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  1. No severe changes, gained about 5 lbs. No bloating or anything like that. You have to consider that weighing only 213 to start and gaining 4 reps in 5 weeks of 315lbs bench is a big deal. My 3 rep weight of 365 is almost my 5 rep weight (I need a little help on the fifth rep) To me anything more gained in that short of time would be from something like injected testosterone. I've been at a plateau on benching that weight for months now. This cycle has helped me push that old weight aside.
    Last edited by Big D; 07-16-2003 at 02:10 AM.


  2. Well I hate jumping in on this for fear of being crucified because I'm a relative Newbie but I am now working on my 6th week of Transdermal 1-Test. Results? No real strength loss /or gain but my calories are down.....I am definitely looking leaner......not what I want but getting there. Now my point is going to be this.....I've taken various medications over time and let's consider this:When a Dr. prescribes you say an antibiotics for symptoms of whatever ailment.....you take them as prescribed right? Usually it comes with the FINISH ALL THIS MEDICATION unless.......blah...blah.... 9 out of 10 times I don't have to finish the stuff before I am "healed" and other things start happening.....like a case of the "Hershey Squirts" Any body else following me? So what I mean is one's own body will generally guide you into when you should stop....BUT you have to be listening.....right now in my 6th week will be complete by Saturday but I am begining to experience mild acne and I am generally cleared skinned so that tells me I better be winding down.
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  3. I imagine you guys have got to be peeling like bananas in a monkey cage.
    Im only on my 2nd week and Im running out of places to apply that arent already peeling. All be it, I am going with some intense dosages and I normally keep a good tan since I live on the beach so I figured it might be just the tanned skin peeling because of the DSMO.

    db

  4. Did you guys add DSMO to the bottle on top of what was already in it? I tried that once with regular T1 and into the 2nd week, I broke out in an almost poison ivy like rash. I don't add any DMSO anymore. Part of the problem is the fact that I have sensitive skin that just can't handle it (you can see this in my very white pic)

  5. It doesnt come with any in it.

    Its optional, For in case of any accidental spillages.

    Yeah, It just about causes it on everyone I talked to and myself, But if you circulate the application areas it should be alright unless your that sensitive.

    If I notice and irratation I just dont apply if there until its gone.

    db
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  6. Yeah, I had rashes where I normally get heat rashes, in the bends of the elbow and just below my neck, so it does irritate it, but as pointed out before, just don't apply it there. I quit applying and put some hydrocortisone in those areas with the rash and they were gone. I don't think (I haven't heard) of anyone having a true allergic reaction (meaning you would break out alot and it wouldn't matter where you applied it, if it is in your blood stream) to 1-test, so these are just skin irritations that can be taken care of. Not really a big deal, IMO.

  7. i ran 1test for longer than 8 once, i ran it for like 9-10 weeks i believe. at hardcore dosage. But i had liquid clomid/nolva combo as well as 6-oxo for post cycle recovery

  8. Originally posted by MakaveliThaDon
    i ran 1test for longer than 8 once, i ran it for like 9-10 weeks i believe. at hardcore dosage. But i had liquid clomid/nolva combo as well as 6-oxo for post cycle recovery
     

    What were your gains and when did they stop?

  9. Bump on Npursuits question.

    9-10 weeks!!!

    How were the side effects as well?
    Did you run Clomid, Nolva and 6oxo all post?

    Post more infor please.
    This is a very touchy issue everyones trying to work on.

    db

  10. wow, didn't realize this was such a popular subject. I used it to maintain lean mass whilst cutting. I happened to have gotten some liquid clen/t3, and wanted to do 3 weeks of it. So i kept using the 1test for a few more weeks so i could get the 3 weeks of clen/t3 in.

    And yes, i ran the liquid clomid/nolva and 6-oxo all post. My nads were back in a week, and it's been about 3 and a half weeks total of recovery since i been off it, still using all 3 post cycle meds.

