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  1. Havoc Help Required Please


    Hello everyone, I was hoping for some advice on RPN's Havoc. Myself and 2 friends have started on it 2 weeks ago and we had a few questions that maybe some of you can answer.

    First of all whats the limit to how long you should really be taking it for? I see some people only taking it for 3 weeks but others taking it for 8 weeks. We were thinking about 6-7 to get a good effect from it.

    Next point is about after the cycle. I have read several posts about this and while I see there are many products available to use during and after a cycle, we opted for what seemed affordable and got 6-oxo. The question is this: once you have completed your post cycle therapy how long is it before you can go back on the havoc? Could I for example use for 6 weeks havoc, 4 weeks 6-oxo and 6 weeks havoc again? Or is that madness?

    Would it help to take the 6-oxo at the same time as the Havoc or would it be ok to introduce it for the final week of Havoc and continue for a further 4 weeks longer?

    We have been wondering about this a lot and would really appreciate it if someone who knows about this could help. Thanks!

    By the way we are supplementing with milk thistle, strong multi vitamins and omega oils if thats any help.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gabber View Post
    Hello everyone, I was hoping for some advice on RPN's Havoc. Myself and 2 friends have started on it 2 weeks ago and we had a few questions that maybe some of you can answer.

    First of all whats the limit to how long you should really be taking it for? I see some people only taking it for 3 weeks but others taking it for 8 weeks. We were thinking about 6-7 to get a good effect from it.

    Next point is about after the cycle. I have read several posts about this and while I see there are many products available to use during and after a cycle, we opted for what seemed affordable and got 6-oxo. The question is this: once you have completed your post cycle therapy how long is it before you can go back on the havoc? Could I for example use for 6 weeks havoc, 4 weeks 6-oxo and 6 weeks havoc again? Or is that madness?

    Would it help to take the 6-oxo at the same time as the Havoc or would it be ok to introduce it for the final week of Havoc and continue for a further 4 weeks longer?

    We have been wondering about this a lot and would really appreciate it if someone who knows about this could help. Thanks!

    By the way we are supplementing with milk thistle, strong multi vitamins and omega oils if thats any help.
    personally i wouldn't use 6oxo as a pct! that is not a smart thing to do, find a serm that should always be the first part of a pct! also 6-8 weeks is a long time. you will have a major shutdown. 4 weeks is long enough, you will get alot out of a 4 week cycle. If yu want to be safe with your body spend the money or dont do a ph.!

    oh and if you dont like my words heres a thread that you can trust even more read this and take a look. No Excuses & No ***** ***: A Stupid People's Guide to PCT
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  3. Thanks Grila thats really useful reading that. I hadn't heard of that before; I just saw lots of people bigging up 6-oxo. I did like your words; honesty is more important to me here than anything else.

    I did however pick up from that post that I'm not going to be able to get hold of any SERMs as they are prescribed so I guess I will follow your advice and go 4 weeks. Will the 6-oxo do me any good at all then or have I wasted my money? Whats it for if it isn't for regulating your levels? Thats the impression I got of what it did from the website.

    Any more comments and help greatly appreciated! Thanks.

  4. dude no offence

    but you should do alot more research before you consider doing anything hormonal like havoc
    because you obviously dont really have a clue

    first of all you NEED a SERM for pct
    its mandatory for keeping your rebound estrogen out of your receptors while trying to get your hormone levls back to normal during pct so you dont gt gyno

    for havoc you should just do a 4 week cycle
    6 oxo is a waste of money it does boost your testosterone but it almost totally antagonizes estrogen which you dont want
    you always want a small amount of estrogen
    or you will have weak joints and such

    also havoc is methylated so you will need more liver protectors then just milk thistle

    and for pct
    you will need a serm
    an AI
    an anticortisol
    and a testo booster
    along with other cycle support supps

    im not trying to be a **** or whatever
    but havoc is a designer steroid
    and you need to do alot of reasearch so you actually know what your putting into your body
    and know how to counteract these side effects

