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Why exactly is Tren so toxic if it's not 17-aa?

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I am not sure why its so toxic but 17-aa affect your liver while tren, I believe, affects your kidneys more. Tren is not 17-aa.
 
fina is incredibly anabolic and androgenic on a mg per mg basis. you are getting a ton of bang per mg in other words.

it has pronounced effects on aldosterone, t3 levels, seratonin levels, the HPTA, and sebaceous glands. in other words, its the ****. its the gear of the gods
 
jomi822 said:
fina is incredibly anabolic and androgenic on a mg per mg basis. you are getting a ton of bang per mg in other words.

it has pronounced effects on aldosterone, t3 levels, seratonin levels, the HPTA, and sebaceous glands. in other words, its the ****. its the gear of the gods
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This is true... the fact is, if you had methylated tren... you'd be dosing in micrograms and it would still be near fatal... Tren is great for an injectable, but when it comes to the oral world, it's best left out. Even methoxy bonded "tren" precursors are liver damaging to a high extent.
 
RisingAgainst said:
This is true... the fact is, if you had methylated tren... you'd be dosing in micrograms and it would still be near fatal... Tren is great for an injectable, but when it comes to the oral world, it's best left out. Even methoxy bonded "tren" precursors are liver damaging to a high extent.
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Says who?
 
RisingAgainst said:
This is true... the fact is, if you had methylated tren... you'd be dosing in micrograms and it would still be near fatal... Tren is great for an injectable, but when it comes to the oral world, it's best left out. Even methoxy bonded "tren" precursors are liver damaging to a high extent.
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1- Anabolic dose of Metribolone is 1mg. And it will make you a yellow cadaver after a few weeks of continuous use.

2- Trenbolone has a slight toxicity, as do ALL anabolic steroids. That's right they are are acutely toxic. Due to the high androgenic ratio, it is more toxic than test, ect.

3- Methoxy Tren is not a tren precursor. It is an active steroid. You'd have a better chance splitting the legs of a celebate than splitting the H3C-O bond. Is your information on it's toxicity based on substantial data, or mere hearsay? I was under the impression that due to the fact that it's much more closely related to trenbase/tren ace than methyltren (look at bond angles) it wasn't so bad on liver values.

Me still love you long time. I'm just not in 100% agreement with what's been said.
 
thesinner said:
1- Anabolic dose of Metribolone is 1mg. And it will make you a yellow cadaver after a few weeks of continuous use.

2- Trenbolone has a slight toxicity, as do ALL anabolic steroids. That's right they are are acutely toxic. Due to the high androgenic ratio, it is more toxic than test, ect.

3- Methoxy Tren is not a tren precursor. It is an active steroid. You'd have a better chance splitting the legs of a celebate than splitting the H3C-O bond. Is your information on it's toxicity based on substantial data, or mere hearsay? I was under the impression that due to the fact that it's much more closely related to trenbase/tren ace than methyltren (look at bond angles) it wasn't so bad on liver values.

Me still love you long time. I'm just not in 100% agreement with what's been said.
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I'm looking for the actual studies themselves on a 'certain "tren" product'. I will continue looking, but yes the methoxy bond at that is 'damaging' to the liver.
 
Bah.. I'm a failure, I cannot find the info I wanted, but it was directed at one particular supp and it's chemical structure... not necessarrily a TRUE tren precursor (as that does NOT exist, despite what people tell you).... so I will have to agree to disagree I guess, cuz I can't prove my point :( :sad:
 
RisingAgainst said:
Bah.. I'm a failure, I cannot find the info I wanted, but it was directed at one particular supp and it's chemical structure... not necessarrily a TRUE tren precursor (as that does NOT exist, despite what people tell you).... so I will have to agree to disagree I guess, cuz I can't prove my point :( :sad:
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hm perhaps finigenx?
 
Tren is great as a transdermal or injectable.. It does carry some pretty lousy sides with it, but if you combine a little test-prop or make a little test base transdermal to go with it you should beable to combat the libido side-effects. test/tren to me is the god of all cycles.. Maybe a little oral for a jumpstart @ the beginning.. Also be prepared for a lengthy PCT.
 