    My gains were awesome of course. They NEVER stopped, i swear they kept going, those last 3 weeks with the clen/t3 were very very good. I haven't gotten any weaker in any of my workouts in the last 3 and a half weeks off either. I was a little hesitant to run it another few weeks, but i figured what the hell, people run there test prop and **** when they juice for 11 weeks, and i got the clomid/nolva which should be sufficient to bounce me back.

    any other questions?



    PEACE

  11. Originally posted by MakaveliThaDon
    wow, didn't realize this was such a popular subject. I used it to maintain lean mass whilst cutting. I happened to have gotten some liquid clen/t3, and wanted to do 3 weeks of it. So i kept using the 1test for a few more weeks so i could get the 3 weeks of clen/t3 in.

    And yes, i ran the liquid clomid/nolva and 6-oxo all post. My nads were back in a week, and it's been about 3 and a half weeks total of recovery since i been off it, still using all 3 post cycle meds.

    My gains were awesome of course. They NEVER stopped, i swear they kept going, those last 3 weeks with the clen/t3 were very very good. I haven't gotten any weaker in any of my workouts in the last 3 and a half weeks off either. I was a little hesitant to run it another few weeks, but i figured what the hell, people run there test prop and **** when they juice for 11 weeks, and i got the clomid/nolva which should be sufficient to bounce me back.

    any other questions?



    PEACE
     

    Excellent.  I would love to get Chemo in on this thread to get his input.  I may try an 8 weeker next.

    Anyone else out there run 1-Test longer than 4-6 weeks?  Get in here.

  12. Im on my second week right now and Im debating if I should run 6 or 8 weeks total. I was only planning on 4 but we'll see.

    Don,
    Post your pre and post stats.
    And your dosages as well.
    thanks,
    db

  13. i didn't measure pre and post stats. dropped about 10 pounds probably, and a couple bf percentages that's for sure. I ran it 6 squirts twice daily the whole time until i got to the last 3 weeks where i threw in the clen/t3, i then upped it to 5 squirts twice daily for the last 3 weeks

  14. this is avant labs one, btw

  15. Hate to say it but someone needs to.
    One sucks, One+ still sucks.
    That stuff is so low in 1-test that its almost a joke. The full bottle only has 2.5 gms of 1-test in it. Im talking more along the line of T-1 pro or even T-1 final.
    Im glad to here of your gains and stuff but I think Im more concerned about side effects of higher 1-Test dosages.

    You should really give BDC's line a try if you were happy with One. Youll be happy you did!

    db

  16. I was under the assumption it was T1 Pro as well when you said hardcore dosing. Either way though it's still something that should be looked at. Maybe I'll be the first to try it. It will be a couple of months though.
    Last edited by NPursuit; 07-17-2003 at 08:59 AM.

  17. LOL, well, i could of used 1ad, haha. Anyways, bdc was recommeneded to me by another bro of mine. I'm definitely gonna have to check it out on my next ph cycle, which won't be for a while, i wanna take 8 weeks off after that to fully recover

  18. btw, i think the full bottle has 6 grams of 1test in it

  19. Pursuit,
    What??? Im confused on your post.

    Don,
    Didnt mean to offend you if I did. Im talking product though. I definitly think youll be extremly happy about the T-1 line. And yeah I dont blame you for wanting to take a break for a while. 9 weeks is a hell of a cycle.
    And yeah, My bad again. I didnt know you were talking Super One+. its 6gs per bottle. more comparable.
    Later bro,
    db

    And glad to see you just joined. Theres a **** load of info in these threads and with a little research you can pretty much get any question answered.

  20. Originally posted by db682
    Pursuit,
    What??? Im confused on your post.
    LOL I see why.  I meant to say I was under the assumption he was using T1 Pro.  That post was past my bed time.

  21. I thought you meant something like that but my natural slowness did not allow me to assume beyond the bad wording.

  22. Originally posted by Kitchen Chemist


    1-test was hard on my hair, on my current cycle of test eq and d-bol i noticed no loss what so ever. I won't touch winny or tren for that reason either.
    What doses and length of time were you using the 1-test for when you noticed the hair loss?