    because you can screw up your liver
    your endocrine system
    etc
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    Quote Originally Posted by anabolicloc View Post
    dude no offence

    but you should do alot more research before you consider doing anything hormonal like havoc
    because you obviously dont really have a clue

    first of all you NEED a SERM for post cycle therapy
    its mandatory for keeping your rebound estrogen out of your receptors while trying to get your hormone levls back to normal during post cycle therapy so you dont gt gyno

    for havoc you should just do a 4 week cycle
    6 oxo is a waste of money it does boost your testosterone but it almost totally antagonizes estrogen which you dont want
    you always want a small amount of estrogen
    or you will have weak joints and such

    also havoc is methylated so you will need more liver protectors then just milk thistle

    and for post cycle therapy
    you will need a serm
    an AI
    an anticortisol
    and a testo booster
    along with other cycle support supps

    im not trying to be a **** or whatever
    but havoc is a designer steroid
    and you need to do alot of reasearch so you actually know what your putting into your body
    and know how to counteract these side effects

    because you can screw up your liver
    your endocrine system
    etc
    exactly what i said! good post! brah there r ways to get serms aka"black market" try doing a search for them on line. as far as the rest of the things you need you can find them anywhere here and usually there r specials. 6oxo is a good AI and thats about it. by the way (not trying to be a ****, just trying to be helpful) liver support is without a doubt needed with any roid, ph,ps that is methylated. so if it says 71 methyl u need to help the liver out. 2 faves are cycle support and liverlonger. they will save you. well bro np im just trying to help you !
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  6. Thanks guys I really appreciate the advice. I did a lot of research but obviously not enough. People just weren't asking these basic questions. You really seem to know what you are talking about so I can really take the advice seriously

    With regards to one of my original questions, can you go back on to something like havoc after lets say 4-8 weeks off? Does it need to be left longer? What I'm trying to get at is whether the PCT is enough on its own or do you need some more weeks with no supplements in your system to get yourself back to normal.

    I will try and get hold of some of that liver longer. It sounds like the ticket. Cheers.

  7. Just a thought - if the 6-oxo raises test (which we do want) and antagonises estrogen (which we don't want) then would something like tribulus be a good idea? Or is it going to have a similar result? I was just thinking of introducing it at the end of the cycle as I really don't think we are going to be able to get hold of the SERMs that you have recommended. I accept that its not going to be as good but its probably better than nothing.

    Thanks for your patience in answering these questions.

  8. Try Advanced PCT by Anabolic Xtreme,

    http://www.nutraplanet.com/product/8...anced-pct.html

    If you can't find a SERM it would be your best option.

  9. Quote Originally Posted by T-Bone View Post
    Try Advanced post cycle therapy by Anabolic Xtreme,

    http://www.nutraplanet.com/product/8...e therapy.html

    If you can't find a SERM it would be your best option.
    Except that they alreadt have 6-OXO and they shouldn't combine it with this product because it already contains 6-Bromo.

  10. Quote Originally Posted by yeahright View Post
    Except that they alreadt have 6-OXO and they shouldn't combine it with this product because it already contains 6-Bromo.
    Yep, oh well I guess they can save the 6OXO for another use.

  11. You can find serms if you do a google search. Type in research chems and look for tamoxifen citrate aka nolvadex. You will find plenty of places that sell it. Do yourself a big favor and pick some up. As for your question about the length of time to wait until you do another cycle the the formula is time on + time on pct= time off. so a 4 week cycle plus 4 week pct = 8 weeks off before another cycle.
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    Once again thanks everyone for the quick answers and superb advice. I will check that all out online now and save that 6-oxo for another time altogether as suggested.

