1-test cycle length

[Kitchen Chemist]

Why is it that the reccomended cycle length is 4 weeks when results from the 1-test only show from week 3 or 4 on. I think we should look at our recommendations once again, i think the preffered cycle length thread started a while ago, had a great deal of follow the leader influence and everyone just posted that they prefer 4 weekers apposed to anything different as that's what they hear was better. The weight gains people were noticing earlier was probably just the water weight from the 4-ad. Someone slap me if i'm totally wrong here

[Alpha Dog]

I believe much if it came from feeback way back at bb.com. Most people reported that the gains decreased after the fourth week.

[Kitchen Chemist]

So they only start week 3 and end at week 4? 1-test would be deemed useless in my opinion then. I don't know, both times i used it i wasn't as aware of how hormones worked then i am now. I gained weight and strength but didn't really pay attention to which day i started gaining more or less etc.

[jminis]

KC, I was thinking about the same thing a while back. It always seemed odd to me that there is really just a 1 and half to two weeks of usefullness. I just finished a cycle of it for 4 weeks and was planning on going another 2 or 3 but I chose to finish it because I wanted to shorten the time of off before my next cycle. I think my next cycle I will run it longer to experiment with results. later J

[Iron Warrior]

Are any of you guys aware of someones feedback with 6 or 8 weeks of 1-Test, I was kind of curious myself like you KC since I've seen many people run Fina for 8 weeks and liked it

[Kitchen Chemist]

To be honest, i'm never planning on using 1-test again but when answering peoples questions and such, it all information relayed from one guy passed on to another to another. What if were giving the wrong info to begin with is all i'm getting at. In this case i think we very well may be, but i can't base this on real life experience as i'm not going to use it again.

[Alpha Dog]

Originally posted by Kitchen Chemist
So they only start week 3 and end at week 4? 1-test would be deemed useless in my opinion then. I don't know, both times i used it i wasn't as aware of how hormones worked then i am now. I gained weight and strength but didn't really pay attention to which day i started gaining more or less etc.

I don't believe it takes 3 weeks for 1-test to kick in. For me, it was about 5 days. In fact, I ran a number of two week cycles with relatively good results.

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showth...ighlight=avant

[mauibuilt]

as far as 1test, my gains didn't appear till week 3 as well. i ran the cycle for 32 days, thats how long the bottle lasted and gains kept ocming....

i think 4 weeks is reccommended, just because benefits vs. costs decreases

longer=more test shutdown, more $$$, more side effects

[BUFF STUFF]

Originally posted by Kitchen Chemist
To be honest, i'm never planning on using 1-test again but when

why is that KC ?

[SCORPIO]

Godd observations above. I think it's all up to the individual. I've done a 6wk 4ad only (oral)....if I recall corectly....it was my first cycle...it may have been 5wks??? I've even heard of people doing 8wk cycles. Anyway, I think most people prefer to do a medium length cycle so they won't have to take such a long 'off' or recovery period. This allows for more cycles in a years time. I think 6wks is a good cycle length, but then again as mentioned above $$$, natty test shut down and sides are an issue. A few more weeks may or may not give us a few more lbs. If you got the $$$ go for a longer cycle, just expect a longer recovery period. With the meds available today I really don't see a problem with doing a longer cycle.

[Chemo]

When those recommendations were being developed there were several factors that were considered. First, we looked at gains and the rate of gain. The actual feedback was diminished gains after 4-6 weeks. Second, we looked at recovery time. We were dealing with a unique situation in that for the first time there were effective products and nothing for post cycle except ZMA and high caloric intake for post cycle. We reasoned that the best middle ground would be 4 weeks as it would have very good gains and the fastest recovery based on ZMA for post cycle. Obviously, the scene has changed in the past year and there are effective options for recovery.

IMO, we should revisit the 4 week cycle recommendation and extend it to 6 or 8 weeks for those that have access to liquid solutions and keep it at 4 for those that prefer 6-oxo.

