do retain knowledge quite well. Dr. D is big on this forum and knows Dinoiii quite well, maybe he can chime in, who knows.
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    many users report worse levels with superdrol while many report worse bloodwork with m1t. depends who you are. they are both very harsh..the dyslipidemia is reported worse with superdrol but ive seen the liver values worse with m1t..more often than not. once again, everyone is different.

    as far as epistane..i think it's the most overrated prosteroid on the market..didnt do anything for me but give me sides..i know many others that feel the same way
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    I have never used M1T. I used superdrol and by day 5 my bloodpressure went from 115/68 to 145/90. Lethargy, acne, and too much fat gain was my downfall for superdrol dosed at 20mg for 15 days and had to end it because of blood pressure issues. Never had any issues with it before.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom 185 View Post
    as far as epistane..i think it's the most overrated prosteroid on the market..didnt do anything for me but give me sides..i know many others that feel the same way
    You still complaining about your Epi run.Come on get over it already.


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    I know Doctors that swear creatine is a steroid...That being said, they would be the one's I would tend to believe over others. I have bloodwork that says Superdrol is less harsh than M1T. the next person may have some showing it different. Don't forget the other factors here. Diet, previous medical conditions, previous stresses on the organs, dose,length of cycle, alcohol consumption, etc etc.

    1,2-10 bloodwork panels is better than none but it isn't proof positive of anything. It is a great benchmark though, as long as the people providing the information is up front and honest with their results and all their personal information and are not biased.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shreddedkid11 View Post
    i know superdrol puts on a lot of size, but i can't handle the side effects. besides superdrol, which prohormone will put on the most size. i am going to do a massive bulk cycle with a prohormone. i dont care how i look. water weight is fine as long as i get big. i can then diet and cut down to get a grainy look. any ideas like phera plex or m1, 4add? once again dont care about apperance or strength, just overall mass and size.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jayhawkk View Post
    I know Doctors that swear creatine is a steroid...That being said, they would be the one's I would tend to believe over others. I have bloodwork that says Superdrol is less harsh than M1T. the next person may have some showing it different. Don't forget the other factors here. Diet, previous medical conditions, previous stresses on the organs, dose,length of cycle, alcohol consumption, etc etc.

    1,2-10 bloodwork panels is better than none but it isn't proof positive of anything. It is a great benchmark though, as long as the people providing the information is up front and honest with their results and all their personal information and are not biased.
    The real answer is that they both **** you all up, and if you are looking for "safety" neither one fits that bill
  

  
 

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