  13. seriously though man
    just do alot more research like alot
    you need to know aboslutely everything about it
    so you know how to deal with certain situations during cycle and off
    just dont want to see another guy **** himself up
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    I'm very keen to learn, I just thought I knew enough but clearly didn't. I want to try that Advanced PCT with Liver Longer. I only really got the Havoc cos I was buying something readily available that seemed to have low sides and good results. While researching SERMs earlier I was a little put off to say the least and I don't want to put more stuff into my body that I know very little about. That may sound stupid but the Advanced PCT product is a lot more attractive to me even though i know its not going to work quite as well.

    Assuming I complete a 4-week course of Havoc, do I just start the PCT the very next day or would some people start the course a few days before the end of the Havoc cycle (to ease off it gradually)?

    Once again I'm very grateful for your help in this matter.

  15. you need a serm man
    to control rebound estrogen and to boost low testo after a cycle
    search google
    you will find a way to get one

    and reguards to when you start your pct
    the day after your last dose of havoc

  16. I found it pretty cheap. How safe is it to use? The 3 of us are unsure about them but would appreciate some reassurance on the matter. I see there is generic nolvadex and brand name nolvadex. Does it matter which one? They seem identical. Am I to assume its 10mg a day for 4-8 weeks?

    Could I just ask if I stick to the advice given here do I have anything else to look out for? I'm hoping to have hormone levels in check and liver looked after. Going to start the PCT as soon as havoc finishes and allow twice as long as the course lasted before I consider started another one.

    Thanks again!

  17. just searcj nolvadex on google or on here
    you will lots of info on it
    and proper doses of it

  18. Quote Originally Posted by gabber View Post
    Hello everyone, I was hoping for some advice on RPN's Havoc. Myself and 2 friends have started on it 2 weeks ago and we had a few questions that maybe some of you can answer.

    First of all whats the limit to how long you should really be taking it for? I see some people only taking it for 3 weeks but others taking it for 8 weeks. We were thinking about 6-7 to get a good effect from it.

    Next point is about after the cycle. I have read several posts about this and while I see there are many products available to use during and after a cycle, we opted for what seemed affordable and got 6-oxo. The question is this: once you have completed your post cycle therapy how long is it before you can go back on the havoc? Could I for example use for 6 weeks havoc, 4 weeks 6-oxo and 6 weeks havoc again? Or is that madness?

    Would it help to take the 6-oxo at the same time as the Havoc or would it be ok to introduce it for the final week of Havoc and continue for a further 4 weeks longer?

    We have been wondering about this a lot and would really appreciate it if someone who knows about this could help. Thanks!

    By the way we are supplementing with milk thistle, strong multi vitamins and omega oils if thats any help.

    i hate you

  19. Quote Originally Posted by gabber View Post
    I found it pretty cheap. How safe is it to use? The 3 of us are unsure about them but would appreciate some reassurance on the matter. I see there is generic nolvadex and brand name nolvadex. Does it matter which one? They seem identical. Am I to assume its 10mg a day for 4-8 weeks?

    Could I just ask if I stick to the advice given here do I have anything else to look out for? I'm hoping to have hormone levels in check and liver looked after. Going to start the post cycle therapy as soon as havoc finishes and allow twice as long as the course lasted before I consider started another one.

    Thanks again!

    nolvadex= tamoxifen citrate

    you are going to be buying the research chemical tamoxifen citratre, if you do things correctly

    post cycle therapy-
    40mgs a day for a week
    20mgs a day for a week
    20mgs a day for a week
    10mgs a day for a week

    LOW dose 6-oxo throughout or you can finish up with a 5th week of 6 oxo after the tamoxifen is done

  20. man must be a bunch of teenagers....totally clueless. take 30 caps of havoc for 3 days and youll be set!

  21. Quote Originally Posted by pistonpump View Post
    man must be a bunch of teenagers....totally clueless. take 30 caps of havoc for 3 days and youll be set!
    hahahaha
    plus its good to stack with alcohol
    if alcohol is added gains increase by atleast 10lbs

  22. Quote Originally Posted by pistonpump View Post
    man must be a bunch of teenagers....totally clueless. take 30 caps of havoc for 3 days and youll be set!
    Don't do that.