Chemo

[Chemo]

BTW, good post KC...

Chemo

[Kitchen Chemist]

Originally posted by BUFF STUFF


why is that KC ?

1-test was hard on my hair, on my current cycle of test eq and d-bol i noticed no loss what so ever. I won't touch winny or tren for that reason either.

[Kitchen Chemist]

Originally posted by Chemo
IMO, we should revisit the 4 week cycle recommendation and extend it to 6 or 8 weeks for those that have access to liquid solutions and keep it at 4 for those that prefer 6-oxo.

Chemo

I totally agree, I think people should opt for either t1 pro and run it 6-8 weeks depending on how many cycles they've done (for dosages wise not cycle length) or three to four bottles of t1 final and run each bottle for two weeks. I have been thinking about this since back when curt2go was talking about frontloading 1-test. The fact that people want to get more cycles in a year is fine but why not do fewer more quality cycles? You could get three full cycles in a year and say you put on and keep 8-10 lean pounds each one, that's a lot of weight to accumulate over a year

[Kitchen Chemist]

Bump for more opinions!

[db682]

KC,

I think people should opt for either t1 pro and run it 6-8 weeks depending on how many cycles they've done (for dosages wise not cycle length)

At six week cycles what are you thinking along the lines of dosages for best results?

OK, From the couple threads that ive just read about results from 1-test and more precisely T-1 pro, its mostly taking individuals who are on a low to moderate dosing schedule about 3-4 weeks before results become appearent. For individuals like myself, bow and a couple others who have and are extremely heavy dosers, results are appearing within a couple days (approximatley 5-8). Now if Im taking heavy doses and the results are greater at the start of the cycle (1st 2 weeks) then the end of it(last 2 to 4 weeks) (say on a 4 or 6 week cycle) could a tolerance level be associated with the result leveling? Im thinking that its taking those dosing low levels to become tolerante much longer then those dosing higher levels and therefore if you were to effectively figure out (by keeping logs) when you tolerance was getting to a point where you are no longer achieving maximum benefical gains that the dosages could be steped up to overcome this problem. I know changing doses during a cycle is probably not a good idea, but Ive yet to hear reasons to support why It should not be done (will estro levelsshoot sky high by doubleing during a cycle) . I know lethargy will definatly be a factor if you were to raise dosing but it could be counter acted. The upping of the dose would definatly have to be on a large scale for results to be as great as the prior dose.

****ing theory, Its hard as hell to explain. I read about it in a medical journal that either my wife brought home from work (the hospital) or from a class in school.
Give me a little time and ill try and get some supporting info.

db

[jminis]

KC I agree with you, 6-8 weeks should be the the recomondation nowadays. Although I understand if some want to keep it to 4 weeks so recovery time is shorter but like you said quality over quantity. Overall I think it's up to the person, but I'm really interested in hearing some feedback from anyone who's done a 6-8 week cycle. I'd like to find out their gains at 4 weeks then at weeks 6-8 and compare the difference if any. Also compare gains kept by those on a 4 week cycle and those in a 6-8 week. Basically what I'm looking for is whether or not it's worth it to extend the cycle. Is it worth the extended shutdown time? Later J

[mauibuilt]

i will be doing a 6 week cycle soon of 300mg 1test 300mg 4ad a day, i will create a cycle log and keep everyone updated with before and after pics

[jminis]

Sounds good keep us posted. Really focus on weeks 4-6 if you can. I'm sure there has to be positive benefits to a longer cycle but I'll be damned if applying that **** doesn't get annoying. At about 4 weeks I've had enough, but if the if the results are there I would def do a 6-8weeker. Good luck, Later J

[jweave23]

After doing several 4 week cycles and a 8 week cycle of 1-test I can say that I MUCH prefer longer cycles of 6-8 weeks. It gives you enough time to realize all of your gains (or losses for cutting) and, as said above, with proper post cycle therapy you'll bounce back fine usually.