    I am balding and was considering using 1-test alone at 300 mg per day for 3 weeks - with lots of 5% topical spiro and even retin-a cream to attempt to protect my hair.

    Thinks it's not wise for me to use 1-test in this manner?

  23. On august 18th I plan to start a cutting cycle and use t1 pro for 6 weeks. We'll see what happens.
  24. PC1
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    Cycle Length


    I just finished an 8 week homebrew cycle this past Wednesday (7/24) using 1-test and 4-ad. I talked about this when I began the cycle under the recipe thread. I used the homebrew recipe posted there by chemo/curt2go, 240 ml bottle, 8 grams each of 1 test and 4 AD, applying 5cc's three times a day, here are my personal observations for what that's worth:

    1. At that dosage level, I began experiencing results in about 3 days..... increased pump and energy/vitality during my workout. That's faster than AS start to work. And while gains overall are not directly comparable with what I used to get with AS, it is still VERY POTENT stuff. Nothing else over the counter even comes close. I have obtained excellent, high quality, lean muscle mass with minimal extra water weight. I've weighed 250 pounds before, but never of this quality;

    2. 95% of my size/weight gains were achieved by weeks 6-7. However, I achieved a personal (non AS) strength record bench press during week 8. I do attribute this in large part to having begun to take creatine during week 7. Creatine/PH's for me are a very effective combination for both size and strength. My reasoning for not taking creatine sooner in my cycle is that I'm "saving" it for post cycle, hoping to retain more size and strength post cycle. I would still advocate an 8 week cycle though, just for the "muscle memory" benefit of being larger/stronger for a longer period of time. That gain level just cannot be achieved in 2 or 3 weeks time;

    3. No hair loss for me. Interesting, because about a year ago I did an oral cycle utilizing BSN's 1-Testabolin (an oral, etherized 1-test product I rate highly) and AST's 4-diol products. I did lose some hair there, and expected to here, but no;

    4. A touch of acne on the back, and a bit on the face. For your back guys, get yourself a long handled, soft bristle scrub brush and shower and scrub twice a day. For your face, wash twice a day with Noxzema. That should do it for most guys, unless you get a severe case of it.

    5. In terms of testicular shrinkage, I'd say I lost about 20-25% of size and some firmness. Post cycle, I'm taking Nolva for 30 days. Never tried Nolva before, but have read about it's superiority compared to 6-oxo and Clomid. 6-oxo and zma have worked well for me in the past though, and within a couple of weeks time, testicles rebounded to 100% size and firmness;

    6. At this level of dosing, the lethargy was almost unbearable, frankly. Talk about a lazy couch potato! The 4-AD helps tremendously with sexual performance, but in terms of combating the mental lethargy I experienced from 1-test, it did nothing. The only "fix" was to get an extra 1-2 hours of sleep each night, sneek in naps where possible, and double or triple the amount of black coffee I consumed. I also took some ephedra at times. I hate this aspect of 1-test frankly, but anabolically speaking, it is very good stuff for being "legal" for now;

    7. In terms of strength gains, they were quite good. You'll note in my personal avatar, the scar on my right pec, a complete pec major avulsion (meaning I tore the tendon that connects my pec to my upper arm bone...... right off the bone in September 2002). While I can't provide you with a good A/B comparison due to my injury, suffice it to say that I'm now 10 months post corrective surgery, and I have well surpassed the strength level I was at when I tore it. I consider that to be a very good accomplishment for a guy over 40. And no, I don't do single rep maxes any more, the fewest reps I'll do on any exercise now is 4 reps. But you should understand that when I tore it, I couldn't bench 10 pounds afterwards. It is a very serious tendon injury.

    8. You DEFINATELY want to get yourselves a box of rubber gloves to put this stuff on guys. It does NOT wash off your hands well at all. The first week or 2 I put it on with bare hands, and at some point rubbed my eye.......YEEEEEOWWW! I mean for 10 minutes I couldn't open my eye. I won't go into details about the difficulties you will have being intimate with your wife/girlfriend if you have any 1-test residue on your hands or elsewhere........