  23. oh btw
    im joking
    dont drink while on a methyl

  24. its just irratating when people ask for advice, then get good advice, are told to research, yet come back with the same crap and ask the most elementary questions showing no real self motivation or seriousness of using steroidal products, get a clue. I feel like killing someone! almost unreal, like he's a some sort of well mannered good grammar speaking troll trying to disguise itself.

    Im sorry im a little stressed.
    Last edited by pistonpump; 06-04-2007 at 09:34 AM. Reason: feel like an a$$

  25. Look, if you haven't got anything nice to say don't say anything. I don't mind people being honest if they are being constructive. You don't have to be a teenager to be new to Havoc or similar products and I'm not one plus I don't drink at all. I know you are stressed but don't take it out on someone else. As for me asking basic questions - if more people like me were asking the basic questions then less people like me would be using products like Havoc incorrectly. I believe that there is no such thing as a stupid question, only the ones that are not asked.

    Moving on to what I had got to say for today. The basic fact that this SERM is illegal is enough to put me off on its own. The Havoc seemed like a good idea as its a powerful product with low sides and is legal (if only for a while). I have taken your advice on board but I really don't want to go down the road of illegal drugs (even if they are good for you). I'm going to ditch the Havoc altogether and go for something a bit safer in future.
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    By the way, Jomi, thanks for that info there. It was exactly what I needed to know from last night.

  27. Quote Originally Posted by gabber View Post
    I found it pretty cheap. How safe is it to use? The 3 of us are unsure about them but would appreciate some reassurance on the matter. I see there is generic nolvadex and brand name nolvadex. Does it matter which one? They seem identical. Am I to assume its 10mg a day for 4-8 weeks?

    Could I just ask if I stick to the advice given here do I have anything else to look out for? I'm hoping to have hormone levels in check and liver looked after. Going to start the post cycle therapy as soon as havoc finishes and allow twice as long as the course lasted before I consider started another one.

    Thanks again!
    Yes, follow the advice that's already given.
    But there can be some issues to look out for with nolvadex.
    I think the main one would be if you start having vision problems, like blurred sight, then it's advisable to discontinue it because it might lead to permanent eye damage. Not everyone will be affected like this, but it's something to be aware of. If this ends up being the case you'll need to look into a different SERM.

  28. Thanks for that warning if I do change my mind and go for the SERM that would be useful to know. I read abot that on a few sites yesterday but wasn't sure how common it was.

  29. Quote Originally Posted by gabber View Post
    Look, if you haven't got anything nice to say don't say anything. I don't mind people being honest if they are being constructive. You don't have to be a teenager to be new to Havoc or similar products and I'm not one plus I don't drink at all. I know you are stressed but don't take it out on someone else. As for me asking basic questions - if more people like me were asking the basic questions then less people like me would be using products like Havoc incorrectly. I believe that there is no such thing as a stupid question, only the ones that are not asked.

    Moving on to what I had got to say for today. The basic fact that this SERM is illegal is enough to put me off on its own. The Havoc seemed like a good idea as its a powerful product with low sides and is legal (if only for a while). I have taken your advice on board but I really don't want to go down the road of illegal drugs (even if they are good for you). I'm going to ditch the Havoc altogether and go for something a bit safer in future.
    listen dude....

    tamoxifen isnt a class 3 scheduled substance like steroids.

    its a major gray area if you are "caught" with a "research chemical". the most a police officer would or could do is take it from you. and to be honest he probably wouldnt even be inclined to do that, if he even realized what it was.

    if you dont get tamoxifen, you are taking an enormous risk. you NEED a SERM. the aromtase only post cycle therapies always seem to end up not working in one way or the other.

    dont be stupid

  30. Please be very clear that you are taking a product that will affect your hormone levels. The same hormones that control many bodily processes. You like living and living well??? Study, research and follow Good advice

    Guide to Post Cycle Therapy(P.C.T)
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