Was it ever decided if trenadrol and Mega-TRN were one and the same... some say trenadrol is a clone of the original methoxy TRN and then others (kilosport reps) claim that its not...

anyone care to shed sum light?
 
RA or sinner or anyone have any studies or anything showing that the methoxy bond causes the liver damage?
 
UNCfan1 said:
RA or sinner or anyone have any studies or anything showing that the methoxy bond causes the liver damage?
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Going off the original Methoxy-TRN writeup ny ALRI, they make a point to say that it's less toxic than a methyl.

As it should, the ether is (1) not alkyl (2) not on the 17a carbon.
 
Movin_weight said:
anyone have an answer to my ?
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It is a clone in that it is an attempt to replicate Methoxy TRN. From what I've gathered, it was not a very successful attempt.


Most superdrol clones are an attempt to replicate Superdrol; however, the lot of them contain a high degree of oxymetholone and other not as fun stuff.
 
thesinner said:
It is a clone in that it is an attempt to replicate Methoxy TRN. From what I've gathered, it was not a very successful attempt.


Most superdrol clones are an attempt to replicate Superdrol; however, the lot of them contain a high degree of oxymetholone and other not as fun stuff.
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Agreed.. I believe the "true" chem nature of it is comparable in terms of effects though.

As far as SD goes.. well... lol what a joke.
 
RisingAgainst said:
Agreed.. I believe the "true" chem nature of it is comparable in terms of effects though.

As far as superdrol goes.. well... lol what a joke.
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Haven't tried Kilo's trenadrol. I hear it's decent.

Superdrol, yeah. It's freaking headache hearing results ranging from "very mild" to "very harsh" to "worse than M1T". But that's neither here nor there.
 
thesinner said:
Haven't tried Kilo's trenadrol. I hear it's decent.

Superdrol, yeah. It's freaking headache hearing results ranging from "very mild" to "very harsh" to "worse than M1T". But that's neither here nor there.
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eh, KS's Tren is worth a shot, it's not 'uber potent'... but pfft, I liked it for the most part, had some high BP, but other than that, good solid run (did it solo for the most part).

err.. I've only ran SNS's SD and it was harsh, but hey. I'm waiting for a 7th gen PH to come out and rock our socks off... this crap available is getting old quick.. to many knock offs, not enough innovation.
 
RisingAgainst said:
eh, KS's Tren is worth a shot, it's not 'uber potent'... but pfft, I liked it for the most part, had some high BP, but other than that, good solid run (did it solo for the most part).

err.. I've only ran SNS's superdrol and it was harsh, but hey. I'm waiting for a 7th gen PH to come out and rock our socks off... this crap available is getting old quick.. to many knock offs, not enough innovation.
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I hear ya, but it's also hard to come out with more and more innovation. The innovative companies are just pulling names off a list (because you damn well know they've known how to make these compounds for the past several years), doing a little research, capping and selling.

I've ran SNS's as well. It was kinda rough.
 
thesinner said:
I hear ya, but it's also hard to come out with more and more innovation. The innovative companies are just pulling names off a list (because you damn well know they've known how to make these compounds for the past several years), doing a little research, capping and selling.

I've ran SNS's as well. It was kinda rough.
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ya... well.. there's options that haven't been explored... well, I shouldn't say explored, but options that haven't been utilized that really need to be to have any progress made in this industry... and on the flipside, there's to many people to stubborn to stray outside of what's "tried and true"... I love how everything, no matter how much it's claiming not to be, is ran by money. ;):head:
 
yeah good points made... i laugh at the people who ran S-drol and try to tell me superdrol is a mild designer, still have found nothing that compares to AX's SD

i'v seen mostly good reviews from trenadrol users so we'll see how my run goes

As for new designers i'd say Epistane/havoc was probly one of the last highly successful prods were going to see... but who knows, somebody may come out an suprise everyone
 
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