    9. Plan on having gum or breath mints on hand at all times taking this much dmso. Your breath is going to have that sour milk/garlic stench unless you do. The lemonene smells nice on your skin but doesn't kill the breath. My kids were always telling me I smelled like "corn".

    10. One other very interesting side from this is that it KILLED pain I get in my left ("good"?) a/c joint...... arthritis from years of bench pressing/military pressing. I'm actually going to have that fixed surgically next month, although that's minor in comparison to the pec tear. I asked my doctor about it, he indicated androgens are only a few carbon's away from cortocosteroids like cortisone, and that they probably give anti inflammatory pain relief if you have some arthritis as I do. When these PH's are out of my system, I'm sure the pain will resume. Normally, bench pressing without any Ibuprofen feels like a nail is being driven through that a/c joint. It's a bitch getting old guys.....

    11. On many applications but not all, once the first application dried, I put on a second application of the homebrew WITHOUT any PH's added, to try to increase absorption. And once that dried, I would finally apply a mixture of aloe and vitamin E oil to the same area. Aside from even better absorption, it also helped my skin tremendously. As a result, I had no rash, and only a touch of dry skin. For me, it was easiest on my skin to apply it to my thighs, hamstrings, calves, shins, and tops of feet. Other body parts, even with aloe and vitamin E oil, did not tolerate the dmso very well. While this all sounds like a lot more work, do it in stages while you're dressing/shaving/bathing/drying off during the day. I did notice less residue on my skin when applying this way and I'm quite certain I enjoyed better absorption because of it.



    Final Comment: I'm not anybody's "bodybuilder", nor am I any guru on training, PH's, AS, or diet. But I am 43 and have over 20 years experience with this stuff. In spite of what anyone else may say, if you can't naturally build your physique to the level you've attained on PH or AS, you are not going to keep that level post cycle. 6-oxo, Nolva, Clomid, ZMA, etc., will help to get our own testosterone supply flowing again post cycle, so that we don't "crash" post cycle (meaning that it took SO long for our own supply to begin flowing again that we're actually SMALLER and WEAKER post cycle than pre-cycle). I have crashed in the past, so I know how awful this can be. Our own strength and mass levels are determined by our genetics, including natural hormone levels. At some point well past "post cycle", after the AS, PH's and post cycle ancillaries have left our bodies, our endocrine systems return to our "normal" range. And while we can improve upon that slightly by training and eating, in the end we are products of our own genetics. That's fine. because most people don't work out anyway. And for we who do, we are almost "gods" in their eyes. I'm only saying this here because I think that doing 2 or 3 week cycles is, frankly, pointless. By the time the results you're achieving become "noticeable" to anyone else, you're getting off the stuff. in another 2 or 3 weeks time, your endocrine system has NOT returned to a normal state, but voila, you're starting another 2 or 3 week cycle. C'mon guys, what's the point?

    If you're going to do this, then DO it. With a 6-8 week cycle, your gains will be obvious to everyone. Take your post cycle ancillaries so you don't crash. Plan your cycles around your calendar year as you need/want to. Expect to be bigger and stronger when on, expect to shrink at least somewhat, be less hard, and less strong afterwards no matter WHAT you do or take....... expectations need to be ratcheted up and down accordingly so you DON't INJURE YOURSELF!! More volume and intensity on, less off. You'll know when to adjust up and down because your body will be telling you....... just listen to it. Cycle training, diet, etc. Once you've been post cycle for 2 or 3 months, and your endocrine system is back to "normal" you can always focus your efforts on aerobic conditioning if you have that as a goal. Then again, there's always your education, career, spouse, girlfriend/boyfriend. Everything in cycles guys.

    But forget about 2 or 3 week cycles. That's fence sitting. Get on one side of that fence or the other.

    Good luck, be well, train well.

    PC1
    Last edited by PC1; 07-26-2003 at 04:23 PM.

  25. Great post PC1! So you don't recommend any cardio at all until several several months post cycle? None at all while on, up until 2-3 months post cycle?
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